Good actually. We need Amad as no 10 and also we need Amad as wingback. We need lot of Amad
. If he’s stylistically similar, then it would be good signing for united.Amorim's Rebuild
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. If he’s stylistically similar, then it would be good signing for united.So a RWB that cuts inside and a RAM that cuts inside also?Good actually. We need Amad as no 10 and also we need Amad as wingback. We need lot of Amad
I don’t see that as an issue. Both shows they can still cover the width without cutting inside and both can interchange position during the game.
If Trincao who is left footed and cuts inside plays as RAM doesn’t clash with Quenda in Amorim’s system, why should it be an issue with Quenda & Amad?
Because I think Quenda will cost a lot of money and isn't as proven and doesn't really offer anything Amad doesn't. I'd rather spend what little money we might have on a LWB.
Back when we had the DOF debate many good points were made of buying system.splayers that would fit different managers long term, so we didnt have to but a set of distinct players for Van Gaal, Mourinho, Solskjær, etc.
Now we need to buy a dedicated wingback only for Amorim’s system even if we dont know if Amorim will turn it around. Ultimately we’re forced to back him and get the player(s) for his system. A system few teams play, where said wingback will have little suitors when Amorim’s gone.
Therefore, I’m a bit against splashing 40-60m on a guy like that + We have one of the biggest talents in Garnacho going to waste mostly because he doesnt fit the system.
Therefore, I’d be cool with a Chilwell loan if he has maintained his form. He has the attacking qualities we lack. Can cross and has a good talent for positioning himself in attack.
Now we need to buy a dedicated wingback only for Amorim’s system even if we dont know if Amorim will turn it around. Ultimately we’re forced to back him and get the player(s) for his system. A system few teams play, where said wingback will have little suitors when Amorim’s gone.
Therefore, I’m a bit against splashing 40-60m on a guy like that + We have one of the biggest talents in Garnacho going to waste mostly because he doesnt fit the system.
Therefore, I’d be cool with a Chilwell loan if he has maintained his form. He has the attacking qualities we lack. Can cross and has a good talent for positioning himself in attack.
Anyone watch sporting a lot under Ruben? I see a lot mentioned about his system using a wingback with the opposite foot and I just want to know if there is a tactical reason for this that anyone knows of?
Because watching the system as it is now it seems to me it would work far better with wingbacks that go wide and would be playing on the side of their natural foot. Especially if your 10’s are coming inside onto their stronger foot. Just seems like that would minimise the space.
When I watch it now it seems to me that ideally we need Frimpong as he gives you everything we need from the right and then Mendes, Krkez or whomever for the left would also do the same.
I just can’t see a tactical reason as to why he would need an inverted wingback in a 3-4-3 especially when you have inverted 10’s.
Anyone got a theory on why a 343 would have an inverted wingback?
Because watching the system as it is now it seems to me it would work far better with wingbacks that go wide and would be playing on the side of their natural foot. Especially if your 10’s are coming inside onto their stronger foot. Just seems like that would minimise the space.
When I watch it now it seems to me that ideally we need Frimpong as he gives you everything we need from the right and then Mendes, Krkez or whomever for the left would also do the same.
I just can’t see a tactical reason as to why he would need an inverted wingback in a 3-4-3 especially when you have inverted 10’s.
Anyone got a theory on why a 343 would have an inverted wingback?
I think it's usually only his LWB that's inverted right?
Quenda plays off the right and is a left footed and we’ve seen Amad do it but I really don’t see any tactical benefit from it.
Like Dalot doing it on the opposite side we can see the limitations and the time we’ve actually looked half decent is when he has decided to go on the outside and use his left. The system just seems to work better with your wingbacks being orthodox.
He’s not had time to really get his ideas across so maybe the system just isn’t functioning as it should and he has the 1 inverted so that when coming from the opposite side you have another attacking option coming in. Or the two 10’s split wide so that your inverted winger is coming inside in to space for a shooting opportunity.
Just wonder if anyone has properly watched them and can explain it.
