Alfredo Morelos 'El Bufalo'

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    Celtic are a bigger club than Spurs that much is not even a debate. Spurs have the luxury of being in the league for years if Celtic had 20+ years in the league they would be wealthier then Spurs and more players would want to play for them because of their aura and the fact that they are a more known and bigger club.

    Are Spurs richer now? well ya obviously but I am not talking about now I am talking about a hypothetical where Celtic have been in the league for years I see no problem in them overtaking a club like Spurs. Spurs used to be a usual mid table club for years up until 2010 they have done well granted but if Celtic had the luxury that Spurs have they would Dwarf spurs with all due respect to your club.
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    He has a moany attitude but don't let the 4 red cards fool you. Look at his booking record in Finland...

    First one was rescinded, red at Aberdeen was a farce! Brown especially, Power and others get away with far worse. Morelos gets sought out from refs in Scotland.

    Players get away with moaning at refs all the time but you come up against some who book you for it, like his red card in Russia.

    Great talent.
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    Who cares if they're a bigger club than us? So are Leeds in many respects.

    There are massive clubs in this country who aren't successful, being big doesn't = guarantee of finishing high in the league. If you take notice we're currently only 5 points off the title and almost certainly in to a CL quarter final despite not being a massive club, as well as constructing arguably the best stadium in the UK and one of the best in all of Europe. We might not have the history but we do have an incredibly bright future, and there's no reason whatsoever to believe a London club on the up would be less popular to players than a club based in Glasgow who would struggle to even stay up at first.

    You think they'd keep a massive, loyal fanbase when stuck in mid table/relegation spots? Because they aren't immediately challenging the top six. We USED to be a mid table club but for a long time now have been top 4 contenders (the last few years a top 3 side) and no, they wouldn't 'dwarf' us since plenty of bigger clubs in the league are currently struggling to keep pace with us.

    Celtic would be taking a big risk if they moved to the Premier League, it's hugely competitive and unless they were very well run they'd struggle to even finish mid table for a long time. The likes of Wolves and Everton would be a good target, not us. Anyway, this isn't the Celtic thread, I just find it weird how people assume that they'd make it big if they made it to the league, as if plenty of massive clubs haven't struggled in English football. Villa are in the championship at the moment ffs, and struggling there!

    History/fanbase/whatever can end up meaning very little.
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    Also you pointed that Spurs are too far ahead. Well so were United ,Liverpool, Arsenal ,and Chelsea. Yet Spurs were able to break the top 4.
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    By being incredibly well run (in many respects) and by managing to get one of the best managers in the world at the club, not by some god given right to challenge the top six.

    It took us a lot of time and development to get to where we are, and it took plenty of failures along the way. Celtic would have a shot if they were in the league, but would be far from guaranteed anything at all just because of their fanbase or past.
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    Clubs have ups and downs. If Celtic were in the league for 20+ years you dont think at some point Spurs would return to normality and drop down a bit? and go thru and spells? Look at United look at Arsenal look at Pool it happens and I agree with you Spurs have a great future and are a growing club but if Celtic had the same luxury as Spurs did Eventually and it would take years but they would pass Spurs and if we got Hypothetically and say Celtic were put in the league in year 2000 then right now I believe Celtic would be ahead of Spurs.
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    We might drop down a bit at points, but again, there's no guarantee at all of what would happen if you stuck Celtic in the league. You're acting like it's inevitable they'd challenge the top six, when really it would be a colossal task and take them being very well run to achieve it, despite their fanbase.

    So you believe Celtic would be challenging for the Premier League title?
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    Of course nothing is guaranteed like I said over time just as Spurs did they would pass you guys and the history of the club would help in that regards like I said " playing for Celtic and in Celtic park" in the EPL is would be a massive attraction.
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    If they joined the league in 2000? probably not but they would be a champions league spot contender no doubt.
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    Playing in the best stadium in the country won't be though?

    Anyway this thread has been taken well off topic .. it's about Morelos :lol:. Happy to continue over PM or whatever but don't want to further derail it.
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    Rangers were getting record breaking crowds in tier 4 of Scotland. Absurd to claim either fanbase would drop, would increase in the PL actually.
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    I second this.
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    Match going fans wouldn't drop at all, but if Celtic were mid table/struggling with relegation they wouldn't maintain a huge worldwide fanbase.

    If we're talking about match goers, our revenue from the new stadium will far exceed anything Celtic could earn at Celtic Park, even if they were in the Premier League.
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    Yes but Celtic park is still a more historic venue just as Anfield is for example even if Spurs have the most modern stadium in the country I reckon players would want to play in Old Trafford or Anfield more.

