Ander Herrera: Ole Gunnar Solskjaer the right man for Man United despite 'tough job ahead'

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Everyone here talking shit about Ander yet usually the comments are “ander bleeds red. He’s the only one who works hard and tries.. captain on and off the field” etc...

Hypocritical fans. You guys need to calm down. He is allowed to change teams, even if it’s for money. Don’t be so butthurt.
 

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The arrogance of our fans sometimes haha. Maybe Ander is leaving because PSG are a better prospect right now and they obviously value him.

How dare anyone want to leave us, yet we demand every good player from clubs in worse off positions than us. Was Ander a money grabber when he left his boyhood club for us in 2014?

We can’t be bitter. I’d love to know how long ago we offered him a deal. He should have been secured ages ago.
I've said. Fair play to him. His family and financial comes first.

But for the love of god, stop with this theatrical bullshit that he loves the club etc.
 

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100%.

Ander has literally never put a foot wrong during his time here, & he was a model professional - even when he was on the bench or out on the field he gave his all (even some would never deem him good enough). Yet he gets all this negativity?

Club and Ander didn’t agree on a way forward. Tough. No need to be upset over it. And the irony is that some who’d actually be insulting him are probably some of the same ones who’d be defending the other overpaid, underworked primadonnas in the squad.
In terms of performances? He's had some stinkers during his time here, lets not pretend.
 

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Yes, it is about money. But I can understand Ander at this stage of his career switching clubs because this is possibly the last big contract for him. It will make a big difference for his family’s financial future.
Truth bomb. Apparently the butthurt whiners on here have so much love for United that they would pass on a few million. I mean, what's a few million more or less, right?

Christ, give me anything over 10 million and I will tattoo a barca crest backpiece. Imagine caring so much about football to pass on things that set you up for the rest of your life...

I think these decisions are just much easier taken from the comfort of your armchair.
 

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Some of you people are so immature. Get it through your heads - players are not fans, they are employees. Only a fool wouldn't follow the money.
I 2nd that. Grow up.

Right, blame Ander for choosing the first offer he received.

We were late, the club has to be blamed.
 

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Some united fans are so bitter, most people would take more money if a new job offered it.

I think Herrera was an alright player but we can and should do better when replacing him.

Lastly he doesn’t have to say what he said about Ole, obviously a number of you have turned on Ole so you HAVE to reply with sarcastic sassy replies
 

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I'd much prefer him say, I needed a new challenge etc etc and it was the right time to leave. There's nothing wrong with that. Instead he's opening his mouth about us. I find it condescending, or Ole should. The words are hollow and again saying what he knows the fans want to hear. Guy should go into PR or politics.
Why didn't he take responsibility and put in consistent performances over the 5 years he was here? If he felt so strongly and was such a leader as people think, why didn't he exert that influence whilst he was here? Words are so cheap, and Ander knows how to use them.

Personally believe he's doing a number on the fans who believe his B.S. but that's just my opinion.
 

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Regarding lot of work to do: Aye aye Captain obvious.

Regarding Ole being the right man: It is not like we have much of a choice, now that we have given him a 3 yr contract.

Regarding outgoing Herrera saying all this: Hope you were asked some question about it
 

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Well I'm not really concerned that he is leaving and I don't think we will miss him that much. While I did rate him he never really seemed to play consistently in our team, always getting dropped or injured. We can cope without him.

As for the OGS bit, I'm sure he just wants to be respectful and avoid controversy. If he is telling that the players like the coaching staff and are playing for him then it's more reason to get rid off OGS quickly. Imagine how crap it would be if the players didn't like him.
 

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In terms of performances? He's had some stinkers during his time here, lets not pretend.
I think the guy was talking about effort and heart. He is definitely not the star mid solution we are looking for but there is no way that he wasn’t a plus for the team. PSG may be the nouveau riche backed by infinite oil money, but they are not stupid. The fact that they can throw money at Ander doesn’t mean they weren’t right in wanting to recruit a high energy guy who has tremendous character and leadership skills. Meanwhile we are bitterly divided over whether we want to keep Pogba - that’s rich - because honestly I don’t think it’s up to us as he clearly is the one who wants to leave.
 

