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Not buying that. Matic's first instinct is to run back into his own box.Nah Ander gets into CB to get in the way of a cross more than Matic does
I'll hold back judgement on him and Matic until we get the RB, LB and CB we so desperately need. Along with the RW of course. Sort out those positions ad we might see exactly what Ander could be. Not as silky as Silva or De Brunye but more tenacious and more of a goal threat than Silva if he's in a team that dominates like City. He destroyed us with Bilbao, it's not that he can't do it, it's just that he hasn't had a platform to do it. Keane was no Silva but with the right platform he was a hell of a lot better player than the former was. Not saying that Ander can do that but we have only seen him perform well in a dysfunctional team, I assume we'd see better in a proper one.Not buying that. Matic's first instinct is to run back into his own box.
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...er-League-2017-2018-Arsenal-Manchester-United
The heat maps show that as well, Matic was all over our box while Herrera had his prints on the flanks and a bit in the box.
Amazing that neither LVG or Mourinho made him a key player for us.
He won player of the year in Jose’s first season lads...LVG did use him at times. Mourinho treated him like a reserve player.
Then dumped him as soon as he got a replacement he liked. That’s even worse!He won player of the year in Jose’s first season lads...
Matic is a top player and played well the following season. He helped us finish second.Then dumped him as soon as he got a replacement he liked. That’s even worse!
What judgement did I make exactly? I was the one defending him when people were saying he's not good enough and has never been consistent. He provides a little bit of everything, a very intelligent midfielder. However, I'm not going to deny that these all round midfielders are a dying breed, midfielders have become increasingly specialised and reliant on systems.I'll hold back judgement on him and Matic until we get the RB, LB and CB we so desperately need. Along with the RW of course. Sort out those positions ad we might see exactly what Ander could be. Not as silky as Silva or De Brunye but more tenacious and more of a goal threat than Silva if he's in a team that dominates like City. He destroyed us with Bilbao, it's not that he can't do it, it's just that he hasn't had a platform to do it. Keane was no Silva but with the right platform he was a hell of a lot better player than the former was. Not saying that Ander can do that but we have only seen him perform well in a dysfunctional team, I assume we'd see better in a proper one.
He has never cemented his place here because his two previous managers made bad decisions. Van Gaal changed his system and brought in Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin to replace him after a good first season, which didn’t work. Mourinho replaced him in the lineup with Matic after a season where Herrera outperformed his replacement and was the clubs best player. Matic started off on fire, but with hindsight that really wasn’t justified either.Matic plays in Fernandinho's role in front of the back 4...Herrera is sort of stuck in a middle ground of being a DM and CM. He was also an AM at Bilbao. He has no position seemingly, and that's why he seems to never cement his place. He's a jack of all trades.
Yeah, but the second season and on, he wasnt used as much, or in an effective role..he was fantastic that season and never got the chance to build on it.He won player of the year in Jose’s first season lads...
He scored 13 goals under LVG and 4 under Moutinho. All his goals together under Mourinho don't pass his lowest tally under LVG.Feck me this is a delusional post. Herrera's best season was under Mourinho. To give LVG credit for using Herrera is nonsensical, he scolded him for trying to go forward and shoot the ball instead of passing sideways.
For crosses on set pieces yesNot buying that. Matic's first instinct is to run back into his own box.
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...er-League-2017-2018-Arsenal-Manchester-United
The heat maps show that as well, Matic was all over our box while Herrera had his prints on the flanks and a bit in the box.
Matic started well and Herrera started poorly, so it was fair enough for the first half of the season or so. But Matic's form was on a slow downward trend throughout the season and Herrera did generally play well in the second half of the season when he got his chances, so we really should have used Herrera more during that period.Matic is a top player and played well the following season. He helped us finish second.
I agree that Ander's role includes him helping out the RB, especially if we are playing with a forward staying high up the pitch. If we had a top RB Herrera would look even better.Yes their positions are similar, but the roles are different. Herrera does much more tracking and covering in wide areas while Matic does in central areas which is more typical of DMs. 9/10 times Matic will be the one dropping into centre back to cover a space, Herrera on the hand will be dropping into full back. Herrera also has more license to go forward.
It is a good partnership and credit to Ole for making the 4-2-3-1 work with Matic-Herrera holding.
https://www.manutd.com/en/news/deta...d-player-is-allowed-to-attack-under-solskjaerHerrera also refused to discuss the subject of his future, deciding instead to focus on the “more important” subject of Burnley at home, when asked by one journalist about a potential new deal.
“I’m not going to talk about my contract,” he told the press. “We have more important things happening now than my contract so I just try to perform.
“My priority is to beat Burnley, Leicester… and if I deserve a new contract, the contract will come. I’m not a selfish guy, I want the team to keep winning games, I don’t go crazy about my contract.”
He's a natural captain material, what are we waiting for.. Give him the damn contract already
Not really. They attacked down the left because Lukaku played wide right but didn't defend (intentionally). It gave Kolasinac a free run and Herrera had to shuffle across to make a 2v2 with Iwobi and Young. Ander's ability to play these hybrid tactical roles are his greatest attribute. It left Lukaku free to attack the space behind Kolasinac which won the game.I thought he did ok today. Didn't win as many tackles as he normally does and that is why almost all of Arsenals attacked were from our right.
