Alex Scott

Fernandes, Scott, Mainoo + Ederson would be a good trio + backup, all of a sudden you would have too little gametime for all of them, but we really need to step our game in midfield, and snatching all of three would be awesome. Probably Hackney will be cheaper than Scott though and more creative than the rest in Bruno's absence but Scott is an interesting prospect which will cost like Anderson near the end of the next season. I'd bet he's 60m player anyway now.
I'm assuming you mean Mateus Fernandes and not Bruno? Bruno is 100% going to take one of the three midfield positions (the advanced one, playing closer to the striker), which means there's only room for two of those other four (M Fernandes, Scott, Mainoo, Ederson) I'm not sure what the best combination is with who best plays with whom, but all four of those will want to be starting every game as the first choice. Which one do you drop? Out of those, most likely Ederson as he seems like the best fit for the rotational role.

Competition is not a bad thing and it'll cause them to raise their game. At the same time, MF, Scott and Mainoo are all 21/22, so there's an element of them all still learning their trade and needing games and consistency to develop. All exciting players and I'd love to see them all at the club, but it would give us a few headaches of a different kind.

I can't see us going for Scott anyway. The idea of him following Iraola to Liverpool just seems really obvious.
 
I'm assuming you mean Mateus Fernandes and not Bruno? Bruno is 100% going to take one of the three midfield positions (the advanced one, playing closer to the striker), which means there's only room for two of those other four (M Fernandes, Scott, Mainoo, Ederson) I'm not sure what the best combination is with who best plays with whom, but all four of those will want to be starting every game as the first choice. Which one do you drop? Out of those, most likely Ederson as he seems like the best fit for the rotational role.

Competition is not a bad thing and it'll cause them to raise their game. At the same time, MF, Scott and Mainoo are all 21/22, so there's an element of them all still learning their trade and needing games and consistency to develop. All exciting players and I'd love to see them all at the club, but it would give us a few headaches of a different kind.

I can't see us going for Scott anyway. The idea of him following Iraola to Liverpool just seems really obvious.
Yeah I suspect by the time we have confirmation Anderson is joining City and Tchouameni staying at Real he will have been taken off market by fecking scousers
 
If his technical ability is UNREAL and the bolded is true, he'd be one of the best midfielders in the world.
I said he's physical and willing to get stuck in, but that doesn't mean his defensive output is that of Casemiro or Anderson.

We frankly have no idea what he would look like in a true defensive position because he was always instructed to get forward and be aggressive in ball carrying.

It doesn't take much to realize he is easily top 15 midfielders in the PL when it comes to pure technical ability. I don't think you understand how immense this guy was during Bournemouth's 16 game stretch. There's a reason why Iraola almost made CL after half his squad got sold.
 
Jeesus wept, Mainoo is far from given to dominate the PL. if Anything Scott had actually at least as good season as Mainoo in a far inferior team.

Scott is can develop into anything as good as Mainoo. Mainoo overrating here is very painful even though he had a strong season, it was Casemiro who absolutely dominated very next to him, so it's a qquestion who can step up into our regular midfield due behind Bruno.

Great, so we're now prepared to bench Kobbie Mainoo, England's second best player (we'll give it to Kane) in the Euros, for Alex Scott? Holy Mother of God, Jesus is breaking down into tears. By any chance were you recently sacked as manager of Manchester United?
 
Great, so we're now prepared to bench Kobbie Mainoo, England's second best player (we'll give it to Kane) in the Euros, for Alex Scott? Holy Mother of God, Jesus is breaking down into tears. By any chance were you recently sacked as manager of Manchester United?
You should always be prepared to bench your players if the other player fighting for their space, deserves it. I think they could play together anyway, but Mainoo is not a shoe in for the midfield 2 this season. If we sign Ederson and Fernandes, there is an extremely strong chance Mainoo starts the season on the bench anyway.
 
You should always be prepared to bench your players if the other player fighting for their space, deserves it. I think they could play together anyway, but Mainoo is not a shoe in for the midfield 2 this season. If we sign Ederson and Fernandes, there is an extremely strong chance Mainoo starts the season on the bench anyway.

Sure, if Bruno drops turds off to bench he goes until further notice. Same with Lammens or Cunha. Beckham was benched here and there for performance reasons as well as off-pitch reasons. We dropped Onana on account of outrageously poor performances. Yoro was arguably dropped for poor performances, but I think he might have a had an injury issue as well. King Harry was famously stripped of his armband due to poor performances. We all get that.

