NoPace
Full Member
- Joined
- Jan 20, 2014
- Messages
- 9,409
Young Giggs is just clarifying it's fast Giggs not genius Giggs. It certainly isn't Ashley Young.probably not if they’re allowed pick 12 players
Young Giggs is just clarifying it's fast Giggs not genius Giggs. It certainly isn't Ashley Young.probably not if they’re allowed pick 12 players
Hard to argue with that, equal measure of guile and grit. I’d probably take Cancelo instead of TAA, controversial I know, and maybe Vidic over VVD because of the familiarity with Rio. That said, your team is superb.It's incredibly difficult because of so many great players that have played in the past and my childhood nostalgia bias affecting me, so I make myself a rule of maximum 3 players from each team, otherwise I'm gonna put like 8-9 United players.
--------------------------------------Cech---------------------------------
TAA--------------Rio----------------------VVD------------------Cole
-----------------------Keane--------------Kante------------------------
------------------------------------KDB-------------------------------------
Salah---------------------------------------------------------Ronaldo
-------------------------------Henry---------------------------------------
Cancelo would be brilliant as well, but with CR7 on the left, it's hard to not think about TAA feeding cross after cross to him, not that Cancelo isn't an excellent crosser, just TAA has slight edge in this case for meHard to argue with that, equal measure of guile and grit. I’d probably take Cancelo instead of TAA, controversial I know, and maybe Vidic over VVD because of the familiarity with Rio. That said, your team is superb.
You’ve swayed me. TAA/Salah is even better than Azpi / Robben. Not as good defensively, but that XI would constantly have the ball anyway.It's incredibly difficult because of so many great players that have played in the past and my childhood nostalgia bias affecting me, so I make myself a rule of maximum 3 players from each team, otherwise I'm gonna put like 8-9 United players.
--------------------------------------Cech---------------------------------
TAA--------------Rio----------------------VVD------------------Cole
-----------------------Keane--------------Kante------------------------
------------------------------------KDB-------------------------------------
Salah---------------------------------------------------------Ronaldo
-------------------------------Henry---------------------------------------
I think most people associate Robben with Bayern, he was good at Chelsea but become something special (arguably top 3/5 player in the world) there. If we're talking about PL performance only then don't think he would make anybody's list. True, you don't need to worry about losing possession because you'll have Keane and Kante chasing and hounding the opposition every timeYou’ve swayed me. TAA/Salah is even better than Azpi / Robben. Not as good defensively, but that XI would constantly have the ball anyway.
Apart from Cancelo, Neville and TAA, I struggle to name other top right back. Maybe Azpilicueta or Walker, they're still a tad below for me personallyI think there’re a couple of players you have to include. Ferdinand, Scholes and Henry stood out for me but Kante is a very smart inclusion if you’re playing a midfield three.
Interesting seeing Alexander-Arnold included in so many teams but when you think about it, apart from Gary Neville who else is there?
Absolutely love this but Keane over Viera for me. That team would be tremendously hard to beat.To spice things up a little I'll go 3-5-2, with a few explanations below:
Pre-Helmet CechCech: I think pre injury he was absolutely unreal. Was tempted to put Ederson purely for his on ball ability.
Carvalho - - Terry - - van Dijk
Cancelo - - Kante - Vieira - - 2010 Bale
D.Silva
Suarez - - Henry
Bench: Ederson; Azpilicueta, Evra; Scholes, Keane; Ronaldo, Rooney,
Carvalho: Wanted an aggressive right sided CB who could also come out with the ball and deliver crosses from deep. Didn't really see Carvalho doing the latter but couldn't think of anyone else?
Kante+Vieira: Inspired by Kante's partnership with Matic. Matic was the deeper of the two, but neither really was purely holding like a Gilberto Silva/Fernandinho. Both took turns in driving forward when they could and generally had a fantastic partnership. I feel Vieira is a better version of Prime Matic.
Cancelo: No TAA you say? Never really been convinced of him when at wingback for England. Also prefer a better retainer in this position which Cancelo is. Like TAA he's a fantastic passer of the ball.
2010 Bale: This one is a stretch, but it's the Bale we saw under 'arry where he played LM/LW and famously rinsed Inter Milan & Maicon over 2 legs. In a 4atb formation A.Cole would've been in no question but I don't think he was good enough going forward to play in a 3.
David Silva: While Bale & Henry would do damage from the left side mainly, Silva will gravitate to the right from the 10 and occupy positions between the lines.
Suarez+Henry: No explanation needed really, both fantastic players. I felt Henry had to be in the team no matter what but wouldn't really work as a lone striker, so Suarez partners him with his graft and unpredictability.
