Bit annoying he didn't get even 10 minutes.
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The thing is he can't do worse than VDB. He should be getting atleast some minutes.
Blame Ole man. VDB played a 0/10 on the wing for the entire game.
I don't get the obsession with playing a CM who isn't good enough to play there out wide just to fit him in.
Just play a winger out wide FFS.
Yep, I've seen people mention him as a reason not to buy a winger in other threads but you can't be pinning that much hope on a guy who I don't think has ever started a professional football match and who clearly the manager and his staff don't think is ready to be consistently involved even in less pressurised situations.
You’d think so but the fact he’s not getting any minutes at all suggests that he’s a long time away from breaking into our line up. It’s strange as he looks a level above U23 but Ole seems very reluctant to play him so I’m assuming there must be a reason.
I doubt it man. With some managers pecking order just reigns supreme more times than not.
Not sure what value there was to bringing on Mata, he has no business being here and he's in his 30s.
Exactly, unless something dramatically changes between now and next season then right wing remains a priority for me.
As I have said several times, he is the most cautious manager we have had. He's so scared of losing that he can't risk it. Do people still think he gives youth a chance?
You'd think the Milan goal was worth a decent chunk of EL minutes.
Like I said, a loan is probably needed. We’ll only sign more players this summer, and it’ll be more names ahead of him. It’s all well and good that he’s considered a first team option, but what he needs minutes on a football pitch.
It’s annoying because surely there’s no harm in giving him a 15 minute run out when Martial and Janes are out injured, Rashford’s only 50% fit and VDB is dropping a stinker. He’s 19 in 2 months so he’s hardly a baby.
Yeah it's actually mad he hasn't got a minute since. Clear Ole is a pecking order manager. That said I doubt Dony sees another minute in the wing after that shitshow
Cant believe he didnt get some minutes, rubbish from ole imo
Still wouldn't loan him.
The way I see it is Mata will probably be gone. VDB will surely never see a minute on the wing again.
And I'm confident he can overtake James given the chance.
Still hope we sign Sancho too but I'm confident he can earn minutes
The way I see it is Mata will probably be gone. VDB will surely never see a minute on the wing again.
And I'm confident he can overtake James given the chance.
Still hope we sign Sancho too but I'm confident he can earn minutes
We could have Bellingham and he would get zero minutes.
You can't earn more minutes if you don't get more minutes. If a player never plays he can't earn the right to play. His situation between now and August 14th (Season beginning) will be almost identical insofar as experience is concerned, so, the only change we can expect is some kind of physical one with a pre-season of strength and conditioning with the club's specialist.
10 minutes at the end of a dead end game isn't going to mean much.
Ole is taking his time with him, this season is just about bedding in... Next season we'll see a lot more sub appearances from him.
unfortunate he didn't get minutes, i think Matic should have started and Pogba at LW to allow us to finish off Roma so we can bring in subs to rest key players and Amad gets 30+ mins on the pitch
This 100%.
I don't want jump the gun with this one as he's barely been here longer than 5 minutes but ... he's 19 in a few months, usually the time players either break into the first team from the academy or get moved on so he definitely wasn't''t purchased to play in the youth for a year or two and then move into the first team at that price,
I think their has been some great opportunities to play Amad and Ole chose against it and the time when he was forced to play he scored a fantastic goal, i do think it's a weak part of Ole's management , there is no excuse not to have given Donny for example more minutes this season unless he is god awful in training,
You don't spend 30-40m on players to have them sit on the bench 95% of the time, no one can convince me otherwise and i would love an example of any other clubs doing it,
If Jude Bellingham signed for us 110% he would barely have had a sniff at this first team this season, you just hope it doesn't become that bad where it becomes off putting for youngsters we want to sign.
I think their has been some great opportunities to play Amad and Ole chose against it and the time when he was forced to play he scored a fantastic goal, i do think it's a weak part of Ole's management , there is no excuse not to have given Donny for example more minutes this season unless he is god awful in training,
You don't spend 30-40m on players to have them sit on the bench 95% of the time, no one can convince me otherwise and i would love an example of any other clubs doing it,
If Jude Bellingham signed for us 110% he would barely have had a sniff at this first team this season, you just hope it doesn't become that bad where it becomes off putting for youngsters we want to sign.
You could probably make a decent-sized wig out of all the hair we've torn out waiting to see him play.
Good point. Potential young signings could see this and go: 'There's no way I'm getting minutes if Amad freaking Diallo isn't.'
Think its pretty clear oles taking his time with him, thats the problem, you'd think he was 14 and never kicked a football before the way posts like this make out...30 minutes tonight would of been good for him, and we'd still be in the final if he got them, despite the 2 donkeys ole brought on at fullbacks best efforts.