But the point here is that Mainoo has done nothing to suggest we need an upgrade at his position. Not only has Mainoo not performed poorly, he's been brilliant and that is not an idiosyncratic other otherwise wild take. He has been universally praised (except by some here) for his outstanding play since Carrick released him from Amorim's prison. In light of his brilliant performances, United have extended and enriched Kobbie's contract. It's not hard to find praise for Kobbie's performances since Carrick took over but I'll just paste one snippet -- Manchester United midfielder Kobbie Mainoo delivered another jaw-dropping performance, this time to help his side to a 1-0 victory over Everton. Actually, I'll go with a second: Kobbie Mainoo performed exactly as he needed to against Manchester City. Kobbie controlled the midfield alongside Casemiro, dominating an area of the pitch that was also occupied by former Ballon D'Or winner Rodri and former PFA Player of the Year Phil Foden.

We absolutely do need to be two deep at every position, obviously to have a backup plan in case of injury but also to keep competitive pressure on the regular starters, including Bruno and Mainoo, without any doubt United's two best players now that Casemiro has left although an argument for Lammens would be reasonable. Since Mainoo has been recalled to duty his performances have been "jaw-dropping" and although I completely agree we need cover for him we do not need an upgrade on him.

But it would be criminally insane -- Section 5150* insane for those of you who live in California -- to bench Kobbie Mainoo for Ederson or Mateus Fernandes.

*Section 5150 refers to a provision in the California Welfare and Institutions Code that allows authorized individuals to involuntarily detain someone experiencing a mental health crisis for a 72-hour psychiatric evaluation and treatment
 
His ability to maneuver through the press and lay off great passes over and over reminds me a lot of Darren Fletcher/Michael Carrick hybrid actually. I

"lay off great passes over and over"?...

That's probably the biggest weakness of his game right now:


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Sure, if Bruno drops turds off to bench he goes until further notice. Same with Lammens or Cunha. Beckham was benched here and there for performance reasons as well as off-pitch reasons. We dropped Onana on account of outrageously poor performances. Yoro was arguably dropped for poor performances, but I think he might have a had an injury issue as well. King Harry was famously stripped of his armband due to poor performances. We all get that.

But the point here is that Mainoo has done nothing to suggest we need an upgrade at his position. Not only has Mainoo not performed poorly, he's been brilliant and that is not an idiosyncratic other otherwise wild take. He has been universally praised (except by some here) for his outstanding play since Carrick released him from Amorim's prison. In light of his brilliant performances, United have extended and enriched Kobbie's contract. It's not hard to find praise for Kobbie's performances since Carrick took over but I'll just paste one snippet -- Manchester United midfielder Kobbie Mainoo delivered another jaw-dropping performance, this time to help his side to a 1-0 victory over Everton. Actually, I'll go with a second: Kobbie Mainoo performed exactly as he needed to against Manchester City. Kobbie controlled the midfield alongside Casemiro, dominating an area of the pitch that was also occupied by former Ballon D'Or winner Rodri and former PFA Player of the Year Phil Foden.

We absolutely do need to be two deep at every position, obviously to have a backup plan in case of injury but also to keep competitive pressure on the regular starters, including Bruno and Mainoo, without any doubt United's two best players now that Casemiro has left although an argument for Lammens would be reasonable. Since Mainoo has been recalled to duty his performances have been "jaw-dropping" and although I completely agree we need cover for him we do not need an upgrade on him.

But it would be criminally insane -- Section 5150* insane for those of you who live in California -- to bench Kobbie Mainoo for Ederson or Mateus Fernandes.

*Section 5150 refers to a provision in the California Welfare and Institutions Code that allows authorized individuals to involuntarily detain someone experiencing a mental health crisis for a 72-hour psychiatric evaluation and treatment
Thanks Lex, an informative post in many ways.
 
Sure, if Bruno drops turds off to bench he goes until further notice. Same with Lammens or Cunha. Beckham was benched here and there for performance reasons as well as off-pitch reasons. We dropped Onana on account of outrageously poor performances. Yoro was arguably dropped for poor performances, but I think he might have a had an injury issue as well. King Harry was famously stripped of his armband due to poor performances. We all get that.

But the point here is that Mainoo has done nothing to suggest we need an upgrade at his position. Not only has Mainoo not performed poorly, he's been brilliant and that is not an idiosyncratic other otherwise wild take. He has been universally praised (except by some here) for his outstanding play since Carrick released him from Amorim's prison. In light of his brilliant performances, United have extended and enriched Kobbie's contract. It's not hard to find praise for Kobbie's performances since Carrick took over but I'll just paste one snippet -- Manchester United midfielder Kobbie Mainoo delivered another jaw-dropping performance, this time to help his side to a 1-0 victory over Everton. Actually, I'll go with a second: Kobbie Mainoo performed exactly as he needed to against Manchester City. Kobbie controlled the midfield alongside Casemiro, dominating an area of the pitch that was also occupied by former Ballon D'Or winner Rodri and former PFA Player of the Year Phil Foden.

