I would completely understand flogging him if we had players of which at least ONE was established. But none of them are, and the player who replaced him offered next to nothing as soon as his new contract was signed.
Alexis offered to Roma
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I do think that flogging would be an excessive punishment however I agree that those that imagine Martial will be reborn as an all action, hard working incarnation of Henry this season will be sadly mistaken.
I think he might just be worth keeping around this season. The new style of play that Ole has implemented should suit him down to the ground.
I can't believe my eyes. Everyone is all on board the crazy train it seems. We are already short up-front, no experience whatsoever, no chance of a replacement, the one position is opening up where he might be able to provide value to us, considering he had his best season at Arsenal as a ST and he hasn't even been tried there yet with us.
To entertain getting rid of Sanchez under these circumstances is certifiable.
Woodward really does raise the bar. Pay players extortionate amounts of money to play for someone else
Here’s a thought though. Mason turns out not to be good enough, we have sold our experienced strikers. Then what? Turn to the u16?
I can’t believe my eyes that some people see Alexis Sanchez as a remotely contributing member of the squad.
The Alexis Sanchez we’ve seen during the year and a half he’s been here was either injured or utter shite, that’s the reality of things and that all we can judge him by.
He had fecked up our wage structure to no avail, at this point we would do well to pay someone 10m to get him off out books and get done with it.
He had been nothing but one of the poorest and least effective players in the squad and that me being flattering, might as well play some u18 attacker we won’t see much of a difference.
This ‘story’ came out of Italy this morning:
https://www.football-italia.net/141885/man-utd-split-alexis-salary-roma
As far as I can see, no reputable UK journo has picked up on it.
https://www.football-italia.net/141885/man-utd-split-alexis-salary-roma
As far as I can see, no reputable UK journo has picked up on it.
I think this is Solskjaer purging the atmosphere at the club.
Steady on, people don't think that far ahead. It's all flowers and fairy tales this season.
Ahh so it’s bollacks. Good, I can’t believe we’re that stupid.
We have to many forwards as it is..
Yes, I think so. Attributed in the article to Tele Radio Stereo - whoever they are!
Any chance they would just swap him for Dzeko ?
I think this is Solskjaer purging the atmosphere at the club.
I'd take it and pay his full wages to be honest. It's quite obvious he is a disruption and isn't liked amongst our players so it would be worth it just for harmony reasons.
More game time for Gomes etc too which is a bonus.
More game time for Gomes etc too which is a bonus.
It seems a little odd for a journo to completely invent the story though. There is nothing to gain from it.
Surely there is something in this?
He has been nowhere near fit enough, constantly injured, i agree. But he is still mentally & technically a level above most of our team.
It looks like he will get a chance up-front this season. If he can get over his injury troubles, then it makes no sense to get rid of him, regardless of how disappointing he was last season.
Is he Batman? High profile (multi-millionaire, pianist, film star), frequently has to leave events at short notice, such as football matches he's participating in. Now absent again. Perhaps he's training with Ras Al Ghul.
Mentally? Based on what?
Technically? I don’t know about that, but then again Mata is one of our most technical players and he’s a nothing player in reality.
It’s all wishful thinking and nostalgia from his Arsenal days, he’s been dreadful for us, no better than Falcao.
I would have loved to have gotten rid of Sanchez if some a few offensive players were brought but right it would be complete stupidity (which makes it sort of likely to happen) from the club to loan him. We cannot afford to lose a senior player even if it is Alexis Sanchez.
I believe he is mentally strong yes. Nothing might have came off for him last season, but was he hiding? He constantly wanted the ball and tried to create for us.
He has only showed his technical skills on a few occasions, but are you really going to debate whether Lingard or Matic for eg. have more technical ability than him?
I wouldn't describe it as complete nostalgia, it's what he has shown he is capable of only a few years ago. The way i see it is, i would rather give him the minutes because his ceiling is much higher than Lingard/Mata.
If he could get some form back, he would be 10x the player for us than them.
Only Chinese could afford him... let's force him to learn some chinese
Well maybe Ole thinks he has negative impact on the whole group, if his work ethic isnt good enough on top of his wages, maybe others looking around thinking this is bs.
I work with quite a few match going arsenal fans. They all say the same, in his last 18 months he offered nothing and contributed nothing. Sulked all the time and was as welcome as a fart in a space suit in the dressing room. So we already got a player who was on the decline and past the point of reinventing his game (like Giggs / Scholes etc). Get shut
Maybe he does and obviously he would know more about it than all of us. I just think we will regret having such a thin attacking squad this season. Our established attackers aren't trustworthy
Which is why I don't think keeping him here for the sake of numbers is sensible. He's already created an alienating effect within the dressing room due to the wages.
Is the Chinese window still open? They might not pay a transfer fee, but they could pay him shitloads. Getting rid outright would clear 20-25M a year, and produce a bit of a clean slate in the dressing room.
Probably based on the past 9 months of Ole in charge plus the previous year of watching Sanchez stink up the place here. Not the aoightest chance Sanchez has a significant role this season.
Buy someone in January/next summer? Lukaku sure as feck wasn't good enough, and Sanchez sure as feck wasn't good enough. We're in transition, I'd rather give those minutes to someone who has the potential to reach the top then give them to 2 players who aren't suited to us and aren't good enough anyway.
You might be right, we shall see, he could stay at the end.
You say that 'paying 1% of the wages to a non-value adding player is poor business', but you still can't understand why people are against paying the majority of his wages to a player who will literally add no value to us as he will be on loan at another team?
