Exactly. He's not a wing back, he's a forward. He does a good job as he works hard and can be quite good at interceptions. Forest explicitly targeted him at the weekend by isolating him out wide and other teams may follow the same plan. I have posted before that our CBs needs to be more dynamic on marking for crosses so that Amad is not marking a player on the edge of the six yard box. But by no stretch is a 'top quality' RWB, he lacks the physicality. Ideally you want both him and Bruno in more advanced positions with less defensive responsibility. The obvious way of doing that would be to play with just 2 CBs. But.....
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Amad defending on corner kicks worries me. Couldn’t he be the outlet player up the pitch instead of marking an attacking player inside the box? He surely must be our tiniest player at 5’8”.
Ironically the player that scored a header against him, Gibbs-White, is even shorter
Christ on a bike, we literally had three games in a, row were they both combined extremely well and were unplayable together. They are by far the best and most entertaining part of amorims system, why on earth would you want to put a full back with zero attacking output back there?
What happened against Forrest is that dyche over compensated on our right side and congested the area with 3/4 players whenever the ball was at either of their feet, so much so that he nullified that side completely. If you had a competent lwb and a cunha / sesko who weren't having an off day, you'd take advantage of that on the left,, but that, didn't happen. It does not mean the right side isn't working!
I'm gobsmacked at your conclusions if I'm honest.
To be honest most sides have aspects that they accept as slight drawbacks and hope they get away with it more often than not because the positives outweigh the negatives.
Most weeks Amad does a solid job on the defensive side but he will get caught out from time to time.
I don't think it means that we stop playing him there but his teammates need to do a better job in helping him.
Looking back at the goal a better idea than not having Amad there would be that our 3 centre backs pick up the 3 forest players around the 6 yard line. Amad should then be doing the more simple job of just making sure Hudson-Odoi doesn't get a run into the box.
Yoro and Shaw who are both big strong lads are caught in no man's land and Amad ends up looking like the problem because he's the only one who even sees what's happening and tried to engage.
Even better would be to not let them piss around with the ball and work there way into crossing positions almost completely unchallenged but you can't ask for miracles I suppose.
Most weeks Amad does a solid job on the defensive side but he will get caught out from time to time.
I don't think it means that we stop playing him there but his teammates need to do a better job in helping him.
Looking back at the goal a better idea than not having Amad there would be that our 3 centre backs pick up the 3 forest players around the 6 yard line. Amad should then be doing the more simple job of just making sure Hudson-Odoi doesn't get a run into the box.
Yoro and Shaw who are both big strong lads are caught in no man's land and Amad ends up looking like the problem because he's the only one who even sees what's happening and tried to engage.
Even better would be to not let them piss around with the ball and work there way into crossing positions almost completely unchallenged but you can't ask for miracles I suppose.
You won't hear me complain about him being a WB at the moment. In our squad, none of our wingbacks/fullbacks can do what he can do offensively (Dalot, Mazraoui, Dorgu, Shaw). But it seems like you're ignoring a wingbacks' responsibilities other than attacking. I get the impression that you think Amad is something unique, but would it be much different putting any other attacking winger as WB? Put Salah, Yamal, Saka, Olise or any other right winger, would they not be able to contribute the same offensively as Amad? It doesn't mean they're elite wingbacks.
Agree with this. I can't really recall many games where Amad has been caught out defensively apart from the forest game. Generally I think he's been pretty underrated in that aspect.
Ideally we would get another Amad like option but who is physically bigger to play wing back also. Without Amad we have no natural forward thinking player who can play there. That alone makes him one of our most important players with this system
I imagine a lot of those players would kick up a huge fuss and not be quite as commited to the less glamorous side of the game.
To Amad's credit he has worked very hard and shown a good attitude for this role that other players with his talent might not.
No, not all of them. I actually think that Saka would be a really good wing-back. I have my doubts with the others. Just picture Salah's face when you tell him that he's playing at wing-back
Exactly. Teams realise that we are dangerous on the right and have Dalot on the left. They are obviously going to prioritise defending the right hand side. We need to help Cunha and ourselves out, by signing a left sided Amad. Whether that's Semenyo, Ndiaye or whoever.
Yeah, he has been nothing but professional that I know of. Great attitude, and we need more players like that. One thing I have noticed this season is that he seems to be making less of those intensive presses that he was making frequently last season.
If my memory serves me right, Saka was playing left back for Arsenal when he broke through, so that's a good shout. He is incredibly versatile, and could probably play that role very well.No, not all of them. I actually think that Saka would be a really good wing-back. I have my doubts with the others. Just picture Salah's face when you tell him that he's playing at wing-back
I'd pay to see Salah's reaction. Genuinely think he would just laugh
I mean it's common sense. We adjusted our gameplay over the previous 3 games to focus our offence to the right hand side and defensively we tucked in the 10s to congest the midfield. We also played a more defensively orientated lwb to solidify us at the back and to allow amad to go forward.