Goes without saying, but we have to be astute with who we buy. Contrary to what a lot people think, last summer's business was very good. Ugarte and Maz have exceeded expectations. Yoro is raw potential. De ligt is on par based on a, reasonable transfer fee. Zirkzee is pure poo but can't win them all.
I think people forget we moved on 17 players last summer (Greenwood, mcT, Sancho, VDB, AWB, kambwala, forson, Pellistri, mcneill, Fernandez and a few more.
On top of that, we will almost definitely get rid of casimero, eriksen, lindelof, Evans, rashford. Then there's possible departures in Antony, malacia, bayindir, garnacho.
That is a lot of players! No wonder our squad looks so anaemic. Hopefully it means a fresh slate for amorim to properly rebuild.
There is a lot of opportunities out there if we're smart. Mbuemo is a must, contract ends in 2026. Likewise for branwaite. Anyone from inter would fit the system perfectly. Same with liverkusen and multiple Italian teams so we need to look there. There isn't a huge market for 3-4-3 players so we should use that to our advantage
I think people forget we moved on 17 players last summer (Greenwood, mcT, Sancho, VDB, AWB, kambwala, forson, Pellistri, mcneill, Fernandez and a few more.
On top of that, we will almost definitely get rid of casimero, eriksen, lindelof, Evans, rashford. Then there's possible departures in Antony, malacia, bayindir, garnacho.
That is a lot of players! No wonder our squad looks so anaemic. Hopefully it means a fresh slate for amorim to properly rebuild.
There is a lot of opportunities out there if we're smart. Mbuemo is a must, contract ends in 2026. Likewise for branwaite. Anyone from inter would fit the system perfectly. Same with liverkusen and multiple Italian teams so we need to look there. There isn't a huge market for 3-4-3 players so we should use that to our advantage
So frustrating we blew so much money on mediocrity under Ten Hag meaning we can't back Ruben to start his rebuild in this window
You should look at the original post again that I also nominated 2 LWB not just 1 RWB. So, I haven’t ignore the LWB. This squad is currently doesn’t have wingback so We need 3 WB not just LWB and not just RWB.
Seems really obvious that we should go for Tyler Dibling in the summer - Southampton is almost guaranteed to go down and cant keep him, so he should be available for about £30 million worst case scenario. And he looks really interesting
It may not feel like it now - but it could prove beneficial in the long run. He can have more time to really get to know his players and decide who to get rid of and who to sign....
Only Europa League can save this season - a win in the FA-Cup wont do it.
Which position would you think he'd play in our system? The right number 10? RWB? He looks really good to me, and a great profile of player for us, but I wonder whether he could adapt to the more defensive winger role. I'm also concerned that he left Chelsea to go back to Southampton due to being homesick, albeit he was very young then. Wilcox will have the inside track on him so that certainly helps.
Would have been interested to see what he could have do with Luiz on loan from Juve and Kolo-Muani from PSG. Unfortunately we are having problems moving Casemiro, Antony and Rashford to make it possible
That’s quite a lot! I’m not sure how he feels about Onana but the centre back options look strong and you can possibly see the beginnings of a good team:
Onana
??? Yoro De Ligt Martinez ???
Ugarte ???
Bruno Amad
???
I’d be very surprised if the likes of Mainoo or Dalot are moved on. Both could be first team players if they got a little better/more consistent.
Blame the idiots who agreed the wages for casemiro, rashford, Anthony, erikson. Unfortunately we're unable to do business with these people still on the books.
Amorim doesn't have six transfer windows. Didn't he only sign for this season plus two?
Amorim doesn't have six transfer windows. Didn't he only sign for this season plus two?
There is no way Amorim said that, if he said something similar then its been taken out of context (surely?)
I am furious at those idiots who gave the first two ridiculous wages and paid through nose for Antony. Had we got some you know people who understood how to get value in transfers then could have taken small steps on rebuild in this window.
