Yup, so bad he's playing for a team second in the table, clueless indeed....I have no words anymore!
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In the latest edition of the United Hour Podcast, Imran (@Annihilate Now!) & Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to discuss disappointed FA Cup exit at the hands of Brighton - confirming our shortest season in over 100 years. They also discuss the news that Michael Carrick is set to be United's manager until the end of the season.
We had Obertan at our peak also.
You've somehow managed to defend your beloved Garnacho, who left several months ago in a post criticising shock horror your least favourite Amad.
Quite remarkable that this actually wasn't a post of yours anywhere from the past 2 seasons.
What logic is this?
no way you posted that and thought "got him"So because Garnacho plays for a team in second place that makes him a god player? what? He is not even a starter there.
Yeah, how's he doing?
Hard to take you seriously
He couldn't dribble, wouldn't pass, couldn't score, couldn't cross and his attitude stank like rotting fish.
Jheeze what a hyperbole.
Who was worse then? Do you think Amad has been worse lately?
Seems to be doing alright tonight in the Champions League....What logic is this?
So because Garnacho plays for a team in second place that makes him a god player? what? He is not even a starter there.
Starting in the Champions League against Barcelona, I'd say he's currently in a better position than Amad in his footballing progress.
Amad may be better in future, but currently there's no comparison, Garnacho is playing well in a well structured team, Amad is playing average in an average team.
Context is always key, it's not all on Amad.
Didn't see the game but just saw he was hooked after 59 minutes... What's he done this season for you to rate him more highly than Amad?
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Is Garnacho playing well? My Chelsea mates aren't convinced in the slightest - he's regularly hooked after doing very little. I don't think either are playing that well at the moment, but Amad has more to his game in my eyes.
I agree Amad is far better than Garnacho, but the Obertan thing is a bit much
Maybe you're right but I really don't think there's much in it, Garnacho bar a handful of games was useless, sometimes worse.
Did you even watch the game? he was doing so well they took him off around the 58th minute mark
When they were 2-0 up against ten men and cruising, context is everything.Did you even watch the game? he was doing so well they took him off around the 58th minute mark
Amad is a good player and a far better fit than Garnacho in Amorims system, however Garnacho is younger yet seems to be progressing more than Amad in my eyes.
Amad isn't helped by his constant changing of position, also the inconsistent nature of this United teams form doesn't help him.
But also he doesn't help himself, his decision making at times is very poor, he is prone to lazy/slack/casual passes far too often, and his delivery still needs lots of work.
He does shine however in his direct play, his one v ones and finishing.
Even at 2-0 they could have taken any one off but him especially considering he isn't a consistent starter in the team so more game time would be beneficial for him.
I do not agree that Garnacho is progressing more than Amad at all, everything you described Amad does bad Garnacho does it worse to be honest. Garnacho is a bad dribbler, bad decision making and not really good in front of goal. He gets into good goal scoring positions, I will give him that but can't seem to score often. Also Amad can adopt to many positions something Garnacho can not
Last season he had 20 goal contributions for us and has 4 for Chelsea already despite no preseason, joining them late and inconsistent game time. He’ll likely end the season with 15-20 goal contributions. For someone so terrible as you say, it’s amazing that he’s able to do that
I'm not really a huge Garnacho fan, but saying he can't do anything and was horrible is a little much.
He was a pretty good dribbler, but in a very direct way, almost abrupt. I'm tempted to say he's not a creative winger, but a lot of top sides tend to have a creative winger on one side and one of those direct ones on the other. Sometimes those roles are changed a bit or spread differently throughout the squad altogether, but there are players who were more skills and persistence than creative and ended up remembered as super stars, and I think a lot of the CR7 vs Messi debates show a personal preference there even. Plus the creative guy doesn't have to be the best one of the two.
Garnacho didn't need to be the most creative player, but if he's part of a successful side, he'll shine and finish off more chances (or make a lot of assists), but he's also simultaneously a little less dependent on the team to get any numbers on his sheet, since by his very style and nature just keeps on trying until it eventually just has to turn a little lucky. It can also kill of the rest of the team's chance at developing further and get the most out of their own attributes, though, so it's not always your best bet to get your team back into better times.