We absolutely do need to be two deep at every position, obviously to have a backup plan in case of injury but also to keep competitive pressure on the regular starters, including Bruno and Mainoo, without any doubt United's two best players now that Casemiro has left although an argument for Lammens would be reasonable. Since Mainoo has been recalled to duty his performances have been "jaw-dropping" and although I completely agree we need cover for him we do not need an upgrade on him.

But it would be criminally insane -- Section 5150* insane for those of you who live in California -- to bench Kobbie Mainoo for Ederson or Mateus Fernandes.

*Section 5150 refers to a provision in the California Welfare and Institutions Code that allows authorized individuals to involuntarily detain someone experiencing a mental health crisis for a 72-hour psychiatric evaluation and treatment
It's not about upgrading though. Mainoo also hasn't got a very good injury record in general and if England get to the semis he'll likely get back a month before the season starts. If we get those two in, they will likely have played the whole pre-season together. Of course it very much depends how we set up and if Carrick envisions those two together or not and whether or not they play very well together. If they do, I don't think Mainoo comes straight back in. Then it's up to Fernandes and Ederson to keep him out the side with their own performances, like a good squad should do.

It's not criminally insane and if we don't think either of them could possibly bench Mainoo, we're not building a very good squad.
 
Sure, if Bruno drops turds off to bench he goes until further notice. Same with Lammens or Cunha. Beckham was benched here and there for performance reasons as well as off-pitch reasons. We dropped Onana on account of outrageously poor performances. Yoro was arguably dropped for poor performances, but I think he might have a had an injury issue as well. King Harry was famously stripped of his armband due to poor performances. We all get that.

But the point here is that Mainoo has done nothing to suggest we need an upgrade at his position. Not only has Mainoo not performed poorly, he's been brilliant and that is not an idiosyncratic other otherwise wild take. He has been universally praised (except by some here) for his outstanding play since Carrick released him from Amorim's prison. In light of his brilliant performances, United have extended and enriched Kobbie's contract. It's not hard to find praise for Kobbie's performances since Carrick took over but I'll just paste one snippet -- Manchester United midfielder Kobbie Mainoo delivered another jaw-dropping performance, this time to help his side to a 1-0 victory over Everton. Actually, I'll go with a second: Kobbie Mainoo performed exactly as he needed to against Manchester City. Kobbie controlled the midfield alongside Casemiro, dominating an area of the pitch that was also occupied by former Ballon D'Or winner Rodri and former PFA Player of the Year Phil Foden.

We absolutely do need to be two deep at every position, obviously to have a backup plan in case of injury but also to keep competitive pressure on the regular starters, including Bruno and Mainoo, without any doubt United's two best players now that Casemiro has left although an argument for Lammens would be reasonable. Since Mainoo has been recalled to duty his performances have been "jaw-dropping" and although I completely agree we need cover for him we do not need an upgrade on him.

But it would be criminally insane -- Section 5150* insane for those of you who live in California -- to bench Kobbie Mainoo for Ederson or Mateus Fernandes.

*Section 5150 refers to a provision in the California Welfare and Institutions Code that allows authorized individuals to involuntarily detain someone experiencing a mental health crisis for a 72-hour psychiatric evaluation and treatment
Mainoo was great in those first couple of big matches after Carrick took over, but after that he was nothing special for the next couple of months. He wasn't bad or anything, but he certainly wasn't at a level where he couldn't be benched. It was only the final five or six matches of the season where he really stepped up to that level.

If we knew for certain that those final matches were how he was going to consistently perform going forward then we could plan around him being a near certain starter in the vast majority of games. But we don't know that. If we look at his time with us so far he has been somewhat inconsistent. A mostly good first season, a mostly bad second season (under both ETH and Amorim), then barely played in the first half of his third season (poor when he did play, but it was so little gametime that I wouldn't hold it against him) before bouncing between fantastic and ok for the second half of the season. Inconsistency is to be expected at his age, and if we did somehow sign both Fernandes and Scott (or one of them and Baleba) I'd expect the same from them seeing as they are all about the same age. The hope is that between them and Ederson we'd always have at least two in form, and the competition between each other should be healthy and ultimately push each other to new heights. Mainoo would have to continue playing at his top level to cement himself as first choice.

Plus with the amount of games that we will hopefully be playing next season, we need to be able to rotate players quite a bit.
 
Mainoo was great in those first couple of big matches after Carrick took over, but after that he was nothing special for the next couple of months. He wasn't bad or anything, but he certainly wasn't at a level where he couldn't be benched. It was only the final five or six matches of the season where he really stepped up to that level.