Ole is a coward, that much is obvious. The fact he dares not change the team, rest Bruno, make early subs, give unused players a run out in dead rubber games etc. I actually laughed when I saw Rashford ready to come on tonight at the first sign of trouble.
Ole has nobody else to blame for the lack of progress for some players, other than himself.
Ole has nobody else to blame for the lack of progress for some players, other than himself.
I think the reason he was not involved tonight is because he's fasting. He has lost some weight combined that he's tiny already. Also, it's possible Ole thought he might not be able to cope with the intensity of the game having not eaten. Pogba struggled as well.
I don't think so, he probably doesn't play certain people because they aren't good enough yet. Greenwood at age 17 or 18 was ready to start for him. Diallo may simply not be as good as hyped - as of now anyway.
I don't think there is a legitimate reason why he's not getting more minutes. Solskjaer is just a risk adverse and overly pragmatic manager in the Mourinho mould who simply won't trust kids in the league and CL. Saka over at Arsenal wouldn't get the same chances under Solskjaer for instance IMO. I mention Saka because I feel Amad is at a similar level talent wise
I think ole would've rested more players if the game against Liverpool wouldn't have been canceled.
I am one of those who wishes Amad got more game time. But I think Ole has earned some leeway given he has done well with quite a few players. Gave Williams his chance, revived Shaw and Fred, has brought along Greenwood nicely to an almost starter spot, gave Shoretire a few minutes, gave Henderson his shot at no.1
We don't have full information. Maybe he is testing Amad. Maybe Amad needs to fix some specific parts to his game...point is we don't know quite a bit and I feel Ole hasnt been completely cowardly like Mourinho for ex.
We don't have full information. Maybe he is testing Amad. Maybe Amad needs to fix some specific parts to his game...point is we don't know quite a bit and I feel Ole hasnt been completely cowardly like Mourinho for ex.
It's a semi final not a dead rubber game and despite having a healthy lead we nearly blew it. It wasn't the game to play Amad.
Ole struggles to change the team because he has a group of people out there determined to get him sacked. His position is constantly on a knife edge.
Once he gets a trophy I think he'll have more freedom to take a few risks.
But anybody who takes the United job can't be called a coward. That's poor.
Anything to have a pop at Ole, right?
A lot of people in here making out Amad is a star player already and deserves his spot. He's barely played any football, even abroad, claiming he's the same level as Saka? Based on what?
Ole sees him every day in training, the kid is apparently fasting currently too, and weren't he supposed to have been on loan this season originally had he been signed in the summer?
People saying he should have started ahead of VDB when everyone has been crying for VDB to finally get a full game too.
Ole sees him every day in training, the kid is apparently fasting currently too, and weren't he supposed to have been on loan this season originally had he been signed in the summer?
People saying he should have started ahead of VDB when everyone has been crying for VDB to finally get a full game too.
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It's a reasonable stance because VDB is certainly not a winger. We are playing him out there just for the sake of it. Not because anyone thinks it will be particularly useful.
If it was a different winger or Pogba playing on the wing over him then we can have no arguments but VDB is awful out wide.
It's not a high bar to beat. VDB was very lucky to stay on. Games just pass him by.
Ok say now you're arguing that VdB isn't good enough, before the game people were desperate for him to start to show if he's good enough.
If I'm not mistaken Pogba started left but quickly went centrally probably to try and get some more control of the game because we were struggling. There is no reason VdB shouldn't be able to play as a left sided no.8 just like Pogba has and he was given the minutes that he needed, important if he's going to feature more in the run-in.
Don't ignore the other points such as fasting, the loan, the training.
I don't think he speaks English either which Ole mentioned, he's been having lessons for to get him ready as quick as possible.
They are clearly giving the kid time to get used to being over here, as mentioned he hasn't even played much at this level even abroad.
Pep must be a big coward too then, see how long it took him to play a star, who was already used to being here, in Foden? Struggle to see much youth between the rest of his team or Klopps.
Cowards the lot of them. Because someone on the internet would have played them.
I think loaning him to too big of a risk. When you see his general play, it's plainly obvious he has a lot of qualities the first team badly needs. He needs to do a lot of work over the summer.
When you think we should be challenging for the title next season, which is the next sign of 'progression'. I can't see Ole playing him next season much at all either, other than the odd cup game. He needs a loan, that would do him the world of good.
Hopefully he'll get an opportunity to make his league debut in the next few days given Ole said we need to use the whole squad and Dan James is unavailable.
No doubt the plan is to put a few more pounds of muscle on him over the summer. I can't see any reason he is being held back apart from his physique
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