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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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The point of the list is passing the ball up to the final third players. Which is what you want from your midfielders, especially DMs on the ball. It cannot get more simple than that
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If the release clause isnt in effect until the summer then this isnt happening in January.
Bundesliga is currently giving Eredivise vibes with all the failed transfers from over there.
Both of them will cost about 100m and I don't think they are 100m better than what we have . Bellingham is an 18 year old kid. We need someone who can come in and do the Job now.
The thing that fustrates/worries me the most is the links by fans and the media to CDM that can't hold the position of the CDM.
They can't do what Matic does and stick to one position by always being in front of the attack like Carrick could.
Now I just see a bunch of "CDM" that are chasing the ball over the pitch, pressing the opposition CDM one moment and then running back to make a last ditch tackle on the CAM that got put through in to the free space because of him.
These types of players remind me more of the improvement of Fred in our team - rather than an exact replacement for Matic or even Carrick and how they would be able to defend the back 4.
They can't do what Matic does and stick to one position by always being in front of the attack like Carrick could.
Now I just see a bunch of "CDM" that are chasing the ball over the pitch, pressing the opposition CDM one moment and then running back to make a last ditch tackle on the CAM that got put through in to the free space because of him.
These types of players remind me more of the improvement of Fred in our team - rather than an exact replacement for Matic or even Carrick and how they would be able to defend the back 4.
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If the release clause isnt in effect until the summer then this isnt happening in January.
The fact that Bellingham was standing out in the Championship at 16 makes him almost bulletproof from a scouting standpoint. Sancho was so promising at youth level in England most likely means if he stays focused and hungry (same with Greenwood) he’s simply too good of a player not to majorly kick on eventually. Sancho and Bellingham have had good matches in the CL, against Munich etc. obviously a proper system like Dortmund maximises players talents and takes away a lot of the guess work for players and that’s where we are currently falling down. We are still too low energy and playing off the cuff. I’m convinced you could have put Messi in our team post 2013 and he’d look average in a team that’s become every man for himself
How do you explain Havertz, Werner, Jovic and Haller? I am not just talking about failed Manchester United Bundesliga failures.
I mean Havertz started and scored the winning goal in a CL final and is a starter for Germany. He's young and needs time to fulfill his potential, though it's not like he was a Sancho level prospect anyway. Not sure Tuchel's style is the type to get the best of him anyway.
Werner is a decent player but wasteful in front of goal, he was never the same level of talent as Sancho (none of those were). Haller had a decent season before going to West Ham, did feck all for 1 year (many struggle in their first season) and then went to Ajax where he's been tearing it up in the CL.
The club, manager and system/style that club uses has far more impact on a players adaptability rather than the league. I'd say in the vast majority of times, if a player flops but succeeds elsewhere, it's almost always down to the club, not the league. Put Sancho with Pep or Klopp and you'd see a different player. Sometimes its also the confidence from a high profile move. Werner has 7 goals from 16 xG. That's just an extreme level of bad finishing. It'll change over time, it always does, but he was also a player who excelled as a poached in a counter attacking team where his team didn't need to dominate games, to going to Chelsea where they'll now dominate games. It doesn't suit his style as much.
You know who else came from the Bundesliga? De Bruyne. Gundogan. Firmino. All 3 players who are used to their maximum by 3 world class coaches, and aren't being used out of position or wasted.
I think that the PL/Real are very difficult places to go for players who might need space and time to acclimatise. Even the worst PL teams are physically excellent and have some ballers who can hurt you. If you don’t almost instantly spark at Real you are crap and they are replacing you, no matter how good you actually are
In the PL are very few easy games to build rhythm and confidence. Haller looks good again in the ED & CL and he barely looked a player in the PL. Havertz and Werner both look like pretty important players for Germany and Havertz looked like he was going to kick on after the Euros but hasn’t. Auba, Firmino, Keita and a few others haven’t done too badly for themselves here but 2 out of those 3 were going to the best manager in the country who knew their games inside out.
I think after Kagawa and Miki we won’t be so quick to go after players who had a freak season or two in the BL but I can still appreciate why our scouts would be flagging up bellingham and Sancho. Stars of the underage teams and playing pro ball since 16/17, very professional and marketable lads. Potentially future England stalwarts. There’s a lot there to like for an English team who can afford it.
Sessegnon was doing the same at Fulham at 16 but has still to step up at PL.