If we knew for certain that those final matches were how he was going to consistently perform going forward then we could plan around him being a near certain starter in the vast majority of games. But we don't know that. If we look at his time with us so far he has been somewhat inconsistent. A mostly good first season, a mostly bad second season (under both ETH and Amorim), then barely played in the first half of his third season (poor when he did play, but it was so little gametime that I wouldn't hold it against him) before bouncing between fantastic and ok for the second half of the season. Inconsistency is to be expected at his age, and if we did somehow sign both Fernandes and Scott (or one of them and Baleba) I'd expect the same from them seeing as they are all about the same age. The hope is that between them and Ederson we'd always have at least two in form, and the competition between each other should be healthy and ultimately push each other to new heights. Mainoo would have to continue playing at his top level to cement himself as first choice.

Plus with the amount of games that we will hopefully be playing next season, we need to be able to rotate players quite a bit.
I saw it as Mainoo came into the team under Carrick and was a breath of fresh air, played really well and helped the team get some great results. Then, the team dropped in form and he did the same...but toward the end of the season, Mainoo picked up again and played some really nice football, which coincided in United walking away with 3rd place.
 
Mainoo was great in those first couple of big matches after Carrick took over, but after that he was nothing special for the next couple of months. He wasn't bad or anything, but he certainly wasn't at a level where he couldn't be benched. It was only the final five or six matches of the season where he really stepped up to that level.

If we knew for certain that those final matches were how he was going to consistently perform going forward then we could plan around him being a near certain starter in the vast majority of games. But we don't know that. If we look at his time with us so far he has been somewhat inconsistent. A mostly good first season, a mostly bad second season (under both ETH and Amorim), then barely played in the first half of his third season (poor when he did play, but it was so little gametime that I wouldn't hold it against him) before bouncing between fantastic and ok for the second half of the season. Inconsistency is to be expected at his age, and if we did somehow sign both Fernandes and Scott (or one of them and Baleba) I'd expect the same from them seeing as they are all about the same age. The hope is that between them and Ederson we'd always have at least two in form, and the competition between each other should be healthy and ultimately push each other to new heights. Mainoo would have to continue playing at his top level to cement himself as first choice.

Plus with the amount of games that we will hopefully be playing next season, we need to be able to rotate players quite a bit.

I'm truly mind-boggled by the underestimating of Mainoo here. Amorim benched him and we floundered, even facing the prospect of relegation last season. Carrick takes over, restores Mainoo back to the starting XI and we're now in the CL. A statistician would argue that multiple factors explained the massive turnaround in our performances and results between Amorim and Carrick and that is course true, but the inclusion of Mainoo as a regular starter had a massive impact on our performances and results. Mainoo has been more than special since his restoration and we not only see it with the eye test, we see it with the results. Between relegation and CL qualification, I'll go with CL qualification every time. Carrick had exactly the same players Amorim had, but the adjustment of bringing Mainoo back into midfield made a massive difference in the quality of our performances.

Carrick would truly out of his mind -- and thankfully, he isn't -- to bench Kobbie for someone like Ederson or even Alex Scott for anything other than rotation purposes. On the other hand, if we had brought in Anderson, who I rate very highly, but the price of doing so would be to bench Mainoo and let him fight for scraps in league cup games and the like, I could be talked into that. But not for Alex Scott, the topic of this thread. But Anderson is eventually going to City and the remaining players on the shopping list are simply not at Mainoo's level.
 
He’ll be £60-£70 million as well. The club are in cuckoo land if they think they can cheap out on the midfield rebuild.
 
He’ll be £60-£70 million as well. The club are in cuckoo land if they think they can cheap out on the midfield rebuild.
Yup, Scott and Fernandes will be ca 140m. No way we can sign them for 100m and maybe Ederson and Fernandes will be our only CM signings.
 
I do not see any reason to pass up signing players at Mainoo's level or better when we will have 4 competitions. We need 4 players at a the same level for 2 cm positions.
It's crazy people seem only happy to buy lesser players, so as to not potentially push out a favoured player. This isn't exclusively to Mainoo, seems to happen with every position. This clubs best period we had 4 top level strikers for 2 positions. We also pushed players like Rooney and Tevez wide to fit everyone in.
 
He’ll be £60-£70 million as well. The club are in cuckoo land if they think they can cheap out on the midfield rebuild.
This is such projecting. There's nothing to suggest they think they can 'cheap it out', but they're going to try and get the best deals they possibly can.

Every club does this
 
What if it came down to how much we can afford, that leads to a situation of third midfield signing vs a left back signing?

I could imagine us getting Ederson and Fernandes in, but then need to do some creative accounting/squad management/talent ID to fill these roles: a third CM (e.g. Scott), LB (Hall), and a backup striker (no obvious options come to mind).
 
It's crazy people seem only happy to buy lesser players, so as to not potentially push out a favoured player. This isn't exclusively to Mainoo, seems to happen with every position. This clubs best period we had 4 top level strikers for 2 positions. We also pushed players like Rooney and Tevez wide to fit everyone in.
People still not understanding it’s a squad game when all you have to do is look at the City and Arsenal and how stacked they are. It’s the only way to be truly successful in modern football.
 
