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Think he’s a fantastic player. So much ability. Still probably yet to see the best of him either.
 

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Think he’s a fantastic player. So much ability. Still probably yet to see the best of him either.
Sometimes horrible defensive positioning. He usually makes up for that by having the ridiculuous speed to almost always recover from that, but I think if he learns that he could be a lot more efficient as a player. Now he has to waste a lot of energy due to that issue, just imagine if he could spend that energy on improving his attacks further...
 

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According to ESPN Alphonso Davies has temporarily stopped training after being diagnosed with mild myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle.

Isn't this the same case that happened to Erikseen?
 

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According to ESPN Alphonso Davies has temporarily stopped training after being diagnosed with mild myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle.

Isn't this the same case that happened to Erikseen?
Eriksen/Agüero are different situations. Their issues were congenital.

Davies is just dealing with one of the many possible complications after contracting COVID.
 

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Eriksen/Agüero are different situations. Their issues were congenital.

Davies is just dealing with one of the many possible complications after contracting COVID.
Disclaimer: I really don't want to caues any panic regarding vaccination side effects, but considering - as far as I know - he was vaccinated shortly before, isn't it possible that this might also be a case of the rare vaccine induced myocarditis? Corona being the cause is far more likely, so again: I hope everybody understands what I'm saying here, but I feel like some are jumping to conclusions because they want a certain cause to be the reason. I read about anti vaxxers blaming the vaccine in this case and pro vaxxers blaming solely the virus.
Both seems wrong at this moment and state of knowledge, right?
 

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Disclaimer: I really don't want to caues any panic regarding vaccination side effects, but considering - as far as I know - he was vaccinated shortly before, isn't it possible that this might also be a case of the rare vaccine induced myocarditis? Corona being the cause is far more likely, so again: I hope everybody understands what I'm saying here, but I feel like some are jumping to conclusions because they want a certain cause to be the reason. I read about anti vaxxers blaming the vaccine in this case and pro vaxxers blaming solely the virus.
Both seems wrong at this moment and state of knowledge, right?
To be fair, it'd be the same whether he had the vaccine or COVID. Both seem to have the same effects, with actual COVID probably being worse.
 

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To be fair, it'd be the same whether he had the vaccine or COVID. Both seem to have the same effects, with actual COVID probably being worse.
It seems like vaccine induced myocarditis is a lot less severe than corona induced myocarditis. Basically 9-14 days of resting/medication for it to be healed completely in almost all cases that occured.
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what I've read about it, obviously. I don't really know anything about it.
 

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Disclaimer: I really don't want to caues any panic regarding vaccination side effects, but considering - as far as I know - he was vaccinated shortly before, isn't it possible that this might also be a case of the rare vaccine induced myocarditis? Corona being the cause is far more likely, so again: I hope everybody understands what I'm saying here, but I feel like some are jumping to conclusions because they want a certain cause to be the reason. I read about anti vaxxers blaming the vaccine in this case and pro vaxxers blaming solely the virus.
Both seems wrong at this moment and state of knowledge, right?
It is a very rare side affect of the vaccine, that's stated in all the reading materials they give you when you get it, as well as official websites online. I know people are quick to want to cancel you for even suggesting that the vaccine causes any negative effects, but it's just like any other medication so to speak, there are possibly side effects and people shouldn't be afraid to state that because the vaccine is so politicised. He'll get over it, it will just take some time, like any side effect, it won't be permanent

Either way, be it COVID or vaccine related, hope he makes a full recovery quickly
 

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Disclaimer: I really don't want to caues any panic regarding vaccination side effects, but considering - as far as I know - he was vaccinated shortly before, isn't it possible that this might also be a case of the rare vaccine induced myocarditis? Corona being the cause is far more likely, so again: I hope everybody understands what I'm saying here, but I feel like some are jumping to conclusions because they want a certain cause to be the reason. I read about anti vaxxers blaming the vaccine in this case and pro vaxxers blaming solely the virus.
Both seems wrong at this moment and state of knowledge, right?
The problem is that many side effects of the vaccine and the virus are pretty similar, which isn't surprising because the vaccine is pretty much a mild version of the virus. That being said, logic dicatetes and studies have shown that the chance of catching most of the side effects that are shared between vaccine and virus are 8 times more likely to occur due to the virus. Check the current Joe Rogan controversy, where he doesn't believe the findings of said study. As long as the doctors don't say what caused it I wouldn't make a guess either way though.
 

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In Germany under 30 year old men only get vaxxed with Biontech. The chance of myocarditis after the vaccination is 5 in 100.000 men in that age group.

Whereas the chance to get Myocarditis is far higher when you have had a Covid infection.

He just tested negative after having a Covid infection. The chance is by far higher that the infection is the culprit and not the vax.
 

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It is a very rare side affect of the vaccine, that's stated in all the reading materials they give you when you get it, as well as official websites online. I know people are quick to want to cancel you for even suggesting that the vaccine causes any negative effects, but it's just like any other medication so to speak, there are possibly side effects and people shouldn't be afraid to state that because the vaccine is so politicised. He'll get over it, it will just take some time, like any side effect, it won't be permanent

Either way, be it COVID or vaccine related, hope he makes a full recovery quickly
Yeah, I agree. It's very hard to voice some of these aspects beause of the categorical hate against anti vaxxers. People tend to jump the gun and therefor associate even the slightest critical thought with someone being a covidiot, which I absolutely am not.