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I think the guy was talking about effort and heart. He is definitely not the star mid solution we are looking for but there is no way that he wasn’t a plus for the team. PSG may be the nouveau riche backed by infinite oil money, but they are not stupid. The fact that they can throw money at Ander doesn’t mean they weren’t right in wanting to recruit a high energy guy who has tremendous character and leadership skills. Meanwhile we are bitterly divided over whether we want to keep Pogba - that’s rich - because honestly I don’t think it’s up to us as he clearly is the one who wants to leave.
What's the metric for effort and heart? There was a time fans were starting to turn against him for his poor efforts, hiding in games, blatant cheating/ gamesmanship/trying to get opponents carded, etc. You could say some of that is part of effort and heart, depending on how you look at it, but to say he 100% never put a foot wrong is not factual in any context.
 

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So much spite, pettiness, bitterness in this thread.

Perhaps the fans don’t deserve nice things after all.
 

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What's the metric for effort and heart? There was a time fans were starting to turn against him for his poor efforts, hiding in games, blatant cheating/ gamesmanship/trying to get opponents carded, etc. You could say some of that is part of effort and heart, depending on how you look at it, but to say he 100% never put a foot wrong is not factual in any context.
Sure we can argue semantics or perspectives all day. For me, he was one of the better players this shambles of a season in terms of heart and effort in my eyes. I think him leaving is definitely a loss.

As for the original point of this thread, I hope he is right and OGS can lead us out of the wilderness. But all evidence seems to point to the contrary.
 

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Sure we can argue semantics or perspectives all day. For me, he was one of the better players this shambles of a season in terms of heart and effort in my eyes. I think him leaving is definitely a loss.

As for the original point of this thread, I hope he is right and OGS can lead us out of the wilderness. But all evidence seems to point to the contrary.
I agree with this, but I think he can be easily replaced.
 

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Ole is not the right man for the job he was the right man for the interim circumstance.

Now Woodward has shot himself in the foot, Ole hasn't done anything in his managerial career to warrant this job. All the fans who were singing give him the permanent look like delusional emotive fools.

We should have assessed the season objectively, Ole as an interim was the best decisions the glazers have made in recent years, appointing him was one of the worst decisions in recent years. We are finished
Because Pep and Zidane were world class managers when they took over RM and Barcelona. Barca hired Tito after Pep. Another brain-fart, I assume?
 

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Because Pep and Zidane were world class managers when they took over RM and Barcelona. Barca hired Tito after Pep. Another brain-fart, I assume?
Both of those managers had easier transitions in management at better run clubs stacked with great players in leagues they dominated. They would've been found out pretty quickly if they weren't up to the task. Real and Barca could afford to take those risks, United cannot given our current situation and how far behind our rivals we are. Pep and Zidane didn't exactly have three other great managers in La Liga to contend with upon their appointments like Ole does (not even including Sarri and the Emery who also have more pedigree). This United rebuild is a much more difficult undertaking for any manager and should be overseen by a manager with more credentials.
 
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We pretty much tried "the best" managers out there, with LVG and Mourinho. We can't get Pep or Klopp. As far as I can see, we don't have any better options than Ole at the moment, so I don't see why I shouldn't get behind him. Give him the summer to bring in some players he fancy.
 
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:eek: Didn't expect that from you of all people.
I know, I'm just very annoyed with the circumstances of how he left tbh. Him coming out and saying this after Sunday's result feels like he's just rubbing salt in the wounds.
 

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I have been following this forum since 2010, I hardly post but used to read through all posts. And honestly I have never seen this forum turn so much caustic. Fans are turning on managers without even giving them a proper chance. No regard for club legends. We used to mock talking reds forums for it's stupidity, what the heck is happening here??
 