I do think Amad is more talented, but when he's not in form he turns a bit more invisible than Garnacho would. A playmaker who can't create loses most of who he is. It helps that he is also a pretty good finisher/good at direct play, but you do notice that he's a creator at heart. Occasionally he can "do a job", but I think on the long term I think he'd stagnate if all he gets to do is be a classical winger or hard working wingback, or even just a (non-false) striker. But if you find a balance between fitting him into a role with discipline and letting him loose a bit to add his personal touch and ideas to a game, he could become something special. If the balance in the squad is there, this could be at RWB, perhaps in a 4-2-3-1 he'd have to move to 10 or play to the side of a "finishing" 10, but if you manage to fit him in somewhere without chaining him to very specific responsibilities, he might just become a star if he adds enough consistency to his play.
But I think Amad will need some type of outlet on the other wing (and in striker and/or midfield), and then someone like Garnacho (but doesn't have to be him) can work wonders, not as competition for his place, but as an asset to get more out of a player like Amad.
He was a pretty good dribbler, but in a very direct way, almost abrupt. I'm tempted to say he's not a creative winger, but a lot of top sides tend to have a creative winger on one side and one of those direct ones on the other. Sometimes those roles are changed a bit or spread differently throughout the squad altogether, but there are players who were more skills and persistence than creative and ended up remembered as super stars, and I think a lot of the CR7 vs Messi debates show a personal preference there even. Plus the creative guy doesn't have to be the best one of the two.
Garnacho didn't need to be the most creative player, but if he's part of a successful side, he'll shine and finish off more chances (or make a lot of assists), but he's also simultaneously a little less dependent on the team to get any numbers on his sheet, since by his very style and nature just keeps on trying until it eventually just has to turn a little lucky. It can also kill of the rest of the team's chance at developing further and get the most out of their own attributes, though, so it's not always your best bet to get your team back into better times.
I do think Amad is more talented, but when he's not in form he turns a bit more invisible than Garnacho would. A playmaker who can't create loses most of who he is. It helps that he is also a pretty good finisher/good at direct play, but you do notice that he's a creator at heart. Occasionally he can "do a job", but I think on the long term I think he'd stagnate if all he gets to do is be a classical winger or hard working wingback, or even just a (non-false) striker. But if you find a balance between fitting him into a role with discipline and letting him loose a bit to add his personal touch and ideas to a game, he could become something special. If the balance in the squad is there, this could be at RWB, perhaps in a 4-2-3-1 he'd have to move to 10 or play to the side of a "finishing" 10, but if you manage to fit him in somewhere without chaining him to very specific responsibilities, he might just become a star if he adds enough consistency to his play.
But I think Amad will need some type of outlet on the other wing (and in striker and/or midfield), and then someone like Garnacho (but doesn't have to be him) can work wonders, not as competition for his place, but as an asset to get more out of a player like Amad.
Maresca always takes off his wide players, he rotates them a lot between games and during games, not sure you need to read too much into that.
Moreso the fact that he was given a start in the highest profile game for Chelsea so far this season speaks louder.
The stats this season suggests that Garnacho is more potent than Amad, again context is a wonderful thing, as Garnacho is playing in a better team (again, ask yourself why that is...) and Amad has been often more defensive but individual stats also suggest that there really isn't much in between them, with Garnacho having better shot metrics and having the same out put (goals and assists) in far less time.
Factor into that Garnacho is two years younger and that's the reason why I believe Garnacho is ahead of Amad in terms of development.
Think about where Amad was two years ago, Garnacho is miles ahead and if he keeps his head down he'll only improve.
Can only hope that Amad knuckles down and doesn't get despondent by the lethargy that's gripped United.
Can you imagine Garnacho being able to play wingback?
Just picture how bad that would be.
Pretty sure he played there at the beginning of Amorims tenure before being shoehorned into a number 10 role.