People still not understanding it’s a squad game when all you have to do is look at the City and Arsenal and how stacked they are. It’s the only way to be truly successful in modern football.
Or look how badly we dropped off when we had a couple of injuries and players like Amad's output went through the floor. Or how Saka and Rice got ran into the ground all season and paid the price for that in the closing stages. So many examples as to why we need too quality depth going into next season.
 
Carrick would truly out of his mind -- and thankfully, he isn't -- to bench Kobbie for someone like Ederson or even Alex Scott for anything other than rotation purposes. On the other hand, if we had brought in Anderson, who I rate very highly, but the price of doing so would be to bench Mainoo and let him fight for scraps in league cup games and the like, I could be talked into that. But not for Alex Scott, the topic of this thread. But Anderson is eventually going to City and the remaining players on the shopping list are simply not at Mainoo's level.

If Scott and Ederson come in and perform better than Mainoo, they should start. If Anderson came in and performed worse than Mainoo, Mainoo should start. Players often move to clubs and play much worse or much better than before, and players at clubs can have bad/good seasons. I don't understand why it would be Anderson>Mainoo>others regardless of how any of them are playing. That's called having favourites and managers get rightly slated for that.
 
Should test the waters for Scott now. Fernandes’ current valuation is crazy and West Ham are obviously going to drag on any sale and see who offers the most. I can certainly see Pool coming in for him very soon. I’d take him over Fernandes and Tonali.
 
I'm truly mind-boggled by the underestimating of Mainoo here. Amorim benched him and we floundered, even facing the prospect of relegation last season. Carrick takes over, restores Mainoo back to the starting XI and we're now in the CL. A statistician would argue that multiple factors explained the massive turnaround in our performances and results between Amorim and Carrick and that is course true, but the inclusion of Mainoo as a regular starter had a massive impact on our performances and results. Mainoo has been more than special since his restoration and we not only see it with the eye test, we see it with the results. Between relegation and CL qualification, I'll go with CL qualification every time. Carrick had exactly the same players Amorim had, but the adjustment of bringing Mainoo back into midfield made a massive difference in the quality of our performances.

Carrick would truly out of his mind -- and thankfully, he isn't -- to bench Kobbie for someone like Ederson or even Alex Scott for anything other than rotation purposes. On the other hand, if we had brought in Anderson, who I rate very highly, but the price of doing so would be to bench Mainoo and let him fight for scraps in league cup games and the like, I could be talked into that. But not for Alex Scott, the topic of this thread. But Anderson is eventually going to City and the remaining players on the shopping list are simply not at Mainoo's level.
Mainoo started the large majority of the league games that he was available for under Amorim last season, so linking him being dropped to us finishing 15th is completely inaccurate. There were two games where he didn't start as he returned from injury (Ipswich in Amorim's first game, then Newcastle later in the season), but otherwise there were only four league games that Amorim didn't start him when available. In fact, our results were worse in the games where he did start, with just 11 points in 14 games compared to 16 points in the 13 games that he didn't start (mostly due to injury). Admittedly a few of the games later in the season he was being played in more attacking areas, but that was simply because playing him in midfield wasn't working.

Mainoo was poor last season. Under both ETH and Amorim, both of whom gave him plenty of chances. There's simply no way of denying that.

I'm a huge fan of Mainoo's potential. I always have been pretty much from the first moment I saw him. He could go on to be something truly special and he's already capable of performing at a great level at times (I gave him MoM in three of the last four games of the season). The difference between you and I is that I don't think he's close to that level on a consistent basis yet. Which is perfectly fine and understandable at his age, but it does mean we need other options that can rotate with him and that can help ensure he doesn't get lazy and sit on his laurels (something we've seen happen to other young players once they get too comfortable). Indeed an argument could be had that that's already happened with him, and his poor performances last season may have been due to him getting too comfortable and his much better recent performances might be due to being dropped for half a season ensuring he's fully focused now. Before anyone says something, no I'm not giving Amorim any credit for that, as while Mainoo deserved to be dropped to some extent Amorim obviously went significantly overboard with him barely getting any minutes at all this season.

Look at the 07-10 period under Fergie. While Scholes-Carrick is seen as our primary midfield combo during that period, we were constantly changing it around based on form, opposition and just general rotation. Sometimes it was just for a game or two, other times there were extended runs of other combos. Nobody, not even Scholes and Carrick who were both comfortably better than what Mainoo is right now, were safe from being dropped at times if their levels dropped off a bit. Nothing good comes out of this idea that Mainoo should basically be guaranteed first choice.
 