It really isn't a 4-2-3-1 and Pogba isn't playing as a number 10. It's a 4-3-3 with Matic deep, Herrera right and Pogba left.Yes their positions are similar, but the roles are different. Herrera does much more tracking and covering in wide areas while Matic does in central areas which is more typical of DMs. 9/10 times Matic will be the one dropping into centre back to cover a space, Herrera on the hand will be dropping into full back. Herrera also has more license to go forward.
It is a good partnership and credit to Ole for making the 4-2-3-1 work with Matic-Herrera holding.
Not really. They attacked down the left because Lukaku played wide right but didn't defend (intentionally). It gave Kolasinac a free run and Herrera had to shuffle across to make a 2v2 with Iwobi and Young. Ander's ability to play these hybrid tactical roles are his greatest attribute. It left Lukaku free to attack the space behind Kolasinac which won the game.
It really isn't a 4-2-3-1 and Pogba isn't playing as a number 10. It's a 4-3-3 with Matic deep, Herrera right and Pogba left.
It's not a balanced formation and Herrera's role is more defensive than Pogba's, as is Shaw's compared to Young. When Jes/QUOTE]
That is what Herrera does every game. His role is to support Young and cover for him and he does it beautifully. What I was saying is he didn't win as many tackles as he normally does and that is why Arsenal created a lot of chances from our right. Normally this happens from the left side as Martial and Pogba don't have Shaw defensively as much as Herrera does on the other side.Not really. They attacked down the left because Lukaku played wide right but didn't defend (intentionally). It gave Kolasinac a free run and Herrera had to shuffle across to make a 2v2 with Iwobi and Young. Ander's ability to play these hybrid tactical roles are his greatest attribute. It left Lukaku free to attack the space behind Kolasinac which won the game.
It really isn't a 4-2-3-1 and Pogba isn't playing as a number 10. It's a 4-3-3 with Matic deep, Herrera right and Pogba left.
It's not a balanced formation and Herrera's role is more defensive than Pogba's, as is Shaw's compared to Young. When Jesse and Martial play wide, they also have different roles (Jesse plays narrower) but it is definitely not a 4-2-3-1.
As for Ander, he does it every season. The club tries to buy a better player to replace him and by the end of the season he has played his way back into the team. Rinse and repeat in the summer.
Only in the system where Jesse plays the false 9 and Rashford/Lukaku plays wide right. When Jesse plays wide right he defends a lot more on that side.That is what Herrera does every game. His role is to support Young and cover for him and he does it beautifully. What I was saying is he didn't win as many tackles as he normally does and that is why Arsenal created a lot of chances from our right. Normally this happens from the left side as Martial and Pogba don't have Shaw defensively as much as Herrera does on the other side.
I can’t help but find this bit slightly concerning:
Maybe I’m looking into those few words too deeply but it comes across as if he either hasn’t been offered a contract or he hasn’t been offered the contract that he feels he deserves. Either way we’ve left it quite late. He gives the impression that he genuinely loves the club and wants to stay so hopefully we get it done soon as our first eleven is much better with him in it imo.Ander Herrera said:and if I deserve a new contract, the contract will come
More likely the latter. I'm guessing the club offered him a contract based on him only being a squad player over the last 18 months, whereas Herrera wants one more suited to someone in the starting line-up. Both for the money, but also as he probably doesn't want to only be a squad player and wants assurances that he's seen as a first teamer going forward.Maybe I’m looking into those few words too deeply but it comes across as if he either hasn’t been offered a contract or he hasn’t been offered the contract that he feels he deserves. Either way we’ve left it quite late. He gives the impression that he genuinely loves the club and wants to stay so hopefully we get it done soon as our first eleven is much better with him in it imo.
This is true. I think because Arsenal had so many players linking up on the left side - Ramsey and the 2 strikers would take turns getting involved and were quickly passing before he could confront and tackle or intercept. Bailly didnt come across to help on the right side, so it was Young with some help from AnderThat is what Herrera does every game. His role is to support Young and cover for him and he does it beautifully. What I was saying is he didn't win as many tackles as he normally does and that is why Arsenal created a lot of chances from our right. Normally this happens from the left side as Martial and Pogba don't have Shaw defensively as much as Herrera does on the other side.
He wasn't though. He was still pretty effective and has been throughout his career here. Often he was being asked to do things outside of his skillset (like be the creative outlet when Pogba was out) and then chastised when he inevitably didn't perform.I was wrong about Herrera. Thought he was hugely inconsistent and serving as deadwood in the team (Not useless, but blocking matchday squad places), with a particularly poor season this year under Jose. Also disliked his lack of composure at this this season, where he had a tendency to hoof.
Glad I was wrong. Great played under OGS and one of the 1st names on the team sheet. Give him.a contract extension
Fred was supposed to be that one. Was surprised he did not play. Ole might take this giving youth a chance too far. Mc tominay also has already signed a new contract without earning anything.I said previously that he sets the tempo for us with his aggression and that was perfectly demonstrated today where we were lacking his involvement.
We have no one else like him in the squad and in this period,where the fixtures are piling up,his resting periods could foresee more dropped points for us.
