[Waynne]

sometimes I wonder if people actually watch our games.. his work rate, creativity, relentlessness are instrumental to our game

You forgot to add 'with 0 end product'. He's been diabolical in front of goal this season.

He is a forward and needs to contribute goals/assists. If we are to have any ambition of challenging for major honors our forwards need to deliver and chip in with goals.

 

[TsuWave]

Goals and assists don’t manifest out of thin air. Amad has been core to our good run of form and partially why we’re able to have dominating attacking spells reliably - whilst also providing great defensive work rate

“Goals/assists” is a spreadsheet way of processing football

 

[Brightonian]

Goals and assists don’t manifest out of thin air. Amad has been core to our good run of form and partially why we’re able to have dominating attacking spells reliably - whilst also providing great defensive work rate

“Goals/assists” is a spreadsheet way of processing football

Yeah agree with this. Over time, Amad will get goals and assists. He's more than proved he has end product in the past. He's going through a bit of a dry spell, partly due to some less than clinical finishing and partly bad luck that others haven't put away good chances he has assisted - think of the ball he put perfectly onto Sesko's head vs Fulham which Sesko could only turn onto the post.

If you take Amad out of this team in favour of a 'finisher' like Mbeumo, the chances will dry up, and everyone else won't be getting assists and goals either. He and Bruno are the two players who reliable turn possession of the ball into chances. Fans can't moan for a decade about not having enough dribblers, enough danger men, enough wingers who can beat a man, and then call for Amad to be dropped.

 

[Zumbi]

Yeah agree with this. Over time, Amad will get goals and assists. He's more than proved he has end product in the past. He's going through a bit of a dry spell, partly due to some less than clinical finishing and partly bad luck that others haven't put away good chances he has assisted - think of the ball he put perfectly onto Sesko's head vs Fulham which Sesko could only turn onto the post.

If you take Amad out of this team in favour of a 'finisher' like Mbeumo, the chances will dry up, and everyone else won't be getting assists and goals either. He and Bruno are the two players who reliable turn possession of the ball into chances. Fans can't moan for a decade about not having enough dribblers, enough danger men, enough wingers who can beat a man, and then call for Amad to be dropped.

This doesn’t really hold up given the fact that the very last goal we scored was a Sesko finish from an Mbeumo cross on the right.

Mbeumo’s generally a very good crosser of the ball from the right. If we’re starting Sesko I don’t share the same concern as you with Mbeumo playing on the right, especially with Bruno still playing at 10 alongside them. We’d still create chances, we might just create different kinds of chances, which you would expect when playing with a completely different style of 9.

 

[FerociousCorgis]

unpopular opinion im sure but i feel like amad might be one of our most overrated players. Not saying he isnt a good player, but some talk of him like he is the nailed on, no doubt starter who is one of our stars ala Bruno. As i said he is a good player, but sometimes the hype goes a little overboard with him. Still miles above some of the trash we have had at RW

 

[Berbasbullet]

unpopular opinion im sure but i feel like amad might be one of our most overrated players. Not saying he isnt a good player, but some talk of him like he is the nailed on, no doubt starter who is one of our stars ala Bruno. As i said he is a good player, but sometimes the hype goes a little overboard with him. Still miles above some of the trash we have had at RW

This is harsh. I think he’s the sort of player you miss when he’s not on the pitch for you, but he’s not going to get 30 G/A a season.

 

[Zumbi]

unpopular opinion im sure but i feel like amad might be one of our most overrated players. Not saying he isnt a good player, but some talk of him like he is the nailed on, no doubt starter who is one of our stars ala Bruno. As i said he is a good player, but sometimes the hype goes a little overboard with him. Still miles above some of the trash we have had at RW

I also think some people underrate the value of subs. It’s no slight on a player sometimes being a sub who is asked to come on and change the game in the second half. Cunha’s done it recently to great effect t, as has Sesko. It’s great that we now have genuine, match winning options off the bench.

 

[Scotty Doesn't Know]

I like that Carrick played Amad RB when we were chasing a goal vs West Ham. I could see him being a great asset in that position vs a low block, as he has exceptional footwork and tremendous work rate. His chemistry with Mbeumo was one of the highlights under Amorim. Hopefully we'll see them linking up again when we need a goal in the second half of games, as their combined attacking prowess should help us sustain attacks.

