[Oranges038]

He's not a defender and he was shite for their first goal. Butt he still offers more of an attacking threat down the right than we see from the opposite side. The volley and the one cleared off the line.

There was also shot he had in the first half that Sels saved, it would have been goal of the season for me. From the keeper, Bruno megged their player, played up the left and eventually came out to him for the shot. Beautiful move that deserved a goal.

 

[Grande]

He made the mistakes defensively.

On the attacking side, I think credit to Forest for shutting down the wing on the right side. Even Mbeumo had a difficult game and they always had an extra man shutting down each of Amad and Mbeumo.

Amad found a way to score one and almost scored another. I am not sure we can ask more.

As I say, you can ask more from some parts of his game while being pleased with other parts. Yesterday, he almost only had one volley shot that I was really pleased with. And as I said, I’m happy that he was kept on pitch, just because of that possible goal threat, but I wasn’t happy with his general performance. You can assess different parts of the game differently. You though Forest was good at shutting him down, I agree, but I also thought he made it easy for them to shut him and Mbeumo down. He was slow with passing forward, frustrating Mbeumo several times, and passed backwards or passed short into marked players while failing to move himself, helping Forest to crowd that side.

I think him and Mbeumo has done this really well the last few games, so I think it’s more a question of young player being inconsistent than anything to worry about.

 

[Champ]

He the best Manchester United player at the moment and by far.

This is heavily subjective, but Mbuemo, Cunha and Bruno are head and shoulders above him right now in an attacking sense, and De Ligt has been much better in a defensive sense.
Doesn't make Amad a bad player, but to claim what you have I believe is wide of the mark, but as I say it's subjective.

 

[Ole'sgunnarwin]

He has potential but it feels like we've been saying this for a while now. He shines sporadically and after a point it becomes his issue, not because of everyone else. Don't get me wrong, I rate him, but I'm pushing back against what seems like him being very overrated here. He's been lauded for ages by some here without him really doing much to justify it. If he can start putting it all together consistently, great. Until then he just seems like a moments player that has a tendency to fade in and out of games.

For you, who were your top 3 United performers last season?

 

[FrankDrebin]

Mbuemo, Bruno, Amad, Shaw, De Ligt and Casemiro have been our best performers so far. Cunha's been so-so.

 

[UnitedRepublic]

You're arguing against yourself. He's poor doing the defensive work, so half of his job is being done badly.

Of course he will be poor in the air he’s never been a defender of course he will be bad in defense more often than not he’s not a defender. He’s a great attacker who’s development is getting stunted. For the sake of the formation. He’s 3 years younger than Mbuemo and if he gets the chance to play his real position in 3 years time there will be no case about who’s the best attacker in this team.

 

[Pickle85]

For you, who were your top 3 United performers last season?

Probably Bruno, Yoro, Amad/Maguire

 

[Pickle85]

Of course he will be poor in the air he’s never been a defender of course he will be bad in defense more often than not he’s not a defender. He’s a great attacker who’s development is getting stunted. For the sake of the formation. He’s 3 years younger than Mbuemo and if he gets the chance to play his real position in 3 years time there will be no case about who’s the best attacker in this team.

Who mentioned in the air? He was just poor defensively. It's always been 'if he gets X, just give him a few years' but he's still yet to produce consistently

 

[CMRobbo7]

He’s been a first team regular for just over 12 months and in that time, and from his position he’s shown That he can be a talisman for this team. He really hasn’t got the credit he has deserved.

He’s turned more games around in the last twelve months than anyone else, in ways nobody else has….yet this gets ignored.

City away last season, he transformed that game for us.
Southampton at home 2-0 down. Hattrick. Phenomenal.
Liverpool away last season, getting us a massive point in another massive game
Liverpool away this season, an inch perfect pass in the first minute
Yesterday’s game he was a goal line clearance from turning defeat into victory again ‘single-handedly’ as some put it. A remarkable equalizer and so close to winning us the game.

Other contributions such as winning us the winning penalty v Burnley. The penalty we should have had v Brighton.

He’s had a very good start to the season. Deligt, Yoro, Lamens, Mbuemo, Cunha and Amad are the only players who have started the season well at all.

 

[Longsight Red]

Amad should be direct competition to BM. It's not that deep and in reality thats the L10 seemingly solidified for the next 5 years +.

Yes he can play at RWB until the club can improve on that position but it should never be a long term project! Him getting isolated at the back stick would become a feature, he can do a shift not a job in that regard!