This isn't a possession side, more of a direct and aggressive team which favours athleticism with a touch of flair. Feel it has a great mix of the two and would do well.
No keeper? That’s bold!Azpi Rio Kompany Van-Dijk Cole
Yaya Keane Kante
Silva Henry
They don’t have the deepest historical knowledge (even going back to the 90’s), which is a bit of a shame.Couple of surprises in that OP video. All of them have VDV . Can't believe people have such short memories when it comes to CBs.Someone also said , Fernandinho is better than Makele .
Nice concept though. Rather than the best available players, they are trying to get the best players to fit the team.
Gerrard at RB was funny. I would have taken Beckham instead. Bale at leftback is also something I don't agree.
For that team you need a holding midfielder, not a runner. It’s be like putting Casemiro in place of Busquets behind Xavi and Iniesta (which won’t be an improvement even if, in your case, Kanté is a better player than Fernandinho).-Fernandinho can be improved. Probably Kante since he'd kill counter attacks and is underrated as a short passer.
No need with the defence!No keeper? That’s bold!
Nah, Kante could improve under Pep and be brilliant as a holder. He often has to hold for France and mostly looks very good. Fernandinho didn't play as a lone 6 at Shaktar and becoming one worked out well. I think there's a few deeper midfielders who would outperform Fernandinho if they had Pep and that team around them, even though he's a fine player. I think he's a Carrick level type, and you're better off picking whichever truly great #8 (Keane, Kante, Vieira) would, like Fernandinho, become a great #6 under Pep than settling for a very good 8 who became a very good 6 under him.For that team you need a holding midfielder, not a runner. It’s be like putting Casemiro in place of Busquets behind Xavi and Iniesta (which won’t be an improvement even if, in your case, Kanté is a better player than Fernandinho).
Yes. My team.No Roy Keane or Scholes and Viera on the bench? Goodnight sir.
I like some of your choices but I think my Wenger team would be more pure 4-4-2 like this:Manager - Wenger
Cech
Sagna Ferdinand Carvalaho Cole
Toure Alonso
Salah KDB Henry
Suarez
Probably this team would be too offensive, and Wenger's philosophy generally did not involve intense collective pressing from the front. But they'd undoubtedly score plenty whilst playing intriciate passing football.
Are you playing last man back?Azpi Rio Kompany Van-Dijk Cole
Yaya Keane Kante
Silva Henry
Yeah, my guess is most top coaches would end up picking Cole at LB so they could go with Alexander-Arnold or Cancelo, but some would go with Azpilicueta or Neville and some would even end up 3 at the back because then you get to pick one of the attacking types like Alexander-Arnold or Cancelo at wingback, Bale at LWB and an incredible back 3 of Ferdinand, Van Dijk and whichever of the dominant aerial types (Terry, Campbell or Vidic) they prefer.I think there’re a couple of players you have to include. Ferdinand, Scholes and Henry stood out for me but Kante is a very smart inclusion if you’re playing a midfield three.
Interesting seeing Alexander-Arnold included in so many teams but when you think about it, apart from Gary Neville who else is there?
I don't believe this personally but fair enough.Nah, Kante could improve under Pep and be brilliant as a holder. He often has to hold for France and mostly looks very good. Fernandinho didn't play as a lone 6 at Shaktar and becoming one worked out well. I think there's a few deeper midfielders who would outperform Fernandinho if they had Pep and that team around them, even though he's a fine player. I think he's a Carrick level type, and you're better off picking whichever truly great #8 (Keane, Kante, Vieira) would, like Fernandinho, become a great #6 under Pep than settling for a very good 8 who became a very good 6 under him.
You might be right. I'm making the same mistake Lampard did in theory with Kante, but I think a few months under Pep and he'd be the equivalent of Kyle Walker is at RB for them in terms of killing off counter attacks. Fabinho has done a good job at it but I think Kante's the kind of player you fit in for his mentality and such.I don't believe this personally but fair enough.
France doesn't have a holder but out of the two, weirdly enough, it's usually Pogba who stays relatively deeper with Kanté running around and winning the ball back. The roles of a holding midfielder (that Pep's tactics require) and that of a midfield ball-winner are almost completely the opposite. The former needs to stay back at all times and keep the position safe, the latter has freedom to run everywhere he feels the need to to get the ball back — and Kanté is the best in the world in this particular aspect of the game (more so, he's one of, if not the, effective ball-winners ever)... so limiting him to a role that requires him to stay in one particular area is like asking Messi not to dribble.
AbsolutelyAre you playing last man back?