 

[lost7]

unpopular opinion im sure but i feel like amad might be one of our most overrated players. Not saying he isnt a good player, but some talk of him like he is the nailed on, no doubt starter who is one of our stars ala Bruno. As i said he is a good player, but sometimes the hype goes a little overboard with him. Still miles above some of the trash we have had at RW

I'm just glad you're aware it's an unpopular opinion. He's been one of our best players this season and that's including the little to no contributions in goals and assists. As soon as he starts getting those too (he's already shown flashes that he's capable of getting 10+ goals a season last year), then we'll have secured our right wing for years to come.

Also, the fact that Carrick has played him every minute while rotating Mbuemo Cunha Sesko Dorgu around tells me he's also aware of how important Amad is to making the team click.

 

[TsuWave]

unpopular opinion im sure but i feel like amad might be one of our most overrated players. Not saying he isnt a good player, but some talk of him like he is the nailed on, no doubt starter who is one of our stars ala Bruno. As i said he is a good player, but sometimes the hype goes a little overboard with him. Still miles above some of the trash we have had at RW

He should be nailed on since he’s one of our best players - and like Bruno - he is one of our stars. That doesn’t mean he’s as productive as Bruno - nor that all our stars are of the same magnitude though. If you were to name top 5 current United players - it is very likely he’s making that top 5 so speaking of him as one of our current stars is hardly the basis to say he’s overrated

Bruno and Amad are on opposite ends of their development arcs and playing careers - with Bruno being at what’s likely the tail end of, or close to, of his career - whereas Amad is still ascending/developing. This is what? His second season getting regular premier league minutes? With most of it having shared minutes at wing-back?

United has been shite for so long a substantial number of our fans seem to think players are putting +8/10 performances week in, week out everywhere else. They aren’t. Not even Bruno does that here - and he’s probably the one you can count on the most. I’m saying that to say that Amad’s 23 - he will have showings in which his levels fluctuate, but he’s indeed one of our stars and best players

 

[FerociousCorgis]

I'm just glad you're aware it's an unpopular opinion. He's been one of our best players this season and that's including the little to no contributions in goals and assists. As soon as he starts getting those too (he's already shown flashes that he's capable of getting 10+ goals a season last year), then we'll have secured our right wing for years to come.

Also, the fact that Carrick has played him every minute while rotating Mbuemo Cunha Sesko Dorgu around tells me he's also aware of how important Amad is to making the team click.

Feel like you are missing my point a bit. I never said hes a trash player. Just that some seem to put him in a world class tier or something when in reality for a title team he might just be a good squad player. Nothing wrong with that and he is sure as shit a better option out wide than past ones like dan james or some of our truly weird options like obertan or feck me the bebe disaster ha. Do i think he (amad) is head and shoulders better than having mbuemo out wide right? Think depending on the opponent can see either getting the nod. I am a fan of amad i was calling for him to get more minutes back when we kept ignoring him and am glad he is showing that he has talent. Just saying it seems some kind of go overboard and make him seem like hes a world class talent when perhaps that might be overdoing it.

 

[FerociousCorgis]

This is harsh. I think he’s the sort of player you miss when he’s not on the pitch for you, but he’s not going to get 30 G/A a season.

maybe. For me calling him most overrated isnt a knock on his skill. He is skilled. Could be a bit that we dont really hype too many other of our players so his hype is the most noticeable. He has definitely been one of our top 6-7 performers of the season, just more an observation for me that people almost put him in that top class/star player level when in reality i just dont feel like he has deserved that level yet. Guess some just see me saying most overrated and just assume i mean he has been bad when im not trying to say that.

 

[ManhattanRed]

He’s still very young. He needs to improve his decision making a little but in confident it’ll come with time. He’s never going to be a 20 goals a season player but he should get to 12-14 goals and 10ish assists consistently, which is excellent.

 

[TsuWave]

maybe. For me calling him most overrated isnt a knock on his skill. He is skilled. Could be a bit that we dont really hype too many other of our players so his hype is the most noticeable. He has definitely been one of our top 6-7 performers of the season, just more an observation for me that people almost put him in that top class/star player level when in reality i just dont feel like he has deserved that level yet. Guess some just see me saying most overrated and just assume i mean he has been bad when im not trying to say that.

United doesn’t have 5-6 players that have performed better than Amad this season.

If you believe so - please list them.

 

[FerociousCorgis]

United doesn’t have 5-6 players that have performed better than Amad this season.

If you believe so - please list them.

once again, im not trying to say he hasnt been a good player. Lammens has solidified goal for sure. Bruno people have said is our talisman and leader. Casemiro has been our only CM this season and has been such a revelation people are now wishing he'd stay vs just looking forward to him leaving. So you could argue he has been 4th at least. Mbuemo has perhaps been a more consistent forward outlet for us so you could argue amad to 5th now. Know he has been out for a while but MDL was the rock of the defense for a while as well and had people saying he should be next captain. So if you want to go down that road we can but once again, that wasnt my point.