Sure, if Bruno drops turds off to bench he goes until further notice. Same with Lammens or Cunha. Beckham was benched here and there for performance reasons as well as off-pitch reasons. We dropped Onana on account of outrageously poor performances. Yoro was arguably dropped for poor performances, but I think he might have a had an injury issue as well. King Harry was famously stripped of his armband due to poor performances. We all get that.

But the point here is that Mainoo has done nothing to suggest we need an upgrade at his position. Not only has Mainoo not performed poorly, he's been brilliant and that is not an idiosyncratic other otherwise wild take. He has been universally praised (except by some here) for his outstanding play since Carrick released him from Amorim's prison. In light of his brilliant performances, United have extended and enriched Kobbie's contract. It's not hard to find praise for Kobbie's performances since Carrick took over but I'll just paste one snippet -- Manchester United midfielder Kobbie Mainoo delivered another jaw-dropping performance, this time to help his side to a 1-0 victory over Everton. Actually, I'll go with a second: Kobbie Mainoo performed exactly as he needed to against Manchester City. Kobbie controlled the midfield alongside Casemiro, dominating an area of the pitch that was also occupied by former Ballon D'Or winner Rodri and former PFA Player of the Year Phil Foden.

We absolutely do need to be two deep at every position, obviously to have a backup plan in case of injury but also to keep competitive pressure on the regular starters, including Bruno and Mainoo, without any doubt United's two best players now that Casemiro has left although an argument for Lammens would be reasonable. Since Mainoo has been recalled to duty his performances have been "jaw-dropping" and although I completely agree we need cover for him we do not need an upgrade on him.

But it would be criminally insane -- Section 5150* insane for those of you who live in California -- to bench Kobbie Mainoo for Ederson or Mateus Fernandes.

*Section 5150 refers to a provision in the California Welfare and Institutions Code that allows authorized individuals to involuntarily detain someone experiencing a mental health crisis for a 72-hour psychiatric evaluation and treatment
Your post is strange, almost delusional. The feed makes a good, reasonable and valid point: and that is there is no guarantee that Mainoo should start, if we were to buy Mateus Fernandes, alongside Ederson. Why should he? Because Kobie Mainoo is better than those two? Is he?

I have stated so many times, Mainoo is good , a talent, he can drop a shoulder and pass the ball neatly, which are great attributes. But Mainoo is not this complete, elite player some seem to suggest. And there is nothing wrong with that, because he is young.
But Manchester United have no time for sympathy, the squad are competing with other teams, with good talented players. Mainoo is good, but he suffers from too much hype. It was only the last two or three games of last season where I thought he actually looked fitter, showed a little (little) more ambition as a Man Utd Central Midfielder. Mainoo doesn't create much at all, these interventions are rare. He is certainly not a goalscorer. He isn't a physical powerhouse, tackling like Kante, or Gattuso etc. He doesn't get on the ball and get us playing (Rabiot, Modric, Wharton, Rodri,Vitinha etc..), and there isn'y anything wrong with that either. He is a good player, settled on the ball, but he isn't some dominant force. Mainoo can go long periods and you're not quite sure what he is doing. Elite Man Utd midfielders have always, always been able to stamp their charcater, talent on a game, regardless of their game attributes. And this is where Kobie Mainoo needs to step up.

England were not great under Gareth Southgate. No club wants him as a Manager, and Euro 2024 was no great tournament in terms of England's play. I sometimes wonder what games people are watching. Passing the ball square against average international players is not the sign of an elite midfielder. It is not. Spain battered England in the final, after losing their best midfielder at half-time. So let's keep things in perspective.

Mainoo is a quality young talent, but he isn't the best we can do, and we should always should be looking to improve the squad. Carrick should and INEOS should. And fans should not feel that saying so is some terrible thing.

Casimero and Bruno Fernandes were by some margin, our standout midfielders last season. Let's see if Mainoo can step up. But he will have competition and that's a healthy thing in my opinion.
 
Your post is strange, almost delusional. The feed makes a good, reasonable and valid point: and that is there is no guarantee that Mainoo should start, if we were to buy Mateus Fernandes, alongside Ederson. Why should he? Because Kobie Mainoo is better than those two? Is he?

I have stated so many times, Mainoo is good , a talent, he can drop a shoulder and pass the ball neatly, which are great attributes. But Mainoo is not this complete, elite player some seem to suggest. And there is nothing wrong with that, because he is young.
But Manchester United have no time for sympathy, the squad are competing with other teams, with good talented players. Mainoo is good, but he suffers from too much hype. It was only the last two or three games of last season where I thought he actually looked fitter, showed a little (little) more ambition as a Man Utd Central Midfielder. Mainoo doesn't create much at all, these interventions are rare. He is certainly not a goalscorer. He isn't a physical powerhouse, tackling like Kante, or Gattuso etc. He doesn't get on the ball and get us playing (Rabiot, Modric, Wharton, Rodri,Vitinha etc..), and there isn'y anything wrong with that either. He is a good player, settled on the ball, but he isn't some dominant force. Mainoo can go long periods and you're not quite sure what he is doing. Elite Man Utd midfielders have always, always been able to stamp their charcater, talent on a game, regardless of their game attributes. And this is where Kobie Mainoo needs to step up.