The problem is that many side effects of the vaccine and the virus are pretty similar, which isn't surprising because the vaccine is pretty much a mild version of the virus. That being said, logic dicatetes and studies have shown that the chance of catching most of the side effects that are shared between vaccine and virus are 8 times more likely to occur due to the virus. Check the current Joe Rogan controversy, where he doesn't believe the findings of said study. As long as the doctors don't say what caused it I wouldn't make a guess either way though.
Obviously you should never not get the corona vaccine because you fear its side effects. Corona is far worse, every study shows, even for healthy people.

Hopefully Davies recovers quick and this illness doesn't cause too much trouble for him. It's a very serious condition, even if most people recover quickly, but the impact this can have ranges from death to not being affected long term at all.
 

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In Germany under 30 year old men only get vaxxed with Biontech. The chance of myocarditis after the vaccination is 5 in 100.000 men in that age group.

Whereas the chance to get Myocarditis is far higher when you have had a Covid infection.

He just tested negative after having a Covid infection. The chance is by far higher that the infection is the culprit and not the vax.
Try telling that to Joe Rogan
 

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I just think that people should be careful if they see that even the young soccer players have problems after Covid infections. And Bayern got really careful with their players, takes it slow and double checks on them. The problems of Davies weren't found in the first examination that took place when he came out of quarantine 3 days ago - but yesterday with the second check.

In December both Kimmich and Choupo-Moting had lung issues after getting out of quarantine and had to wait a week and the next checkup to start training - now Davies. Of the 9 players that were positive last week only Tolisso (and maybe Neuer) seem to have no issues at all.

Normal people do not get checked so thoroughly after their infections...
 

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In Germany under 30 year old men only get vaxxed with Biontech. The chance of myocarditis after the vaccination is 5 in 100.000 men in that age group.

Whereas the chance to get Myocarditis is far higher when you have had a Covid infection.

He just tested negative after having a Covid infection. The chance is by far higher that the infection is the culprit and not the vax.
Just FYI that it's called the Pfizer vaccine outside Germany. ;)
 

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I just think that people should be careful if they see that even the young soccer players have problems after Covid infections. And Bayern got really careful with their players, takes it slow and double checks on them. The problems of Davies weren't found in the first examination that took place when he came out of quarantine 3 days ago - but yesterday with the second check.

In December both Kimmich and Choupo-Moting had lung issues after getting out of quarantine and had to wait a week and the next checkup to start training - now Davies. Of the 9 players that were positive last week only Tolisso (and maybe Neuer) seem to have no issues at all.

Normal people do not get checked so thoroughly after their infections...
You are right, and the point everyone should consider is simply this: Take your time when recovering. Don't immediately start exhausting sports or similar activities once you feel better, but give it a week or two in case you have those unnoticed complications, so that they can heal, too.
 

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Disclaimer: I really don't want to caues any panic regarding vaccination side effects, but considering - as far as I know - he was vaccinated shortly before, isn't it possible that this might also be a case of the rare vaccine induced myocarditis? Corona being the cause is far more likely, so again: I hope everybody understands what I'm saying here, but I feel like some are jumping to conclusions because they want a certain cause to be the reason. I read about anti vaxxers blaming the vaccine in this case and pro vaxxers blaming solely the virus.
Both seems wrong at this moment and state of knowledge, right?
Not sure that “both is wrong” so much as “both is wright”. Damage to the myocardial after covid infection is long established and was being discussed long before vaccines were available. Particularly with young male athletes. We also know it’s a recognised (very rare) side effect of vaccination. Every time there’s a high profile case the commentators on social media tend to choose a cause based on whatever side of the covid culture war they happen to be on.
 

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Just FYI that it's called the Pfizer vaccine outside Germany. ;)
Just FYI we take great pride in our german brothers of turkish heritage who invented this vaccine, which is why a (normal) german would never even consider saying "pfizer vaccine"
 

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Not sure that “both is wrong” so much as “both is wright”. Damage to the myocardial after covid infection is long established and was being discussed long before vaccines were available. Particularly with young male athletes. We also know it’s a recognised (very rare) side effect of vaccination. Every time there’s a high profile case the commentators on social media tend to choose a cause based on whatever side of the covid culture war they happen to be on.
that's exactly what I was trying to say. Thanks for putting it into better words!
 

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Just FYI we take great pride in our german brothers of turkish heritage who invented this vaccine, which is why a (normal) german would never even consider saying "pfizer vaccine"
I know. :) The Johnson & Johnson vaccine is referred to as Janssen in the Netherlands because it was developed by J&J's Janssen subsidiary based in Leiden. :)
 
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I know. :) The Johnson & Johnson vaccine is referred ti asJanssen in the Netherlands because it was developed by J&J's Janssen subsidiary based in Leiden. :)
don't think we'd take pride in that vaccine though ;)
 

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Disclaimer: I really don't want to caues any panic regarding vaccination side effects, but considering - as far as I know - he was vaccinated shortly before, isn't it possible that this might also be a case of the rare vaccine induced myocarditis? Corona being the cause is far more likely, so again: I hope everybody understands what I'm saying here, but I feel like some are jumping to conclusions because they want a certain cause to be the reason. I read about anti vaxxers blaming the vaccine in this case and pro vaxxers blaming solely the virus.
Both seems wrong at this moment and state of knowledge, right?
And just like that, pandora box's sealing was no more.