 

[Pickle85]

He’s been a first team regular for just over 12 months and in that time, and from his position he’s shown That he can be a talisman for this team. He really hasn’t got the credit he has deserved.

He’s turned more games around in the last twelve months than anyone else, in ways nobody else has….yet this gets ignored.

City away last season, he transformed that game for us.
Southampton at home 2-0 down. Hattrick. Phenomenal.
Liverpool away last season, getting us a massive point in another massive game
Liverpool away this season, an inch perfect pass in the first minute
Yesterday’s game he was a goal line clearance from turning defeat into victory again ‘single-handedly’ as some put it. A remarkable equalizer and so close to winning us the game.

Other contributions such as winning us the winning penalty v Burnley. The penalty we should have had v Brighton.

He’s had a very good start to the season. Deligt, Yoro, Lamens, Mbuemo, Cunha and Amad are the only players who have started the season well at all.

He was awful yesterday, aside from the goal. He's certainly not had the most match changing moments in the last twelve months, either. He's had a handful of performances where he's impressed all game. Most of them he's drifted in and out and struggled to impose himself consistently. He's been ok so far this season, but no better than that. It's not the place for player comparisons really, but there are a couple of others who have started better than him so far.

 

[lost7]

He’s been a first team regular for just over 12 months and in that time, and from his position he’s shown That he can be a talisman for this team. He really hasn’t got the credit he has deserved.

He’s turned more games around in the last twelve months than anyone else, in ways nobody else has….yet this gets ignored.

City away last season, he transformed that game for us.
Southampton at home 2-0 down. Hattrick. Phenomenal.
Liverpool away last season, getting us a massive point in another massive game
Liverpool away this season, an inch perfect pass in the first minute
Yesterday’s game he was a goal line clearance from turning defeat into victory again ‘single-handedly’ as some put it. A remarkable equalizer and so close to winning us the game.

Other contributions such as winning us the winning penalty v Burnley. The penalty we should have had v Brighton.

He’s had a very good start to the season. Deligt, Yoro, Lamens, Mbuemo, Cunha and Amad are the only players who have started the season well at all.

I think the standards are too low, nobody except for De Light has had a "very good start" to the season. And that's reflected in how we were absolutely woeful for 50% of the season so far.

In the last 4 games (since Sunderland), he's definitely been our best player after Mbuemo, though.

 

[lost7]

He was awful yesterday, aside from the goal. He's certainly not had the most match changing moments in the last twelve months, either. He's had a handful of performances where he's impressed all game. Most of them he's drifted in and out and struggled to impose himself consistently. He's been ok so far this season, but no better than that. It's not the place for player comparisons really, but there are a couple of others who have started better than him so far.

Even aside from the goal, I wouldn't say he was awful. He had a good curl attempt in the first half and then almost won us the game at the end with a lovely volley saved on the line. Plus I remember he put in a beautiful cross that deserved to be converted. As a wing back he offered more offensively than our front 3, so if he was "awful", the rest were even worse.

Plus he scored a worldie to save us a point, you don't just put that "aside" like it's something not relevant to his overall performance.

 

[Raven]

Even aside from the goal, I wouldn't say he was awful. He had a good curl attempt in the first half and then almost won us the game at the end with a lovely volley saved on the line. Plus I remember he put in a beautiful cross that deserved to be converted. As a wing back he offered more offensively than our front 3, so if he was "awful", the rest were even worse.

Plus he scored a worldie to save us a point, you don't just put that "aside" like it's something not relevant to his overall performance.

Ludicrous to not factor in a goal, especially one of that quality. He's not like Rashford or Garnacho where they play like amateurs for 90 minutes a week.. he's generally a threat throughout and has had a strong start to the season even if he hasn't been as productive as maybe we would like.

 

[DJ_21]

His goal was a beauty yesterday. He needs to take more shots as he does have a really good left foot

 

[CMRobbo7]

I think the standards are too low, nobody except for De Light has had a "very good start" to the season. And that's reflected in how we were absolutely woeful for 50% of the season so far.

In the last 4 games (since Sunderland), he's definitely been our best player after Mbuemo, though.

Yeah…he’s had a good start, is about fair.

 

[Shark]

He was awful yesterday, aside from the goal. He's certainly not had the most match changing moments in the last twelve months, either. He's had a handful of performances where he's impressed all game. Most of them he's drifted in and out and struggled to impose himself consistently. He's been ok so far this season, but no better than that. It's not the place for player comparisons really, but there are a couple of others who have started better than him so far.