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I reckon that's a play on when he said it will take two years to challenge meaning going into a third year, which is technically 6 transfer windows.
It’s just a made up number, like most tripe on twitter - wouldn’t waste any of your time thinking about it!
Too late.
Looking at our squad I don’t think six is a lot, I assume by getting us to where he wants to be he means competing for title and being competitive in Champions League.
If we could achieve that in 6 windows I think it would be a good achievement because you have to factor in the financial circumstances and how difficult it is and how long it will take to get rid of so many of these players. There’s a good chance the first window will pass without any permanent signings or sales for the the first team.
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Goddammit!
To be fair, even if one takes what Graeme Bailey speculates at face value, we do not know where Amorim “wants it to be”, and that is the most pertinent bit.
If he wants it to be at a historically significant level by clubs standards, then 6 transfer windows is not a lot by any stretch of the imagination (in fact, 6 transfer windows might even be an overly optimistic estimate, as we would have we do everything right, particularly in terms of identifying and successfully recruiting genuine difference-makers with the appropriate blend of technical, athletic, tactical and leadership qualities, over that timeframe.)
Feels like a lifetime ago, but we once used to have some of the absolute best players and talents in the world at most Starting XI positions, folk who were consistently up for it and could be trusted to make a difference when the pressure was on. Amorim definitely remembers some of those United teams as someone who grew up in the '90s and 2000s; perhaps that is the bleeding edge of his ambition, and where he really wants it to be, and he will not be satisfied with merely being “one of the bottle.”
Definitely not.
Ignoring the ridiculous transfer policies of City and Chelsea, I'd look at Klopp's rebuild at Liverpool as a model.
Take just their biggest signings: Mane one year, Salah the next, Fabinho and Alisson the following year. Plus van Dijk in a winter transfer window at some point in between.
That's already at least 7 transfer windows by the time they start the season where they won the champions league and it took yet another season for the league title.
Don't pay no mind to anything by graeme Bailey, stealing a living.
Get a clinical ST, a LWB and a very technical creative AM and we finish top 4 quite easy next season.
Maybe one more top CM and one CB too please, we can even win the league (jk but who knows)
Ye I’d say the 3 positions I mentioned should be priority but then we’ll need replacements for Casemiro, Lindelof/Maguire if one of them is sold. Let’s improve the starting 11 first and then go for squad depth.
I think we'd see a major improvement with 3 signings - 2 WB's and a striker.
We also need rotational options in midfield.
We also need rotational options in midfield.
+ a couple of midfielders to replace Eriksen / Casemiro. I'd even skip the clinical ST in favor of more midfield players. But yeah for me a LWB and a #10 are the most important signings to make.
I feel like a better ST can really transform things for us. Someone that can finish chances aswell as create for themself. Someone in the mould of Isak. A LWB is very crucial, can’t remember the last time we had a decent fit LB all season.
For me he would be one of the 10s, as he is an inverted winger, which is what they are.
Clearly incredibly technical, fast, certainly been one of Southamptons stand out players, in a crap Prem team.
The homesick factor might of been due to his age, he might not want to travel up north, but he’s older and maybe this might be the right time for him to move to the bigger club.
I have no doubt Wilcox will know all about him, he will have come up in discussions no doubt.
Can’t wait to watch him Thursday and see what he’s like.
Who should we target for those positions?
The targets I think we could sign. Gyokeres, Nuno mendes or Patrick Dorgu. Not sure on the number 10, have we even been linked with any #10s?
Well that's like 30% of the team. So yes.
I'm completely bored of this window now.
I don’t think we get top 4/6 without another quality CM either ANd if we show the effort we’ve shown in the last two games. so let’s see how the rest of this season pans out before getting carried away (only to I be ultra frustrated again after)
Re the new signings needed that list is possibly £200-£250m which I’d be surprised if we spend even half of that in the summer.
Main thing next season is to see consistent effort + players fully adopting Amorim’s ideas. I’m not concerned if we don’t get top 4 as long as we see substantial improvement and then next season after let’s see!