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Then he came back into the side and was poor vs Wolves and Watford
Tbf, at that point I think the entire team performance had already unraveled.
In terms of performances? He's had some stinkers during his time here, lets not pretend.
Not pretending 1 bit Lou. Actually the opposite. I meant professionalism in the way he conducted himself and the way he behaved - both on and off the pitch. Even when he wasn’t starting matches & the “stinkers” you’re referring to - he was still one of those guys who gave his all. That’s what I meant.
 

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We pretty much tried "the best" managers out there, with LVG and Mourinho. We can't get Pep or Klopp. As far as I can see, we don't have any better options than Ole at the moment, so I don't see why I shouldn't get behind him. Give him the summer to bring in some players he fancy.
This. People need to understand now that we are not the power we once used to be. We only have history on our side if that matters. Every manager knows now how screwed up our system is.
  1. We dont have a DOF, maybe thats ok for some, but we have a CEO who knows absolutely nothing about football.
  2. Transfer ins are not decided by the manager reportedly.
  3. Our owners seems to care more about their pockets than the club.
  4. We need a huge rebuild, which might or might not be supported by the owners.
  5. Our best players are supposedly leaving the club.
No manager in his right mind would want to come to us tbh. Poch? Are things really that worse at Spurs? Owners might not support him in his ambitions but the quality there currently is much better than our squad. Pep and Klopp have "officially" ruled themselves out by taking over jobs at City and Lpool.

Even when we apply for jobs, we do our research on the companies we apply to and then make a decision if its worth joining.

Just be thankful that there is someone like Ole that still loves the club AND despite knowing how shite the board and management are, he still comes and give it a go. This is our 4th manager, 2 of them which are totally more than capable managers in their own right, in 7 seasons, the fault clearly doesn't lie with the manager. If things doesn't change at the top soon, i could see us slipping away from the top 6.
 

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Tbf, at that point I think the entire team performance had already unraveled.

Not pretending 1 bit Lou. Actually the opposite. I meant professionalism in the way he conducted himself and the way he behaved - both on and off the pitch. Even when he wasn’t starting matches & the “stinkers” you’re referring to - he was still one of those guys who gave his all. That’s what I meant.
Fair enough Ish, but do you remember the periods in his first and second season when his overall application/effort was questioned? He's always been professional, but I do remember these questions being raised before.
 

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This. People need to understand now that we are not the power we once used to be. We only have history on our side if that matters. Every manager knows now how screwed up our system is.
  1. We dont have a DOF, maybe thats ok for some, but we have a CEO who knows absolutely nothing about football.
  2. Transfer ins are not decided by the manager reportedly.
  3. Our owners seems to care more about their pockets than the club.
  4. We need a huge rebuild, which might or might not be supported by the owners.
  5. Our best players are supposedly leaving the club.
No manager in his right mind would want to come to us tbh. Poch? Are things really that worse at Spurs? Owners might not support him in his ambitions but the quality there currently is much better than our squad. Pep and Klopp have "officially" ruled themselves out by taking over jobs at City and Lpool.

Even when we apply for jobs, we do our research on the companies we apply to and then make a decision if its worth joining.

Just be thankful that there is someone like Ole that still loves the club AND despite knowing how shite the board and management are, he still comes and give it a go. This is our 4th manager, 2 of them which are totally more than capable managers in their own right, in 7 seasons, the fault clearly doesn't lie with the manager. If things doesn't change at the top soon, i could see us slipping away from the top 6.
Sorry, I'm not an Ole apologist or fans or anything, but he's a fecking molde manager and we're Manchester fecking United. We should be thankful that there's an unproven manager being given the most prestigious job on earth, something he didn't even merit apart from being "An ex United"
 

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I've said. Fair play to him. His family and financial comes first.