I totally get it but given everything we know about our scouting and recruitment it seems we rarely if ever think outside the box anymore. Sancho and Bellingham (and maybe even Sessegnon) are Fergie type signings so on paper it’s still the right way to go. I think it really doesn’t help that we don’t have a system of play in mind or a team of serial winners for these youngsters to come into and fall into line. It’s more of a we are cool player power group than a serious about winning group by the sounds of things. Fergie would have never let that happen to this extent. Changing managers every year or two and backing players over the manager unfortunately has given the players almost total control.
I would give Sancho the season as I think he will come good and he's a proper winger that we desperately need. The other player have been a waste and the money that we paid for them were way over the odds.
I have no idea why they hired him maybe to "Show" that we are moving in the right direction but in reality we will never move forward and will stay a club just to get into the top 4 and never challenge for titles ever again. I had high hopes that the board have opened their eyes and want to modernise but I think it's for "Show".
I read somewhere that his preference is ETH and the boards is Poch there is already discrepancy between the Rangnick and board about the managers. He want's a midfielder in now be it Zakaria or Haidara he knows what type of players he wants and how he wants to play, if the board are already dragging their feet on this for players and his recommendation for manager I would walk from the job at the end of January.
Save the money for Jude Bellingham and go for Bruno as internal short solution until the summer:
Internal short solution until summer: Bruno down as nr.8
Sancho/Greenwood - Bruno/Pobga - McTom/Fred - Rashford/Sancho + Greenwood/DVB/Lingard - Ronaldo/Cavani
External solutions this summer:
- new nr.8/creative offensive cm = Jude Bellingham
- new nr.6 for Matic = Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco and France
Season 22/23
Sancho/Greenwood - Bellingham - Tchouaméni/McTom - Rashford/Sancho + Bruno + Greewood/Ronaldo
Internal short solution until summer: Bruno down as nr.8
Sancho/Greenwood - Bruno/Pobga - McTom/Fred - Rashford/Sancho + Greenwood/DVB/Lingard - Ronaldo/Cavani
External solutions this summer:
- new nr.8/creative offensive cm = Jude Bellingham
- new nr.6 for Matic = Aurélien Tchouaméni from Monaco and France
Season 22/23
Sancho/Greenwood - Bellingham - Tchouaméni/McTom - Rashford/Sancho + Bruno + Greewood/Ronaldo
Think we are done with being burned by Dortmund for mediocre players.
I like him. Strong tackler and can pass the ball forward. Also good control of the ball which is lacking from us in the middle.
I just hope something good came out of the meeting with Murtough and Arnold about transfers. If Rangnick wants players now in this window he should be listened to. If not he should just quit at end of the 6 months.
Why keep ramming lies down our throats about him having a say in all transfers and even the new manager and the genius that he is etc. They are pulling the wool over our eyes again, like every season.
Why keep ramming lies down our throats about him having a say in all transfers and even the new manager and the genius that he is etc. They are pulling the wool over our eyes again, like every season.
He's played in the 6 against Villa, Everton and West Ham and done well against both of them. What is the issue here?
He's not weaker than Fred, not slower than Matic, not worse on the ball than Mctominay?
You're obviously welcome to think what you like, but the evidence is already there that he'd be able to perform the role no problem.
Look at Haidara's career. He's only become an XI player for Leipzig this season whilst they have significantly declined. Before that he was a rotation option. He doesn't even appear to be a guaranteed starter for Mali at the moment and they're ranked below Ireland in the FIFA rankings! It may well be the case that he's a highly specialised system player that fits into Rangnick's team but if we bring in a manager like Poch (this may well be our only option) in the summer who has no use for this specialist then it's £35m down the toilet. Then there's the gamble that this player can make the step up from the BL to PL in the first place. We've seen plenty of players that were much better in the BL than this lad struggle badly.
Sorry but I never mentioned Haidara in this post. But hell we need a holding midfielder better than Matic and maybe be able to break up the pivot of 2 holding midfielders.
I think Rangnick likes Haidara as a box to box and Zakaria as a holding midfielder, but I am not saying go get them. There are others that I like ahead of these. Kessie, Tcouameni, Kamara, Bissouma. But someone this window.
Just sign a DM already, we're always slow as feck with everything
Bissouma. Not going anywhere until proven innocent. I wish people would stop suggesting him
How many of the games did we win and control?
The Villa game was 1-1 but we bossed it.
Everton was 3-0 up at HT when he got subbed.
The West Ham game we lost 1-0 but it was a solid all round performance.
There's seriously been no awful performances at all when he's played deeper. Whenever he plays higher up the pitch it shows his weaknesses way more.
I'd be quite happy to play him as the DLP in a Pirlo style role with Fred and Fernandes ahead.