What Dyche did in reply is to use the absence mbuemo's defensive input on the flank to isolate amad vs their very tricky winger which caused all sorts of problems. He also went direct, by passing our generally great pressing and played off the second balls (what we did vs liverpool). He then channeled all our attack to the left where we had the safe option. It worked... although not as people want to make it out to be; we were pretty comfortable the 1st half and we adjusted well the last 20 mins.
The bottom line is that managers will constantly look to nullify your gameplan and its up to you to react to it. As you say, having a more offensively potent lwb makes a huge difference. Even the option of having someone play there like semenyo would make managers second guess and affect their game prep, regardless of whether they have an impact or not.
I tend to agree with this. I’m happy for him to carry on where he is so long as he’s offered a bit more defensive support at times. Overall I’m really pleased with the progress he’s made, especially considering at one time it looked as though he probably wasn’t cut out for being a regular starter for the club.
He's plenty good enough to play RWB, people in here acting as if it's the first time they've ever seen a full back beaten in the air. I don't see him playing RWB in the long term though, far too talented.
No way?? Gibbs-white can’t be shorter than Amad.
According to Wikipedia, he's 1.71m to Amad's 1.73m
He looked 4 inches taller when he jumped to be honest.
Yeah I think the "official" sources are wrong. I'm gonna say Gibbs-White is 5'9" or 5'10" looking at this photo of him next to Angel Gomes who is 5'6".
No chance
Some online sources say Mainoo is over 6ft so I'm not having any of it.
Should tell that to Forest own website!
Exactly! Trent Alexander Arnold is widely considered one of the best right backs in the past 5 years or more actually but yet he is not known for his defending abilities because his offensive abilities outweigh his defending abilities. It's not even that Amad is so bad at defending, he actually does a great job defending most of the time.
Just read something about him posting cryptic messages on socials again, something about old iphones? Seems like Amad might be feeling a little underappreciated. Feel like he was back to his old self these past couple of wins was the noise coming out of the Forrest game that bad regarding his performance? Outside of the aerial duel I thought he was ok? Not good, not bad just ok.
It's the type of post which may look quite deep to 14 year olds. Think Amad needs to cut out the drama, and focus on bringing consistency to the game.
Didn't even realise people where getting on to him, thought he's been a lot better these past few weeks.
Is Amad turning into the new Garnacho for the fans?
Someone who doesn't really do much wrong but is a convenient scapegoat...
Someone who doesn't really do much wrong but is a convenient scapegoat...
I'm sure any player can find negativity on social media. All the more reason for him to get his head down rather than reacting like an emotional tween. But if this makes him more motivated, then good for us.
Nah. The difference in their behaviour is incomparable. Odd comparison to make.
What Garnacho did you watch and read about in here? Very odd comparison.
Interested to see what Garnacho actually did wrong!? A player who gave his all for the team, turned up for training despite being ostracized from the main group, got played in several different positions and never once moaned about it.
Amad has displayed very much the same attitude at times, that of a disappointed young player, probably frustrated with his own fairly average form, so stands to reason he'll be the new Garnacho, seems to be going that way already...
Some quotes from me about some of the problems he was causing.
There's also his younger brother who was an issue as well. For example, leaking team lineups, specially when Garnacho wasn't playing. Or at least rumours of him doing it.
Leaks have at least stopped after they've gone from the team.
Diallo is an average PL RW, but shouldn’t complain to much. We probably hasn’t seen the best of him yet. He definitely has to dominate the game more and develop his end product. Until then I’m happy playing him in a more defensive position. Amad does a solid job on the defensive side, but I agree he shouldn’t be a «man to man defender» inside the box on corner kicks.
Shouldn't stalk players' tinder
Haha, he wishes.
So there's no actual evidence other than 'a source' or a friend of a friend etc... this always seems to be the case.
Interesting to note that people claimed Garnacho was leaking stuff....yet these 'rumours' (as that's all they are really) have (supposedly)come from *gasp* a leak within the club....that's peak irony!!
The simple fact is bar a few misdemeanors he hasn't really shown anything other than professionalism, so much so that Bruno, the club captain, was one of the first to praise Garnacho for his improved attitude...
But anyhow, this is the Amad thread and I shan't derail anymore.
A forward who would be a supreme wingback would be ... Gareth Bale!No, not all of them. I actually think that Saka would be a really good wing-back. I have my doubts with the others. Just picture Salah's face when you tell him that he's playing at wing-back
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He still gets dribbled far too easily as a wing back, but he's so crucial to anything we create. Today we basically had 3 chances and he directly produced both of them
He was brilliant today. Both at AM and RWB.
Our best attacker today, some really good link play with Bruno, great cross fro the goal.
Should have got out to the cross for the Tel goal, he does well going forward from WB but defensively he is targeted.
Should have got out to the cross for the Tel goal, he does well going forward from WB but defensively he is targeted.
Him and Mbeumo by far our best players. We need more players with their intelligence and quality.