My point is that people overrate him in the fact that they talk of him as some sort of superstar, when i dont quite see that. That was it. So by most overrated i mean he might be more a 6/7 level player when people keep talking of him like a 10 level, world class guy. It isnt his fault we barely have 6/7 level players at this point vs superstars like we have had in the past

 

[Berbasbullet]

maybe. For me calling him most overrated isnt a knock on his skill. He is skilled. Could be a bit that we dont really hype too many other of our players so his hype is the most noticeable. He has definitely been one of our top 6-7 performers of the season, just more an observation for me that people almost put him in that top class/star player level when in reality i just dont feel like he has deserved that level yet. Guess some just see me saying most overrated and just assume i mean he has been bad when im not trying to say that.

I think you’re overrating how highly united fans rate him.

 

[FerociousCorgis]

I think you’re overrating how highly united fans rate him.

ha maybe. Maybe your are overrating how highly im overrating the united fans overrating him? Feel like maybe i should have used overhyped instead of overrated to make my point better/easier.

 

[TsuWave]

once again, im not trying to say he hasnt been a good player. Lammens has solidified goal for sure. Bruno people have said is our talisman and leader. Casemiro has been our only CM this season and has been such a revelation people are now wishing he'd stay vs just looking forward to him leaving. So you could argue he has been 4th at least. Mbuemo has perhaps been a more consistent forward outlet for us so you could argue amad to 5th now. Know he has been out for a while but MDL was the rock of the defense for a while as well and had people saying he should be next captain. So if you want to go down that road we can but once again, that wasnt my point.

My point is that people overrate him in the fact that they talk of him as some sort of superstar, when i dont quite see that. That was it. So by most overrated i mean he might be more a 6/7 level player when people keep talking of him like a 10 level, world class guy. It isnt his fault we barely have 6/7 level players at this point vs superstars like we have had in the past

Lammens hasn’t done anything particularly out of the ordinary. He’s just not been as calamitous as his predecessor.

Bruno is a given. Casemiro too, I guess. Everyone else, Mbeumo included, is debatable. So no, United doesn’t have 5-6 players that have performed better than Amad this season.

And hardly anyone refers to Amad as world class. Most of the posts in this thread use qualifiers like him still being relatively young, and only really having a season of regular prem football. Stating Amad is one of our best players - he is - is not the same as saying he’s world class.

This seems a case of you overestimating how people see Amad - and then arguing against said overestimation

 

[FerociousCorgis]

Lammens hasn’t done anything particularly out of the ordinary. He’s just not been as calamitous as his predecessor.

Bruno is a given. Casemiro too, I guess. Everyone else, Mbeumo included, is debatable. So no, United doesn’t have 5-6 players that have performed better than Amad this season.

And hardly anyone refers to Amad as world class. Most of the posts in this thread use qualifiers like him still being relatively young, and only really having a season of regular prem football. Stating Amad is one of our best players - he is - is not the same as saying he’s world class.

This seems a case of you overestimating how people see Amad - and then arguing against said overestimation

cool glad you have your opinion i shall remain with mine.

 

[Brightonian]

This doesn’t really hold up given the fact that the very last goal we scored was a Sesko finish from an Mbeumo cross on the right.

Mbeumo’s generally a very good crosser of the ball from the right. If we’re starting Sesko I don’t share the same concern as you with Mbeumo playing on the right, especially with Bruno still playing at 10 alongside them. We’d still create chances, we might just create different kinds of chances, which you would expect when playing with a completely different style of 9.

My example is to illustrate that Amad not having goals and assists in recent games isn't necessarily indicative of poor performance.

Your example is a single assist Mbeumo made. It's not proof that he's as creative as Amad is. In my opinion, he's not. He's a more clinical finisher of attacks. But you've got to consistently create those attacking moments and Amad does this much more than Mbeumo. It's not a slight on Mbeumo - he's an important player too. My point is it's a risk to drop the players who are important a bit earlier in the attacking play in favour of the ones who finish them off on the basis of assist/goal stats.

 

[Zumbi]

My example is to illustrate that Amad not having goals and assists in recent games isn't necessarily indicative of poor performance.