England were not great under Gareth Southgate. No club wants him as a Manager, and Euro 2024 was no great tournament in terms of England's play. I sometimes wonder what games people are watching. Passing the ball square against average international players is not the sign of an elite midfielder. It is not. Spain battered England in the final, after losing their best midfielder at half-time. So let's keep things in perspective.

Mainoo is a quality young talent, but he isn't the best we can do, and we should always should be looking to improve the squad. Carrick should and INEOS should. And fans should not feel that saying so is some terrible thing.

Casimero and Bruno Fernandes were by some margin, our standout midfielders last season. Let's see if Mainoo can step up. But he will have competition and that's a healthy thing in my opinion.
Thanks for repeating the obvious, which still people dont see. Mainoo is a great talent but far from guaranteed starter. Playing 5 or 6 games for the national team agains poor international players under a poor manager doesnt make hima top class player. The hype has been real and still is. It is also telling that he was benched under Amorim for longer periods and instead of kicking on and trying to improve he went into sulking.

We should definitely not bring partners to Mainoo, but overall highest quality midfielders who can start themselves, not to acommodate a young talent who still didnt make the step-up but in handful of games. If Scott comes and is the player to displace Mainoo, it means that he is better and elevates our team more and we should be happy about it. We are not Mainoo FC nor we are charity.
 
Thanks for repeating the obvious, which still people dont see. Mainoo is a great talent but far from guaranteed starter. Playing 5 or 6 games for the national team agains poor international players under a poor manager doesnt make hima top class player. The hype has been real and still is. It is also telling that he was benched under Amorim for longer periods and instead of kicking on and trying to improve he went into sulking.

We should definitely not bring partners to Mainoo, but overall highest quality midfielders who can start themselves, not to acommodate a young talent who still didnt make the step-up but in handful of games. If Scott comes and is the player to displace Mainoo, it means that he is better and elevates our team more and we should be happy about it. We are not Mainoo FC nor we are charity.
Exactly this. We cant be scared of signing players as they might start ahead of youth products. We want the best possible first 11 and should have top quality players fighting each other to start while always looking to elevate our first 11
 
Given the number of games next season and that Mainoo is player I would be concerned about playing 90 mins twice a week anyway. I think the debate about benching him with a new player is irrelevant.

Having recently watched him play against the speculated replacements I wouldn't be so sure who comes out on top of a direct contest for a Utd shirt next season even if that was the case(which it isn't).

Playing for Forrest, Brighton West Ham or Bournemouth isn't the same as playing in the spotlight at Utd. Some really good players have wilted under it before.

We should buy the best players we can for the money we have got and I bet Mainoo can adapt a play well with them all.
 
well hopefully we laid some serious ground work in trying to get Scott's transfer in place bc clearly Liverpool will now be a major factor considering the manager and people in the hierarchy are all from Bournemouth leadership
 
I'm truly mind-boggled by the underestimating of Mainoo here. Amorim benched him and we floundered, even facing the prospect of relegation last season. Carrick takes over, restores Mainoo back to the starting XI and we're now in the CL. A statistician would argue that multiple factors explained the massive turnaround in our performances and results between Amorim and Carrick and that is course true, but the inclusion of Mainoo as a regular starter had a massive impact on our performances and results. Mainoo has been more than special since his restoration and we not only see it with the eye test, we see it with the results. Between relegation and CL qualification, I'll go with CL qualification every time. Carrick had exactly the same players Amorim had, but the adjustment of bringing Mainoo back into midfield made a massive difference in the quality of our performances.

Carrick would truly out of his mind -- and thankfully, he isn't -- to bench Kobbie for someone like Ederson or even Alex Scott for anything other than rotation purposes. On the other hand, if we had brought in Anderson, who I rate very highly, but the price of doing so would be to bench Mainoo and let him fight for scraps in league cup games and the like, I could be talked into that. But not for Alex Scott, the topic of this thread. But Anderson is eventually going to City and the remaining players on the shopping list are simply not at Mainoo's level.
Indeed some underestimating of Mainoo

But you’re also underestimating Cunha, Mbuemo, Sesko who in turn improve Bruno

I’m all in on Alex Scott. Think that lad is brilliant and plenty of room to develop further. Worries me Iraola has rocked up at Liverpool and might go back for him

I’d be more than happy with Mainoo, Scott, Bruno getting lots of minutes as starters next season….oppo dependent. Obvs an enforcer necessary for other games. But Scott would be an epic start…and not As costly as Anderson
 
