ETH has not shown to have huge gonads when it comes to trying the kids out instead of his usual suspects.
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Slim chance
You don’t know that, he might have enormous ovaries.
Stupidity is the word you’re looking for, I think. When you have 9-10 players injured and badly need the team to gel better and get the playing foundations established, experimenting on top of that with a youth player rusty from injury is called ‘stupidity’.
There’s no chance we see him getting minutes anytime soon. Mainoo has been in training for a while now and does not even get a few minutes here and there - that too when we are crying out for controlling midfielders. ETH prefers to stick with the seniors
He’s 21, a full senior international, and won 4 individual awards in the Championship. He’s not a youth player.
Would be excited if we had a manager that gives young players a chance
Nonsensical. Garnacho? Hojlund?
Then a myriad of players at Ajax: Timber, De Ligt, De Jong, and probably loads more.
What young players should have been given a chance that haven't this season in your opinion? And bear in mind, this isn't Football Manager
That is certainly one way to phrase it, if you think of youth as an age, and experience as a title. In the context, I was more thinking about his experience than his age, tbh.
You could also say that he’s played 167 mins of PL football for Man Utd and 37 Serie A mins for Atalanta, and 180 mins of European football for Man Utd and Rangers together. His ‘full international senior’ title could be rephrased as being subbed in for a sum of 79 mins in AFCON qualifiers and 59 mins of friendlies for Cote d’Ivoire.
This equates to about 5 1/2 games of adult football at a level vaguely close to where he is supposed to come in, which I guess it’s fair to say there are 18 and 19 year olds with favorably comparably experience at the level we’re talking of.
He last played a competitive game for this team one and a half year ago, never played for this manager or under this system, lacks most of a preseason and has not played a competitive game in six months.
Thus, in the context of 9-10 players injured and a team that desperately needs to be able to find their relations to make the system work at least a bit, This is the situation where you keep as much consistency as you can, even at a cost of form. It is not the situation where you try out or blood in an extra player with ‘youth level experience’, to put it that way. That wouldn’t be brave, it would be unintelligent.
Of course, Amad may be tearing up the training ground as we speak, showing an eerie understanding with Wan Bissaka and Bruno, and convincing Ten Hag that he has fully grasped all the internal movement and positioning principles through video studies, in which case he’ll probably be getting at least as many chances as Pellistri does. But I think he’s going to have to use them even better than Facundo to convince any coach that he shall comtinue playing ahead of even a dismal form Antony, who at least knows when to overlap defensively and how to bring the ball out of the first third. That’s what I think.
Looking forward to seeing Amad back in full training and ready to challenge for that RW spot as it is more open than I have seen it for quite a while.
Has been open since about 2014 but I get your point!
Any mention of when he might be back?
Most likely go out on loan in January and for the best, he needs to get regular minutes under his belt again.
Last I seen he was doing some light work on his lonesome.
He has been on loan and did really well so no point doing it again.
If we can introduce him slowly to the first team I have no doubt he will offer more than anything we have there at the moment.
Agreed. A loan is pointless. He’s impressed at Sunderland, and the position he plays in doesn’t have a cemented choice. All we are doing is kicking a can down the road of inevitability that the club will sell him if we loan him out again.
Give him a proper chance once he’s fit.
Amad, 21 hasn't played in over 5 months now. It will take a while to get back into form. The question is whether he will get the opportunity/game time under the current conditions.
If Hannibal is an example or the past is prologue; Hannibal has not had consistent playing time to develop. That is the danger.
Hannibal, 20, probably had his best game under ETH then got dropped for another month --- before playing again albeit poorly.
If ETH wants to develop youth at United, firstly he has to take the risk. Then have the courage to let them play through their inherent youthful inconsistencies.
He's not going to be introduced slowly, no matter the way you look at it. There's Garnacho, Rashford, Antony, Pellistri all ahead of him for the RW position. Ten Hag would even play Bruno and Mount there ahead of him. He needs another loan for fitness reasons, a knee injury plus surgery isn't to be taken lightly, it's going to take a while getting back match fit.
Yeap. I think this is a realistic approach.
In Uniteds current malaise there is way too much risk in committing to heavily in our youth players who quote clearly are not quite ready to make the step up yet.
That's why they need to be loaned out even in amads case.
Or you are saying we junk the current academy kids and not bother developing them?
All just complete speculation really.
Neither Garnacho or Rashford are effective on the right. Antony is piss poor and Pellistri isn't good enough either.
Has Garnacho played on the right for us in a competitive game? Apart from the random occasional wing swaps we do, I don't think so. I also seriously doubt Pellistri will be considered ahead of him once he's fit enough to play
This is simply untrue. Ten Hag was notorious for not giving youthplayers a chance. That is not to say he didn’t give any playing time to youth players, like de ligt and timber. Frenkie was 21 when he broke through at Ajax and was amazing from the get go. Followers of the academy had been screaming for 1-2 years to give the guy a chance. So no, he didn’t give playing time to a ‘myriad’ of players.
easily the best coach we had since LvG in the mid-nineties though, mind you. He is badly missed
How did he get the reputation then before coming to United? Pure PR since thats almost a requirement for United.
He certainly hasnt enhanced that PR or perception so far in the time he has been at United.
I remember the Ajax fans warning us about this.
Either way Amad should get a chance right away since our alternatives are all bad.
Shit. I don't remember that.
All I remember was his lack of Plan B and very slow subbing.
Yeah there where a few who mentioned he was very reluctant to give youth from the academy a real shot.
The two things that Ajax fans were saying at the time that stuck in my head was his lack of promoting young players and the fact he seemed to like signing players who he'd worked with previously. Both of which do seem to have continued here. Not that I think many of the youngsters have been in a position to deserve more time than they have got, but Hannibal this season is a definite exception which I haven't been happy about.
If he doesn't get cjances when he returns then you know he won't get any chances here. There is no competition on the right wing. Its up for grabs to anyone willing to take it.
And what, just keep playing the underperforming players (complacent and out of form) and continue the malaise, and therefore, what? Indefinitely defer playing the young players (at least until he gets sacked) because it's too precarious?
I must have been blinded by the excitement of having an actual modern manager coming in!
Agree he needs to grow a pair and invest in Hannibal and Amad. They are the two most talented youth players we have in the squad right now. (Still too early to say for Mainoo.)
As you should've! EtH was one of the hottest prospects in world football at the time, and your first season was pretty good. Just get a good DoF in, don't let EtH get near incoming tranfers and hé can turn it around
First half of the season was good only because of low expectations. Then we went south after Feb and has been since.
So I am a bit disappointed in him. Not seen a United team struggle to score goals as much as ETH's.
Is Amad anywhere near fit yet, because our right side is so unbalanced. It is painful to watch.
If he's that good he would start. Garnacho is a regular for us and Mainoo is getting a start tomorrow according to a lot of reports and Hojlund is our leading striker. Maybe he's just not fit?
I don't think Erik will start him as long as there are senior players who to fit. If any of the 2 of Antony, Garnacho and Rashford, Amad will not play. Erik isn't a manager to trust youth unless you are a world beater. We will probably be seeing Antony start of the right and Rashford on the right with Antony being substituted in the 70 mins who had zero impact on the game. We will be beaten our Everton by 2-1.
Let’s call him a reserve/squad player then.
He’s been injured all season so hard to say whether he would have had minutes or another loan.
he’s just back so I expect he will get a few u23 games under his belt before we see him up for selection in the first team
When’s he back?
I want more positivity.
I want more positivity.