Are you forgetting the two other attempts that could have led to goals? He could have had a hatrick on another day.

 

[Trigestis]

He was awful yesterday, aside from the goal. He's certainly not had the most match changing moments in the last twelve months, either. He's had a handful of performances where he's impressed all game. Most of them he's drifted in and out and struggled to impose himself consistently. He's been ok so far this season, but no better than that. It's not the place for player comparisons really, but there are a couple of others who have started better than him so far.

Now, you're one of the overly harsh Bruno critics

He did score, though, a lovely goal, and almost got us the winner with another excellent volley, only stopped by a haunting goal line clearance.

Last season he had Bruno like numbers in the league in only 20 starts. The only reason he is slightly behind is because he was injured and doesn't take penalties. For someone who is playing out of position, he is doing much better than ok, even if he is a bit weak defensively.

 

[pelterz]

Who mentioned in the air? He was just poor defensively. It's always been 'if he gets X, just give him a few years' but he's still yet to produce consistently

It’s a problem in our defence. Only DeLigt is good in the air. Yoro misses lots and shaw Dalot and Amad are diabolical. It needs as much work as the midfield. Desperately need a big ball playing centre half who can step into midfield.
Amads main issue though is he hasn’t changed from last year. He’s a very good player but his job now is to supply. Think he has a little bit of the rashford/garnacho main character syndrome. Has he put the ball in for Sesko this season?.

 

[Jeffthered]

I am surprised by many comments on here. Amad is a little jewel, a wonderful, young talent, so important for us. He's not a wing-back though, no way and this is where Amorim annoys me. I don't want Amad as a defender.

He should be part of a front four, Cunha, Mbuma, Sesko and Amad, all on rotation.

 

[Lentwood]

I'm fairly certain Amorim doesn't see him or Dalot as our starting WBs going into next season - more likely in the 'make do for now' category with Casemiro, and to a lesser extent, Bruno in CM

 

[Remember the geese]

I'm fairly certain Amorim doesn't see him or Dalot as our starting WBs going into next season - more likely in the 'make do for now' category with Casemiro, and to a lesser extent, Bruno in CM

Fairly certain that Amorim does see Amad as our starting right wing-back for many years to come. I'd like to think Dalot will be sold.

 

[Pickle85]

Are you forgetting the two other attempts that could have led to goals? He could have had a hatrick on another day.

But the thing is, they didn't. He absolutely skied one well high and wide top, which was poor.

Now, you're one of the overly harsh Bruno critics

He did score, though, a lovely goal, and almost got us the winner with another excellent volley, only stopped by a haunting goal line clearance.

Last season he had Bruno like numbers in the league in only 20 starts. The only reason he is slightly behind is because he was injured and doesn't take penalties. For someone who is playing out of position, he is doing much better than ok, even if he is a bit weak defensively.

Hahaha, I know, it's not lost on me either! Maybe I'm being a little harsh, but also it's weird how numbers are used here to back up Amad but when used to do the same with Bruno they apparently don't tell the whole story.

 

[lex talionis]

A goal of the year candidate, but apart from that Anad fantastic. I wish he had a bit more height to compete defensively, or more to compete offensively, but when on his game he’s a great asset for us.

 

[CMRobbo7]

He was awful yesterday, aside from the goal. He's certainly not had the most match changing moments in the last twelve months, either. He's had a handful of performances where he's impressed all game. Most of them he's drifted in and out and struggled to impose himself consistently. He's been ok so far this season, but no better than that. It's not the place for player comparisons really, but there are a couple of others who have started better than him so far.

You could stick Maguire in there to be fair, but in the first instance I’m talking about games we are losing that one player transforms into us winning. Like City and Southampton last season, and almost the same yesterday but for a goal line clearance.

A player taking a grip on the game and turning it around. Who else has done that ?

Secondary to this there’s also games like yesterday where he got us a draw, Liverpool last season, the FA cup winner v the scousers also. Big big moments.

He is a big moments player and much better than you give him credit for.

 

[ThanksBoss26]

Poor start to the season but from the Chelsea game onwards he’s been much better.

 

[CMRobbo7]

I guess it's a game of opinions. For me he isn't close to the top three. He looks tidy and passes the eye test but doesn't impose himself enough on games regularly enough.