Indeed some underestimating of Mainoo

But you’re also underestimating Cunha, Mbuemo, Sesko who in turn improve Bruno

I’m all in on Alex Scott. Think that lad is brilliant and plenty of room to develop further. Worries me Iraola has rocked up at Liverpool and might go back for him

I’d be more than happy with Mainoo, Scott, Bruno getting lots of minutes as starters next season….oppo dependent. Obvs an enforcer necessary for other games. But Scott would be an epic start…and not As costly as Anderson

I distinctly recall stating that muiltiple factors went into resurrection under Carrick. Cunha and Sesko absolutely improved under Carrick. Mbeumo, not so much. Bruno was deployed in his correct position, without question.

But also without question the one player who was inserted into the starting Xi and somehow, perhaps by coincidence, our team performances and results improved dramatically.

But lets think for a moment what is being proposed by some here -- relegating Mainoo to being the backup player for Ederson or M. Fernandes. Amorim benched Mainoo and we were probably only a few weeks away from losing Mainoo, while we continued to rack up losses while Mainoo rotted on the bench. Rotting Mainoo on the bench, after what we have just seen from him, would be madness. Criminal madness.

Not just "lots of minutes" as a start today and a benching the next day, then another start and then another benching (putting domestic cups in another bucket) he goes -- regular starts, absent fitness or form problems of course. If Mainoo starts dropping turds, as Maguire did several years ago, yes of course bench him until further notice, but the idea of bringing in a new player to usurp Mainoo...I just don't have the words for how daft and wrong that would be.

But as I wrote before, if the price of bringing in Anderson would be to have him take Mainoo's place while we also bring in more proper 6 with box-to-box capabilities, I could be talked into it. Anderson is the only midfielder among all the names we've been linked with who is fit to deemed Mainoo's peer. Mainoo is the better passer, though not by much, but Anderson's athleticism is beyond elite. But if Elliot were deployed as the deeper of the three midfielders among Bruno and Kobbie (with suitable cover, including Mount and Ederson and even if couldn't sell him, Ugarte) that would be a ferocious midfield. But you don't want to take one of your most powerful chess pieces off the table, and certainly not after what we all saw during and after Amorim.
 
I distinctly recall stating that muiltiple factors went into resurrection under Carrick. Cunha and Sesko absolutely improved under Carrick. Mbeumo, not so much. Bruno was deployed in his correct position, without question.

But also without question the one player who was inserted into the starting Xi and somehow, perhaps by coincidence, our team performances and results improved dramatically.

But lets think for a moment what is being proposed by some here -- relegating Mainoo to being the backup player for Ederson or M. Fernandes. Amorim benched Mainoo and we were probably only a few weeks away from losing Mainoo, while we continued to rack up losses while Mainoo rotted on the bench. Rotting Mainoo on the bench, after what we have just seen from him, would be madness. Criminal madness.

Not just "lots of minutes" as a start today and a benching the next day, then another start and then another benching (putting domestic cups in another bucket) he goes -- regular starts, absent fitness or form problems of course. If Mainoo starts dropping turds, as Maguire did several years ago, yes of course bench him until further notice, but the idea of bringing in a new player to usurp Mainoo...I just don't have the words for how daft and wrong that would be.

But as I wrote before, if the price of bringing in Anderson would be to have him take Mainoo's place while we also bring in more proper 6 with box-to-box capabilities, I could be talked into it. Anderson is the only midfielder among all the names we've been linked with who is fit to deemed Mainoo's peer. Mainoo is the better passer, though not by much, but Anderson's athleticism is beyond elite. But if Elliot were deployed as the deeper of the three midfielders among Bruno and Kobbie (with suitable cover, including Mount and Ederson and even if couldn't sell him, Ugarte) that would be a ferocious midfield. But you don't want to take one of your most powerful chess pieces off the table, and certainly not after what we all saw during and after Amorim.
Absolutely no one is proposing that.
 
I'm suspicious of modern players with alice bands and curtains. Either go shorter or commit to the long hair.
 
I'm suspicious of modern players with alice bands and curtains. Either go shorter or commit to the long hair.
Nah, I think it’s a terrific 90s throwback look that beats the noodle-y low taper fade or whatever Simple Jack from Tropic Thunder looks the likes of Garnacho and Palmer go for.
 
Some of the over the top praise for Mainoo is laughable. The guy was honking for half a season, came in and played safety first for weeks on end (to much applause by United fans, who probably would have criticised somebody like Andre Herrera or Pogba if they played like that back in the day, let alone any of our actual top class CMs that came before them). In amongst those fairly “steady” performances were some poor performances and also some that were a bit more lively.

If we spend £150m on three new midfielders and don’t improve, thats a huge failing on the clubs part.