    Either way I agree we derailed this massively:lol:

    Also don't take it the wrong way I was not trying to have a Dig at Your club I actually respect what Spurs have done and how they have come up but it Is an opinion I have had about the big 2 Scottish clubs.
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    Spurs new ground looks absolutely fantastic btw. Hope to visit it at some point.
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    This seems unlikely, surely just a fan bias thing?

    I'll confess to only watching him play a few times, but whilst he's been dangerous he also appears to be a massive manchild to me. Constantly acting like a complete tosser and I don't know how many clubs would be willing to risk having that on board.
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    Scored in EL group stage and against Maribor. Wrong goal given offside in Moscow. He has and can score in big games.

    Dembele did it in CL and in Old firm games which gives him a higher value. Personally I think Morelos has shown a better alround game and would score for fun in a superior Celtic side that Dembele was in.
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    Pukki was a bit of a mess earlier on in his career. He admits himself he wasn’t motivated and was rarely fit. No way Celtic walks that league.
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    He's thick as shit and loses his temper. What those videos don't show are the absolute sitters he misses.

    He's decent, but he's not amazing in my opinion. His temperament is shite.
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    Rangers fan here seen this thread linked on our forums. Just wanted to chip in with my opinion

    Morelos is absolutely fantastic and has improved 10fold under Gerrard. I have no doubts in my mind he will go on to be one of the best strikers in the world. The pace at which he's improving and his age is remarkable.

    Only mbappe and Messi are ahead of him in goal contributions this season which alone speaks volumes and that's with Morelos missing quite a lot of games and not taking any penalties. He has also had about 4 goals disallowed wrongly offside. People will say it's only the Scottish League but if it was that simple why isn't anyone else doing what he is?

    He does have a bit of a temper but IMO it's not as simple as that, a few of his red cards were unjust and his reputation precedes him. His most recent redcard for example was a result of his leg being hooked up by McKennas foot & when McKenna tried to boot Morelos in the face the way he done it lifted his body towards Morelos feet which made it look like a stamp but it's clear he just tried to get his feet away but was tangled. He does have a temper, but it's Scotland and the country is fierce he gets kicked about on the pitch and full of racist crap which only fuels his temper imo then you take into consideration that he's the best striker in the league by far so teams go out his way to rile him up, he wasn't like this when he played in Finland so I believe a large part of it is due to how he's treated here but that's no excuse for the way he lashes out sometimes. But I do believe in another league he wouldn't have these problems as much as he does here.

    I hope we keep him for another season and he continues to improve under Gerrard but honestly he's far too good for us and to be paying at this level. He came from a background of poverty aswell and sends half of his paycheck back home to his family and wants to play in the premier League.

    The £20m or so we might get for him will be an absolute steal for any team and we won't be able to replace him for that kinda money. An ideal situation would be for us to sell him to a top league for cheap and they lend him back to us for another season or 2 for him to reach a standard where he might start .

    We play very similar to liverpool so I wouldn't be surprised if Gerrard is trying to pull strings to get Liverpool to take a gamble on him as I think he would fit in there perfectly .
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    A shit Costa.
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    So Celtic and Rangers are top of the Championship...what about the teams their players are ‘starring’ against?
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    Pukki developed into a whole new player, both physically and mentally, between 2014 and 2018. Thus he’s not really an indicator of the quality of these two leagues.

    Morelos is like a budget Suarez or Costa. He comes with less footballing ability and more frequent idiotic behaviour. Could definitely play in a better league if he matures a bit.
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    That video just reminds me of Aguero.
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    Looking at his four goals scored last night he has a real resemblance of Chicharito! Could be a great rotation option?

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    I’ve no idea why anyone thinks they would be a top 6 club. They wouldn’t have more money than most of the teams in the league and their fan base is overstated. I’ve also no idea why you think any player would be inclined to play for them over another side. Players only sign for them currently because they offer champions league football.
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    I dont mean if they joined next year I mean if they were in the league for a number of years.
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    I don't think Celtic fans realise how much amusement you have given to all Finnish fans in last couple of years.
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    I know, there’s no justification for them becoming a top 6 club long term though.
    I used to think the same in the past (I’m Scottish) but realistically it just wouldn’t happen. Their attendance is basically 10x most clubs in the SPL, would be average/good in England. Their fan base isn’t as big as what is made out. Yes they’re a big club but in comparison to englush clubs, they aren’t near.
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    Not convinced they would but you’re obviously going to disagree given the bhoy in your username. Are they a more attractive club than the likes of Leeds? Their budget would probably be similar and Leeds have had massive issues getting out of the league. The current squad is top championship/lower prem at absolute best as well.
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    They absolutely would have more money than most teams. I have no idea why you would think that.