Your example is a single assist Mbeumo made. It's not proof that he's as creative as Amad is. In my opinion, he's not. He's a more clinical finisher of attacks. But you've got to consistently create those attacking moments and Amad does this much more than Mbeumo. It's not a slight on Mbeumo - he's an important player too. My point is it's a risk to drop the players who are important a bit earlier in the attacking play in favour of the ones who finish them off on the basis of assist/goal stats.

I gave just one example, but it’s not a one off. He had as many assists for Brentford last season as Amad did for us, and they have almost identical assist stats this season. He’s a very different type of player, and that will of course affect our play in various ways, but he’s not just a finisher. He’s also an excellent crosser of the ball, and there could be some up side to that if we’re starting 9 like Sesko.

Who knows how we’re even going to lineup, but any three of Cunha, Sesko, Mbeumo, Amad starting with one on the bench is strong, and capable of winning games. At some point we’re going to rotate and see how each balance does.

 

[P-Nut]

Amad is at that weird point in a player's career where you're not sure if they are going to explode, or if this is their level. He'll be fine for us as a squad player if this is his level, but if he explodes he's got the potential to be mainstay of the first 11 for years to come.

 

[TsuWave]

cool glad you have your opinion i shall remain with mine.

Your opinion is that 1. he’s overrated because people talk of him as if he’s world class

the thread has a search function - you can always substantiate that opinion by quoting said posts

2. He’s seemingly a 6-7 top performer for us this seasons

When asked to substantiate the above - you failed to do so, even when naming a GK that hasn’t done much besides being steady (a considerable improvement on Onana, mind)

 

[FerociousCorgis]

Your opinion is that 1. he’s overrated because people talk of him as if he’s world class

the thread has a search function - you can always substantiate that opinion by quoting said posts

2. He’s seemingly a 6-7 top performer for us this seasons

When asked to substantiate the above - you failed to do so, even when naming a GK that hasn’t done much besides being steady (a considerable improvement on Onana, mind)

dude i dont have the time or energy to care that much man haha.

 

[Gordon S]

No surprise we fall back once he is off the pitch. He helps so much with his workrate and quality on he ball. Can calm things down for us.

 

[Marwood]

No surprise we fall back once he is off the pitch. He helps so much with his workrate and quality on he ball. Can calm things down for us.

Not tonight. There was no quality on the ball from him. Was subbed for good reason.

 

[Escobar]

Needs to fight for a starting spot. Currently not good enough

 

[Lash]

Needs to get it together if you want to be our starting RW, really poor couple of performances recently.

 

[Waynne]

No surprise we fall back once he is off the pitch. He helps so much with his workrate and quality on he ball. Can calm things down for us.

He 100% fecks up that pass from out wide to Sesko. Rightfully substituted. He's been absolute pants in the last few games.

Start playing Sesko up front and let Mbeumo compete with Amad for that RW spot.

 

[Rossa]

Love him, but that was rubbish, and he has been below par for a little while now. I think I'd go with Sesko up front and Mbuemo out wide right next match.

 

[ThanksBoss26]

He’ll come back I’ve no doubt but think he should be the one to drop out for Sesko on Sunday.

 

[criticalanalysis]

That was a genuinely poor all around game from him, which was a bit surprising as pretty much nothing had come off.

Should have got Brandwaith booked though. That was shocking from the ref and that alone could have changed the game.

 

[Frank Grimes]

Ironically thought he started the 2nd half ok before been hooked. Very sloppy first half.

 

[Cathy Ferguson]

He’ll come back I’ve no doubt but think he should be the one to drop out for Sesko on Sunday.

Agreed. Sesko is ready to start and Amad is out of form even though his style of play is needed against a low block.

 

[ForFuchsSake]

Really like him but he’s been off it of late. Should be dropped for Sesko with Mbeumo moving out wide.

 

[pascell]

Needs benching for Sesko at the weekend.

Unsure whats going on here, but he looked at his best at RWB.

 

[Bebe]

I'm surprised by the takes on here today - I thought Mbeumo was comfortably worse than Amad.

 

[Perro Caca]

I'm surprised by the takes on here today - I thought Mbeumo was comfortably worse than Amad.

Still set up the goal. Amad has been really poor the last few games.

 

[Ish]

Yeah needs a spell on the sidelines. It’s not like Cunha or Mbeumo have been great but they’ve still come up with decisive moments, whereas Amad hasn’t in a while.

 

[Anustart89]

Hard to be effective when you skin the full-back and he can just pull you back with impunity and not be on a yellow to do it freely next time. If Branthwaite had been on a yellow after 30 minutes like he should've been Amad would've had many better opportunities to target him while he had to be careful with his tackling.