You do realise that he was by far our most productive player last season?

He averaged a goal or assist every 118 minutes in the league and every 131 minutes in all comps.

His nearest contender was Bruno, and if you take penalties away then he averaged a goal or assist every 188 mins in the league and every 159 mins in all comps. Even if you leave pens in Amad is still ahead.

Amad was huge for Amorim last season. He had 14 goal involvements in 15 starts. Injury curtailed what would have been a player of the year season unfortunately. Even when he came back at the end of the season there were 2 assists and a goal in the 3 games he started.

 

[lost7]

You do realise that he was by far our most productive player last season?

He averaged a goal or assist every 118 minutes in the league and every 131 minutes in all comps.

His nearest contender was Bruno, and if you take penalties away then he averaged a goal or assist every 188 mins in the league and every 159 mins in all comps. Even if you leave pens in Amad is still ahead.

Amad was huge for Amorim last season. He had 14 goal involvements in 15 starts. Injury curtailed what would have been a player of the year season unfortunately. Even when he came back at the end of the season there were 2 assists and a goal in the 3 games he started.

I'm really worried for the matches takng place during AfCon, we look so toothless every time he's not on the pitch. Even when he's not getting things right in the final third like yesterday, he's always presenting a constant threat which is something very few of our players do (and none of the other wingbacks)

 

[Pickle85]

It’s a problem in our defence. Only DeLigt is good in the air. Yoro misses lots and shaw Dalot and Amad are diabolical. It needs as much work as the midfield. Desperately need a big ball playing centre half who can step into midfield.
Amads main issue though is he hasn’t changed from last year. He’s a very good player but his job now is to supply. Think he has a little bit of the rashford/garnacho main character syndrome. Has he put the ball in for Sesko this season?.

Agreed. Yoro is a big lad so I'm hopeful his aerial game will improve but he's not great at the mo.

You do realise that he was by far our most productive player last season?

He averaged a goal or assist every 118 minutes in the league and every 131 minutes in all comps.

His nearest contender was Bruno, and if you take penalties away then he averaged a goal or assist every 188 mins in the league and every 159 mins in all comps. Even if you leave pens in Amad is still ahead.

Amad was huge for Amorim last season. He had 14 goal involvements in 15 starts. Injury curtailed what would have been a player of the year season unfortunately. Even when he came back at the end of the season there were 2 assists and a goal in the 3 games he started.

Amad had 21 g/a in 2758 minutes, which equals around 131 mins per goal or assist. Bruno had 38 in 4932, which equals around a g/a every 129 minutes. So even ignoring the fact that Bruno literally produced more (38 Vs 21) he also was more productive when taking into account minutes played. Though I know you don't count penalties, for whatever reason. So he wasn't by far our most productive player last season.

Amad was good for Amorim last season. Like I said earlier, he was probably one of our best three players, but he's being very overrated by some. Hopefully he lives up to it consistently, eventually

 

[CMRobbo7]

Agreed. Yoro is a big lad so I'm hopeful his aerial game will improve but he's not great at the mo.

Amad had 21 g/a in 2758 minutes, which equals around 131 mins per goal or assist. Bruno had 38 in 4932, which equals around a g/a every 129 minutes. So even ignoring the fact that Bruno literally produced more (38 Vs 21) he also was more productive when taking into account minutes played. Though I know you don't count penalties, for whatever reason. So he wasn't by far our most productive player last season.

Amad was good for Amorim last season. Like I said earlier, he was probably one of our best three players, but he's being very overrated by some. Hopefully he lives up to it consistently, eventually

I don’t count penalties because only one player takes them, and so it skews the optics significantly if we as a team win lots of penalties, and then we compare output of players between one who gets to take them and one who does not.
Bruno also takes all set pieces which also gives him a huge statistical advantage taking dead balls under no pressure. I’ve left those in his goals and assists, to give him the advantage.

Removing these helps you to see what is happening when the ball is in play and in the interest of fairness. Amad was by far our most productive player last season, penalties aside. Give Amad penalties and the numbers would be even more in his favour. Or take them out and make a fair comparison.

As for the last part, in bold. What a bitter statement. You are underrating him far more greatly than some are overrating. As for consistency…he’s been more consistent than anyone but Deligt in the last 12 months….and eventually? Hes been a first team regular for about that long.