But for the love of god, stop with this theatrical bullshit that he loves the club etc.
Gone are the days of players loving the club. It’s just he played like he did. Best to not listen to the nonsense players come out with about loving the club etc. Scholes & Keane haggled and held the club hostage for more money let’s not forget. Rio & Rooney were privately speaking to City. Beckham left us as his celebrity became bigger.
These guys just doing a job, very very rarely do you get the loyalist kind of player. It’d be crazy to expect it from a Spaniard who’s played for us during our most dire run as a club in recent history.
 

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Sure we can argue semantics or perspectives all day. For me, he was one of the better players this shambles of a season in terms of heart and effort in my eyes. I think him leaving is definitely a loss.

As for the original point of this thread, I hope he is right and OGS can lead us out of the wilderness. But all evidence seems to point to the contrary.
Ferguson was in the same spot!
OGS has been struggeling with players from 3 previous managers. They have not been fit for playing high pace fotball and have been out with injury one after another.
Wouldent it be fair to let him choose his own team and at least have a summer to get the players fit for his system?
Or sack him and get another manager in August and demand at least 3 place by christmas with no signings.
Remember that OGS have not been able to sign one player and haven't had a breake to get the players fit.
 

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So loving the club now means you have to play for it for ever even if you are not getting paid to the degree you deserve?

You can't love a club and choose to move because they aren't willing to pay you what you want and deserve in comparison to other players who are getting paid loads despite doing feck all?

Interesting.

How many of here won't jump to PSG shop if they were players for United and we're offered more money and let's not forget a better chance to actually win something meaningful at the end of their career?
 

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Herrera has to be thanked for his endeavours, however the truth is he was never good enough to be more than a squad player, for him to tell us to 'stick with Ole' well is'nt that a bit hypocritical?
He has jumped ship for more money and I don't blame him for that, but if he really thought things would improve under OGS then why not stay?
 

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Would anyone stay in their job if their bosses messed them around, then they were headhunted and offered a massive pay rise?

Why are people being salty? He didn't deliberately run his contract down and his comments are not at all outrageous.
 

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Wow,salty responses from fans here.
100%.

Ander has literally never put a foot wrong during his time here, & he was a model professional - even when he was on the bench or out on the field he gave his all (even some would never deem him good enough). Yet he gets all this negativity?

Club and Ander didn’t agree on a way forward. Tough. No need to be upset over it. And the irony is that some who’d actually be insulting him are probably some of the same ones who’d be defending the other overpaid, underworked primadonnas in the squad.
Absolutely spot on.
 

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Herrera has to be thanked for his endeavours, however the truth is he was never good enough to be more than a squad player, for him to tell us to 'stick with Ole' well is'nt that a bit hypocritical?
He has jumped ship for more money and I don't blame him for that, but if he really thought things would improve under OGS then why not stay?
Two things. Cash and silverware. Herrera allegedly got more wages in PSG. I don't doubt that.
PSG, Bayern, Barca and Juve are guaranteed, silverware collectors.
 

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Herrera has to be thanked for his endeavours, however the truth is he was never good enough to be more than a squad player, for him to tell us to 'stick with Ole' well is'nt that a bit hypocritical?
He has jumped ship for more money and I don't blame him for that, but if he really thought things would improve under OGS then why not stay?
This, especially after the club offered to nearly double his ages. Ole wanted him to stay. All his words of devotion and love for the club were merely lip service. No other club in their right collective minds would offer him those ridiculous wages so I guess I can't blame him for jumping ship either.
 

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Would anyone stay in their job if their bosses messed them around, then they were headhunted and offered a massive pay rise?

Why are people being salty? He didn't deliberately run his contract down and his comments are not at all outrageous.
I'm not blaming him for taking the sweet ways, I'd do that.

I just don't like him bragging about how he love the club, how he's painted as the saint Ander, while the truth is he's never really consistent playing with us. And he did deliberately run down his contract
 

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Get your act together fellow posters, most of you sound like horrible bellends - Ander's input is fair and he is probably right.
 

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The bitterness in this thread is ridiculous.