Which Villa game did he start? I actually don't recall him starting against Villa unless you are talking about the pre season game?
West Hame 1-0 in the cup was not a solid performances, they had chances galore and we created nothing
Is the Everton one the league cup game when he played in a diamond?
Also, he has had bad ones, Young Boys at Home, Istanbul away last season too.
He is not able to play the defensive role IMO.
Certainly looks decent there but then it's a highlight reel. His tackling almost reminds me of AWB, great reach with the extended leg to nick the ball out from under the player.
We just need a functional player that does the basics well and allows the rest to shine. We need one this window or we're in trouble.
Im also focused on the fact he can dribble. Look at all three of our midfielders. Fred can dribble a bit but has no balance(very important) plus an inconsistent touch. Mctominay cant dribble out of tight spaces and also lacks positional awareness. Bruno is very immobile, doesn't dribble well on the ball and also lacks balance. You cant beat a press with midfielders that cant dribble and move at a moments notice.
This guy on the other hand looks like he can dribble, play a forward pass and tackle. Those are very good signs.
Still VDB who I thought could dribble and secure the ball hasn't made his way into the starting 11 for some reason. The difference might be he lack of defense.
He is not a DM so we should never buy him atm. It will be beyond stupid with Ragnicks new 433 formation. Go cheap for Zakaria or mid range for Nevez.
Yes both pre season games. Most of the others he was shunted wide in a diamond or in the 10. Obviously there's a limited amount of games to choose from but he played well against a full strength Villa.
He definitely wasn't bad against young boys, Istanbul I don't remember him being bad either - but it was a shocking team performance.
Using pre-season games is a pretty shoddy defence. Might as well keep hold of the pre-season Pele Andreas.
So the 2/3 games you mentioned are pre season games, not a very good barometer of a player is that?
Also, so when Donny plays, and the team is bad and we lose, the rest of the team is shocking but when McFred play there its them who are bad?
People mentioned how Ole didn't know how to use him, poor coach, vibes fc and whatever, Ralf has come in and he is not being played either.
When will we realise maybe Donny isnt good enough?
Anyway, this is the Haidara thread, would prefer to see a player of his profile that can get about and cover areas of the pitch.
Donny is better than Mcfred. Those to are no better than Norwitch midfield. It could be a attitute problem. Maybe he has played a major role all the drama in the dressing room ? Who knows ?
Clearly it seems you have more credentials than Ole and Ralf, who despite losing games, not controlling games continuously played McFred.
If he was the cause in the dressing room, Ole would have got rid when he had the chance and Ralf would not be asking him to stay.
Maybe we need to stop making excuses.
While we desperately need a CM, I can understand if the club don’t want to sign someone for big money at this point. We don’t know who the next manager will be at this point. Buying a player is risky, given that the new manager might not fancy him.
Of course, if we already are in talks and have agreed terms with a new manager, and they have given their blessing on the player, that’s the ideal case scenario. But that is too much to hope for this club.
Of course, if we already are in talks and have agreed terms with a new manager, and they have given their blessing on the player, that’s the ideal case scenario. But that is too much to hope for this club.
Players are here for many years, managers less so. We shouldn't be signing anyone based on a managers approval it needs to be club led and then the manager works with what he's got.
So if we are hiring someone like ETH and the new player we sign doesn’t suit him, then he should be forced to play him anyway? this only makes sense if the club have a very clear approach to their game. If we are signing someone who is in the mold of Ralf, then that’s great. However, our top picks seem to be ETH or Poch, both of them don’t share Ralfs footballing philosophy.
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Well it's an extremely small sample size isn't it?
How about when he came on at half time in the PL against Watford and bossed it from midfield until we got the red, is that better?
Both those pre season games were against PL opposition and full strength midfields. If he can do it then, he can do it when fully fit also.
I've seen way more evidence that he IS good in that position rather than vice versa.
Well it's an extremely small sample size isn't it?
How about when he came on at half time in the PL against Watford and bossed it from midfield until we got the red, is that better?
Both those pre season games were against PL opposition and full strength midfields. If he can do it then, he can do it when fully fit also.
I've seen way more evidence that he IS good in that position rather than vice versa.
Well you simply don't sign players that lack the fundamentals to play the type of football the club wants to adopt. A slightly different football philosophy doesn't mean a player can't play in such a system, fundamentals like not being able to pass or run do.
It's likely we'll change manager every few seasons, you can't buy a new 11 everytime.
Any player that is constantly having to rely on slide tackling is a player that will end up committing a lot of fouls or getting caught out of position