    Again, I have no idea why you would think their fan base is overstated. They can fill their 60,000 stadium when they want to and have a ridiculous global ex-pat support.

    There are plenty of reasons players would want to sign for them: money, living in Scotland, fame, history...

    They’d essentially be the Scottish National team (steady) with the spending power of a BPL club, a global fanbase which would attract incredible sponsorship figures, and the history of a European Cup winner.

    Any concerns about Spurs, other than for an initial couple of years, are hilarious.
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    Oh yeah man every footballer wants to live in Scotland over London :lol:.

    You realise Celtic are a much smaller club than Arsenal, right? Who are a capital city club with immense resources, a stadium which pisses all over Celtic Park and European football. Yet it's likely to be the third year in a row they're behind us, but somehow Spurs would only be a concern for Celtic for 'an initial couple of years' ? Seriously, what inspires this level of utter delusion. There's no other way to describe how much you overrate Celtic's global reach, Nottingham Forest are European champions and it's not doing them much good.

    We're a top 3 team in England right now, even massive clubs with insane resources like Chelsea, Arsenal and fecking Manchester United struggle to keep up with us right now, what planet are you living on where Celtic could arrive and within 2 seasons build a top 4 challenging squad? Our revenue with European football/the new stadium etc would dwarf a Celtic side who would be arriving with no Europe to play in, and a squad which right now would see them relegated from the top division.

    Who gives a feck if they'd be a Scottish national side. Scotland has a population of 3 million less than London. They'd be nowhere near the top six who would have a massive financial advantage over them, and a colossal advantage in terms of the players they'd be starting off with. To even get that Celtic side battling for top six you'd have to spend hundreds of millions to start off with, or you'd need some very clever ownership with a long term plan. Maybe within a decade or so you could get them up there but any idea they could waltz in to the league and start challenging for top four just because they can fill their stadium is such utter, ludicrous bollocks.

    Spurs are the 10th most valuable football club in the world whereas Celtic are what, somewhere in the thirties? That would obviously go up if you stuck them in the Premier League but without HUGE investment in to the squad they'd be a relegation struggler and no club is becoming some global powerhouse battling with Burnley with Scott Brown as their captain.
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    Not every, but if you automatically assume every footballer would rather live in London than Scotland then I’m a little bit worried.

    You are aware of the financial difference provided in the BPL as opposed to the Scottish Premiership? Celtic’s global reach is on the basis of Scottish/Irish ex-pats not due to a European Cup.

    You’ve written too much to respond to, suffice to say it might take a couple of years but you can get the likes of Burnley, Bournemouth, Wolves and Watford that can settle in quickly.

    Edit: should actually express, however, that my view remains Spurs will return to mediocrity in a couple of years. Any view they have a significant future as a top four side is the most delusion in here by a distance.
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    I was going to write a post in response to this .. but then read this and realised there's no point. That and this thread has already been dominated too much by the question of whether Celtic could mix it up in England.

    Honestly, we could continue to be in the top 4 every season for the next decade and people would still be calling us mid table and swearing blind we'll return there in good time.
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    Morelos doesn't really score in the big games, Rangers fans actually believe he is a better player than Moussa Dembele and therefore worth more than the £20M Lyon paid for him last summer.
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    Do Colombia ever call him up?
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    His posture, running and shoot technique reminds me of Eto'o.
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    Are Celtic more attractive a club as Leeds? Yes, they are.

    Firstly Celtic were the first British club to win the European cup. The Lisbon Lions squad consisted of all but one of their 15 born within 10 miles of Celtic Park. That along with the rest of their rich history makes them a much more attractive prospect than Leeds or any other club in the Championship (bar Nottingham Forrest possibly). Not to mention their stadium and phenomenal support world wide adding to their appeal.
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    That was six years ago. Players change. They can improve.
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    He's Premier League level without a doubt. I can guarantee you that guys like Umar Niasse aren't as good.

    This young guy is being talked about by the Colombia manager in the same sentence as Radamel Falcao when he said he'd be watching both play.

    There was a point a couple weeks ago where the only 2 players to have created more goals than Morelos in Europe was Lionel Messi, and another player I've forgotten.

    This is considering that Morelos has had red cards this season, as well as not taking penalties.

    A £15-20 million plus player, Rangers already turned down a 6-10 million approx. Bid from China last season before his form has been red hot when he's improved under Gerrard