No they don’t, so if all plays had low stats but work hard that’d be ok?
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 31
- Goals
- 2
- Assists
- 2
- Yellow cards
- 1
Amad played his best football this season, for Ivory Coast in the Afcon.
He's looked a bit tired and off the pace since returning to the Utd squad, after that tournament.
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He's looked a bit tired and off the pace since returning to the Utd squad, after that tournament.
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Nah, he was a work horse and limited. But he contributed more to attack than Amad does.
Amad could potentially be a much better player, and is capable talent wise of much more, but he's not showing much to be a starting wide player for a CL club yet.
Hopefully he kicks on next year as I think he could overtake Bruno as out best player.
He's in a dip but works hard. The only red flag is that in the past two games he's thrown his arms around and sulked when he doesn't get the right pass. But when your captain/role model is Bruno...
Not great today but not awful. Some stupid moments (that pass to their player just outside our box and the row Z effort) but he runs a lot. Think he needs to up his game a good amount to justify a starting place in this side.
That's not how top clubs think or operate and if we're serious about being one of those, we'll not think that way either.
As much as I like Amad, he's got to step it up a lot not to be usurped by a new buy.
Last thing you want to be is a starter demoted or supplanted.
Getting a little bit concerned about him. He works hard and generally presses well, but his ability to create danger in and around the box has gone missing. We can't afford "carrying" a winger that doesn't contribute in that regard.
I'm not sure if we disagree with each other. Injuries happen and you need good players on the bench too. Amad has not been so good that he can take it for granted that he should start every game. And at the same time, he's not so old that he must be the finished product already.
Amad is a bit of a weird player, because he's clearly capable of doing very difficult things. It's that final ball that seems to be off, whether it's a pass or a shot. But that can definitely be improved. His technique is top notch and he's clearly not a stupid player either. He just needs to combine all his good assets consistently. In one attack his dribbling is pristine, but his passing is off. In the next his passing is on point, but then he runs into a wall. It's all about improving that end product.
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When Amad starts we win and when Amad doesn't start we rarely do.. Very unlucky not to score with that header.. Such a wonderful player.. Yes a couple of misplaced passes but overall decent.
Wow - you managed to get a poke in for Bruno after today’s game. Impressive, most impressive!He's in a dip but works hard. The only red flag is that in the past two games he's thrown his arms around and sulked when he doesn't get the right pass. But when your captain/role model is Bruno...
Yes, a bit of a dip, but I back this kid all the way. Is he on Lamine Yamaal level.. no, but he has his own personality and talent. He is important and responsible, he rarely gives the ball away and understands our team.
He will be fine, bang in a couple and I think we will be looking back at another solid season for this young man.
He will be fine, bang in a couple and I think we will be looking back at another solid season for this young man.
Yeah it’s a bit weird. It’s like Amorim taught him to be more of a team player and play it safe instead of selfish and direct, and now he isn’t as prolific as he started out being.
Always wanted to score that winner when he first came into the team, but now he seems okay with just being a (good) team player.
You just know he can be more than this. He’s good, but he can be great.
I don't think he should be seen as a winger. Skillset wise he looks like a Foden/Silva type of player, capable of playing throughout the front line. We are used him either as WB or as a Winger which I don't think he is best suited for. That said, currently it is tricky to say whether he is worth changing things up as he struggles to influence games when he comes infield. That might be connected with the way we play but his build is playing a role there as well I guess. I think we'd be better set up (also for the future) if we start with Sesko and have Mbeumo playing on the right.
I think Amorim overtrained him & a lot of our players.
It wouldn't surprise me if he is more muscular than he needs to be so has lost some of his finesse or pace.
The first player I saw this was with Mainoo where Amorim turned Mainoo in to a body builder.
I think amorim took a lot of energy out of our players from being over trained, being strict and maybe even being too critical mentally.
Bruno is also a player that looks much sloppier than I've ever seen him yet is still performing to a high level because I think the whole 2 man midfield experience drained him & our players out.
Playing 1 game a week kind of hides this aspect.
I think amad will be fine after a rest and a preseason with a different manager to Amorim.
People need to remember that Amad was the main player in Amorims first 11 that was playing in a significant wrong position just to supplement his weird tactics.
It wouldn't surprise me if he is more muscular than he needs to be so has lost some of his finesse or pace.
The first player I saw this was with Mainoo where Amorim turned Mainoo in to a body builder.
I think amorim took a lot of energy out of our players from being over trained, being strict and maybe even being too critical mentally.
Bruno is also a player that looks much sloppier than I've ever seen him yet is still performing to a high level because I think the whole 2 man midfield experience drained him & our players out.
Playing 1 game a week kind of hides this aspect.
I think amad will be fine after a rest and a preseason with a different manager to Amorim.
People need to remember that Amad was the main player in Amorims first 11 that was playing in a significant wrong position just to supplement his weird tactics.
Bit concerned about him long term. I think I even said this when he was bang in form but he's capable of the most bizarre passes and lapses in concentration. This was in 2024 and not much has changed:
He's also not offering much at all attacking-wise atm anymore and the 'dip' is starting to become his regular performance level.
He's also not offering much at all attacking-wise atm anymore and the 'dip' is starting to become his regular performance level.
I really like Amad, he brings us something unpredictable. However, I'm not sure he's consistent enough to be a long term starter for us if we want to challenge for the PL. 2 goals, 2 assists for us this season, and had some really frustrating games. Our other forwards have much better stats. He'll turn 24 this year, so his best years are ahead of him, but still. A good option to have either way.