His work rate would be helpful in that role, his defensive attributes not so much.
Completely different type of players, Garnacho is and likely always will be a player who only focuses on the final action. His goal involements will always be okay but they do come at a cost to general team play.
This isn't an age or development thing he simply isn't a well rounded player like Amad is. Amad at Sunderland was already better at general play than Garnacho is now.
How many games do you think Garnacho played as left wingback cos I can't remember them. Must have been one or two.
It's clear you absolutely could not trust Garnacho in that role.
Which is why it's unfair to compare the two this season.
Amad is playing a position and role you wouldn't want Garnacho anywhere near.
Sancho was worse, Anthony was worse, Dan James was worse, that’s 3 in the last what 3 years?
This is a good summary of Amad, he’s a good player, tries hard and seems a decent lad but he’s not as good as some would have you believe.
He’s still one of our better players mind you which says more about the rest of the squad.
Agreed entirely
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A nothing performance today, he needs to be more confident and be more impactful
Love Amad, but agree with this. Probably the first time when I've felt that the system has stunted his natural game. He didn't play badly at all, but he didn't play like Amad.
I'm sorry, what did you disagree with?
Genuinely thought it was a joke. How is it the systems fault if it's suddenly stunting him for the first time?
Its always Amorims system if something is negative - nothing new here
Just because we all know that he's naturally an attacking player. We all know that he's adapted very well to wing-back but today's performance seemed a little insulated. He did a job, but it wasn't Amad as we know him.
The system forced very deep in the first half. He’s very average there but quality further up the pitch. The system requires him to always defend deep, which makes it harder for him to put his stamp on a game. Today, that was very evident.
I just don't see it with him and Mbeumo. It should be either or.
Every other team in the world when they have a talented left-footed right winger do you know what they do? They play him at right wing with an attacking right-footed right back overlapping outside him.
Instead we have him at wing back and this absolute mess of a system with two inverted left footers on the same side.
And when he does play in attack he's playing some weird left sided 10 role which doesn't suit him at all.
I hate this system so much.
Having said that when Amorim eventually gets sacked Amad will be on the bench watching Mbeumo play.
Instead we have him at wing back and this absolute mess of a system with two inverted left footers on the same side.
And when he does play in attack he's playing some weird left sided 10 role which doesn't suit him at all.
I hate this system so much.
Having said that when Amorim eventually gets sacked Amad will be on the bench watching Mbeumo play.
I can not understand why is he always going for the much harder shots, or more complicated decisions.
He bursted today to the box, with open view to the goal. He could've picked where to shot, yet, he focused on pure power, instead of precision. Laced it, didn't hit the target. Was in a good position to cross, he tried a cross with his weaker foot, goalkick.
I believe it was the City game, where a cross was coming to him, and he tried to take the shot while jumping for a half volley, trying a scissors like shot, where he could've just hit it first time from a standing position, with his body positioned much better. He has to simplify these things. Try going for placement vs power, do the simple thing, instead of trying to score more attractive goals.
He bursted today to the box, with open view to the goal. He could've picked where to shot, yet, he focused on pure power, instead of precision. Laced it, didn't hit the target. Was in a good position to cross, he tried a cross with his weaker foot, goalkick.
I believe it was the City game, where a cross was coming to him, and he tried to take the shot while jumping for a half volley, trying a scissors like shot, where he could've just hit it first time from a standing position, with his body positioned much better. He has to simplify these things. Try going for placement vs power, do the simple thing, instead of trying to score more attractive goals.
While i do think he can be passive at times, I think the main issue with Amad, as it is with a lot of our players currently is confidence/decision making. Although things have improved recently a lot of players especially in the final third often hesitate or rush I feel and thus chances go begging.
Once/if we get to a place of consistency with this formation and the players in their roles then I think we will see improvements in these areas hopefully as moves an decisions become more instinctive.
Once/if we get to a place of consistency with this formation and the players in their roles then I think we will see improvements in these areas hopefully as moves an decisions become more instinctive.