 

[Shark]

I'm really worried for the matches takng place during AfCon, we look so toothless every time he's not on the pitch. Even when he's not getting things right in the final third like yesterday, he's always presenting a constant threat which is something very few of our players do (and none of the other wingbacks)

Mbuemo too. We simply don't have the depth in resources to cover for these games, it's going to be a bad time for the club.

 

[Pickle85]

I don’t count penalties because only one player takes them, and so it skews the optics significantly if we as a team win lots of penalties, and then we compare output of players between one who gets to take them and one who does not.
Bruno also takes all set pieces which also gives him a huge statistical advantage taking dead balls under no pressure. I’ve left those in his goals and assists, to give him the advantage.

Removing these helps you to see what is happening when the ball is in play and in the interest of fairness. Amad was by far our most productive player last season, penalties aside. Give Amad penalties and the numbers would be even more in his favour. Or take them out and make a fair comparison.

As for the last part, in bold. What a bitter statement. You are underrating him far more greatly than some are overrating. As for consistency…he’s been more consistent than anyone but Deligt in the last 12 months….and eventually? Hes been a first team regular for about that long.

He's not. He fades in and out of games too regularly. I think that on this, like many things I'm coming to realise, we aren't going to agree, so I'll end this here and spare us the interminable bank and forth that we've had in the Bruno thread.

 

[lost7]

He's not. He fades in and out of games too regularly. I think that on this, like many things I'm coming to realise, we aren't going to agree, so I'll end this here and spare us the interminable bank and forth that we've had in the Bruno thread.

He's a wingback, not a central midfielder. It's the nature of their positions not to be "central" to every attack. Fading out of games is one complaint that really makes no sense when it comes to Amad, especially when the majority of our attacks come from the right side. Look at the highlights of recent games and he features heavily in all of them

 

[Pickle85]

He's a wingback, not a central midfielder. It's the nature of their positions not to be "central" to every attack. Fading out of games is one complaint that really makes no sense when it comes to Amad, especially when the majority of our attacks come from the right side. Look at the highlights of recent games and he features heavily in all of them

I'm well aware he's not a central midfielder and I never said he needs to be central to every attack. But just because he's a wingback doesn't mean that by default he'll drift through games, he's just a player that appears to me to do that. Even when he plays in his apparently more natural position he still has a tendency to drift in and out and not impose himself on games as he could. As I said l, though, I think I have a fundamentally different view of him and his performances to date to some here, so I won't just bang on about it in Amad's thread. He scored a wonderful goal on the weekend, we can agree on that

 

[flameinthesun]

Still feel he's wasted as a wingback. Also still not sold on two left footers on the right side.

 

[Cnaiür urs Skiötha]

Still feel he's wasted as a wingback. Also still not sold on two left footers on the right side.

Agreed. He is too weak as WB and him and Mbeumo get in each other‘s way instead complementing each other.
I know Dalot gets a lot of stick but I would prefer him on the right.

 

[Mike Smalling]

Still feel he's wasted as a wingback. Also still not sold on two left footers on the right side.

Agree. They are two good players that can make it work, because they have a high technical level and good game intelligence, but it's not ideal for the formation.

It might be best for Amad, if we buy a top quality right-footed RWB for this system, freeing him up to primarily play #10. Hopefully we have European football next season, and then the #10's would be Cunha, Mbeumo, Amad and Mount - hopefully that would mean enough gametime for everyone. He would of course still be able to move to RWB if we are chasing the game and want a lot of firepower on the field.

 

[Remember the geese]

It might be best for Amad, if we buy a top quality right-footed RWB for this system

Thing is, Amad is a top quality RWB. You'd be hard pushed to sign one who is better than him.

 

[Mike Smalling]

Thing is, Amad is a top quality RWB. You'd be hard pushed to sign one who is better than him.

Before Amorim came here, no-one in the world would have called him a RWB. He's a RWB out of necessity more than anything. Also, he showed us exactly why he isn't a RWB on Saturday by being dominated in the air by Gibbs-White. That's not his fault though - it's just him being played out of position.

 

[Remember the geese]

Before Amorim came here, no-one in the world would have called him a RWB. He's a RWB out of necessity more than anything. Also, he showed us exactly why he isn't a RWB on Saturday by being dominated in the air by Gibbs-White. That's not his fault though - it's just him being played out of position.

You take the rough with the smooth. Fullbacks get beaten in the air all the time. Yet, not many of them are capable of providing the threat that Amad does going forward. I don't understand the urgency to move him elsewhere. He's terrific in that position.