I think virtually all reds would have been delighted to see Sanchez leave and be replaced this summer. However, this particular deal at this particular time is a different story. We're an injury away from a centre forward crisis already and the season hasn't even started yet! The transfer window closed yesterday so the option to replace him with anybody is obviously now gone. Added to that, we've seen the club's top goal threat and two key midfielders leave and not be replaced. Continuing to pay the majority of his wages but having him unavailable for selection has no tangible benefit for us unless he really is so toxic and disruptive that we need to get him out of the club by any means necessary. We don't know if he is or not, but given the manager's comments this morning and the lack of any real effort to ship him out in the summer I wouldn't have thought it was the case. His transfer was immensely damaging for us, but that's down to the deal we offered him, not his personality or his disruptive influence.
We need him with Lukaku & no replacement brought in.
We’ve got such a lack of depth/quality stiker/attacking wise & a mediocre midfield that I can’t see us getting us top 4 at all.
At least Alexis has proven quality .
Would a stronger manager than Ole have demanded some quality additions?
We’ve got such a lack of depth/quality stiker/attacking wise & a mediocre midfield that I can’t see us getting us top 4 at all.
At least Alexis has proven quality .
Would a stronger manager than Ole have demanded some quality additions?
In January prices are inflated, not many players fancy a move. We will have to buy someone who doesn't fit us 100% or significantly overpay for others. Something we're now briefed that it wasn't our intention this window.
We've seen far bigger talents go to waste or never reach their ceiling than Mason.
The amount of pressure that is put on this kid is unreal.
Leo Messi didn't kick it off the bat at that age, he needed 4-5 seasons of experience in functional team to begin looking like a world beater in terms of actually performing that talent on the pitch.
Cristiano needed 4-5 seasons of patience, inconsistency to show his true value.
Promoting a youth player is not like a "new signing". Come on.
Our youth team isn't really pulling trees these years and apart from Pogba I wouldn't call any of our youth players in the last 15 years a definite starter for a top 4 side.
It all looks good on paper and it's romantic feeling, but if shit hits the fan that plan falls down on its arse with no plan B.
We miss out on top 4 and again your Sancho's and Dybala's won't come next year.
that's how I see things as well.
Have we? Mason Greenwood is as promising a player as I've seen at the club through the youth, and by many accounts, as promising as we've seen since the co92. And he looks to have a good head on his shoulders, unlike someone like Ravel Morrison. Of course hes young, but that doesnt mean he won't be a useful player. As it is, hes far more useful to us as a squad player than Sanchez is. That's nothing to do with imaginary expectations, that's entirely based on the 1.5 years if Sanchez and the little time Greenwood has spent in the first team. It's not even close in fact.
Anyway; what exactly are you arguing? Do you think Sanchez is a difference maker in any way? Do you think hes a useful squad player in any way? If so, what the feck have you been watching? Hes as useless to us as Darmian or Rojo are, plain and simple wasted wages. This isnt a case of Greenwood needing to be a key player, it's a case of all 3 of our promising young attackers being far better players then fecking Alexis Sanchez who is a sack of useless shit at this point.
As for Lukaku, his role in the team is being replaced by Martial and Rashford, and I'm confident both are capable of stepping up.
Glad there is someone out there who sees it similar to me too.
To me Rossi looked as good as Mason in the youth set up if not more, yet didn't really made the step. Januzaj looked great and nailed on to make it(also with good head on his shoulders), Kiko Macheda was also an all round versatile striker and looked like a fantastic prospect for a month in PL, Welbeck... There are many names that you would find comparable to Mason, and whilst he is no doubt a talent and probably make it at the highest level that's not a certainty.
What I'm arguing is that you need senior players when you are short in a certain position. I'm not against selling Alexis, but replace him - don't just remove yet another senior member and doing nothing.
You don't throw kids just like that in the deep. You never know if they will cope with the pressure and expectations. And that's not imaginary expectations. Playing at youth level and stepping up for one of the biggest clubs in the world is a big fecking deal - in front of 76000 week in and week out.
Good point, but is " Mason not Good enough" still better than what we have seen from Sanchez
Yes but my argument is that San hez played literally no role last season, and the kittle he did he was shite. So they are replacing shite. Even if they are shite, it doesnt put us in a worse position. Like I said, Samchez will make no difference to our performances whether he stays or goes with nobody replacing him. The only potential with him is having him around hurts squad morale and brings down the togetherness of the team, gives us pointless distractions, and brings down the quality of training sessions (while picking up £350k a week). There is no hope for him to give us anything useful on the pitch, him being an experienced squad player doesnt matter. That's the reason we extended Mata, not Sanchez.
Also I'll have to disagree with your list. Rossini looked quality and was undoubtedly hurt by injuries, but Greenwood just looks better IMO. Of course nobody is a guarantee, I never said that. What I'm saying is he has the potential to be a brilliant player, and this very season it's not unrealistic for him to become a valuable squad player. If he doesnt cut it, well then his current level is still more useful than Sanchez, and at least we gave them the chances rather then giving games to Sanchez which doesnt help us on the pitch and certainly doesnt help off of it.
A clear yes as it stands, for all 3 of Greenwood, Chong and Gomes. Which is my point. Sanchez is wasted wages the same way Darmian and Rojo are. Having them around doesn't help in any way.
It’s the first important part of a rebuild and exactly what’s needed. It’s like when Fergie kicked out all the drunks to set examples. We have to get him out of the squad.