Agreed. Amad looks more a super sub than a nailed on regular starter over Mbeumo. Hopefully Amad views being a super sub for United as the truly great place to be it is overcast being a regular starter for Villa or Brentford, which he surely would be.
He needs a run of games on the right.
Do people only go off stats these days? I think we saw what he brings when he was benched. We looked stranded. (Licha) also a big factor We are more able to gain yards up the pitch through him, more often than any other player carrying the ball. He’s also another good baller, similar to Mainoo. Ballers playing ball, competent, good in tight spaces, retention and rotation. Let the likes of Bruno, Cunha, Mbuemo share the flowers while also ceeding possession because we take care of it better as a team these days.
When you bring multiple players to the roster who give out high numbers you don’t end up scoring 150 goals…someone else’s numbers inevitably take a hit overall. Amad a top player, a team player and yet another who makes us tick without credit because stats warp everyone’s shizzle.
When you bring multiple players to the roster who give out high numbers you don’t end up scoring 150 goals…someone else’s numbers inevitably take a hit overall. Amad a top player, a team player and yet another who makes us tick without credit because stats warp everyone’s shizzle.
Issue is, top clubs don’t wait around on maybes and really can’t afford to do so from a competitive, aspirational standpoint; you’ve got to get the best in you can, and Amad’s performances would not justify him being a starter next season if he keeps them up.
And honestly, going from a starter to a rotation option is a disaster, even if “fighting for your place” is the word. Demoted starters rarely do that.
You're absolutely spot on with everything you said there.. Unfortunately it's the modern day fifa playing fanbase that believe if you're not getting constant G/A as one of the front 4 then it's a major concern.. We absolutely see the difference when Amad starts vs when he doesn't.. We lose all control without him and let's also not forget that this is the first season since he joined us where he's playing in his natural position on a regular basis and even this season he spent half of it playing as wingback. People need to relax and watch him flourish over the next few years as he's a gem and as Carrick said is a joy to work with.
People are so highly critical of him. He won the ball back countless times for us, almost had a headed goal that took an amazing save to keep out, and might have scored another if Sesko made a proper pass. He was very involved and played his part.
Yep, being demoted to a squad man is not a great thing, but the moment we signed Mbeumo is the moment had to start worrying about his place in the squad. He held onto his spot during the disastrous Amorim tactics abomination, but now that Sesko is growing from a boy to a man it's either Mbeumo or Amad who sits down to make room in the starting XI.
Carrick will likely stick with Sesko coming off the bench until we've locked up 4th place, but after that and into next season it's a duel for the starting role at RW. A good problem to have.
Prefer him out wide to Mbuemo, and next season in 4 competitions he will get plenty of first team opportunities and will likely feature significantly in the biggest games. He's gonna be around for a long while i expect (assuming we cement top 4 status over the coming years and challenge for leagues).
For whatever reason I feel like much is made out of nothing when it comes to him. He’s fine. Better decision-making/execution from Sesko yesterday and he’s back on the score sheet. Ramadan will be over soon too - so his energy levels will also be better.
Lastly, I've posted this in the Mainoo thread, but it's also worth posting here:
team is less likely to drop points when technically proficient players start, shocker
Lastly, I've posted this in the Mainoo thread, but it's also worth posting here:
team is less likely to drop points when technically proficient players start, shocker
This data would be particularly interesting if we had number of games played included. Mainoo has benefitted massively from playing all games under Carrick, while he wasn't with Amorim
It's one of his strongest points in my opinion and the stats back it up. He does seem to have the odd loss in concentration where he's given it away in bad positions but on the whole he rarely gives away the ball while passing - in fact, I suspect he has among the highest pass completion rates among forward players in the league.
He plays some really poor lazy passes. He's been frustrating since his return from AFCON.
I’d hope that most people know that the higher number of games you start naturally the harder it is to keep those numbers up. however - I don’t think things happen in a vacuum. A smaller sample of games for Mainoo, yes - but I’m not solely of the belief that he’s benefitted massively from starting games under Carrick, while he wasn’t with Amorim. I also believe the team benefitted massively from his inclusion thus the improvement in results.
This sort of statistic is pretty useless though, in all reality, because it ignores the calibre of opposition, the players playing around the player in question etc
Not to me. I think patterns/trends can be identified so long as you’re careful with how that information is presented. I think it’s poor to suggest stats are only useful if accounting for xyz number of variables.
I'm glad that you can discern subtle patterns that you want to see amidst all of the many, many variables, but I find context useful.
OK? I didn’t exactly broach you pertaining what you find useful, so I find the passive-aggressiveness in your post (?) odd. I posted a data set, which doesn’t surprise me. We generally do well amassing points when Amad starts in the PL this season. That is enough context for the sentiment I got across.
If you want more data markers for whatever it is you want to discuss - you’re free to post them/do so
Yeah admittedly that table is fairly useless to deduce anything without sufficient context.
In topic though, hope he rediscovers his form a bit. He’s been off the boil for a while now but I think Mbeumo needs a break.
Apologies, you're right, I was a bit pass agg. That's my bad.
Agreed. When he's on song he's great to watch, it's just not frequently enough.
Should cash in while he still have some value. You know that people are scratching a bottom of the barrel when attacker are praised by his defensive work.
Fans gets too attached with our young players
Fans gets too attached with our young players
Nah we should hold onto him, I have no doubts in my mind he'll be better than Mbuemo and Cunha in a couple of years
Why? We need six forwards for next season. Who do you want to replace him with?
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Is this a serious post? Surely not.
Whatever cash we get for him will need to be spent on his replacement anyway. You'd just be adding to the positions we need to fill in the summer for no benefit. Who are you going to upgrade him with that will cost the same as what we sell him for?