[BrilliantOrange]

It sounds good but there is doubt about absolutely fecking everything in life so it doesn’t really go down as a “words to live by”

Haha ofcourse, if you take it literally.. Intelligent people always doubt their decisions, its a sign that you question and think about stuff..

But in this context he meant it more as that he felt in his gut by judgement of character and behavior that Leighton wasnt going to do it for him.. So I interpreted it as "when you have a doubt or feeling in your guy, trust it"..

 

[MadDogg]

Disagree. This is probably the hardest of them 3. Forest aren’t that great just having a great season and they didn’t trouble us at all. City are very poor this season and again rarely troubled us. Lyon wouldn’t have came out of the game with a draw if we had a different keeper in goal as them 2 goals they scored was avoidable. Newcastle are different beast when at home in front of there crowd.

And yet both Forest and City are above Newcastle in the table, and the Lyon match was the most important with the most pressure. He'd also only just returned to training prior to the first two.

There was no 'right' match to ease him back in after his injury.

 

[spwd]

His wife being robbed is horrible and may indeed contribute to him currently being in a bad headspace.

But from a strictly football POV, we haven't seen anything from Onana that we haven't seen in previous weeks he's been here, so I doubt it impacted his performance.

Exactly. Has his wife or someone been robbed every other game? The answer is no. He's just not very good.
And until Bayindir has been given the same kind of playing time and leeway nobody should judge him.
Some of you lot are ridiculous.

 

[spwd]

"New signing"? Bayindir has been at the club for almost two whole seasons. If he's not "settled" by now, he never will be. What's telling is that neither Ten Hag nor Amorim have trusted him enough to give him even a single league appearance before now, despite Onana's erratic form. And in many ways that's fine. He was signed as a cheap backup keeper. A body to sit on the bench because the only other option was 83 year old Tom Heaton. There's no reason to have unrealistic expectations of him based on half a decent game against Arsenal.

Yeah but Ethl also didn't play Amad either did he so that means nothing.
Give him as many chances and playing time as Onana then we can judge him.

I'm not saying we don't need a new number 1 but at least give Bayindir time to see if he's good enough for 1st or 2nd or out the door.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

I think the judgements on Bayindir are a little harsh. He was really poor against Spurs but playing about 3 games in 2 years is very difficult for any player, let alone a keeper where it's hyper important to be sharp.

I often think the reason Romero was our best ever backup keeper was because he played pretty consistently.

At this point it would take a disaster for me to not want to see him finish the season as number 1. Hopefully he grabs the opportunity and saves us a job in the summer, who knows.

 

[JPRouve]

The reason you need to put vaseline or similar conditioners on gloves, especially new gloves, is that it soften them which makes them grippier. If you don't have vaseline you can spit on them but it doesn't last.

 

[crackers0seven]

Vaseline is very common on gloves for keepers. Helps the ball stick. Small adjustment of the wrists for the lyon 2nd goal and ball should have stuck. He never has soft hands when we need it. Soft to no hands for the first goal and hands of steel for the second goal. He's too much of a roller coaster. Move him on,can't build a solid Base with someone so unreliable behind them.

 

[Kostov]

Henderson is bang average, anyway.

Onana is by no means the answer, but de Gea, who went an entire season without a club, and Henderson neither were.

How about De Gea who is doing great at Fiorentina for a season and a half? Was he the answer?

 

[OverratedOpinion]

How about De Gea who is doing great at Fiorentina for a season and a half? Was he the answer?

His performances had dipped massively, he was on obscene money and it was logical to want a keeper who was better with their feet.

As we often have, we chose horribly. On reflection keeping De Gea would have been a better choice than signing Onana obviously.

That isn't the ideal though. The ideal would have been signing a better keeper.

 

[ForeverRed1]

Is he injured or dropped ?

 

[V.O.]

Is he injured or dropped ?

Officially "rested", I think. We'll probably know more based on who gets picked in the Lyon second leg.

 

[fps]

Kid gloves? He's been dropped for being shit. Probably for being shit and cocky. His transfer price and experience mean nothing given that.

I hope that's why.

 

[hobbers]

Is he injured or dropped ?

Emotionally injured. Badly bruised ego.

 

[LARulz]

He won't leave by choice, he is too proud for that and wouldn't accept that. He can look at other players who went through it but came back strong even in this squad such as Maguire

I don't think he is good enough but I'd be floored if he just packed his bags and left. The only reason I think he would even consider it is cos of what happened to his wife which then isn't football related

 

[Cassidy]

He won't leave by choice, he is too proud for that and wouldn't accept that. He can look at other players who went through it but came back strong even in this squad such as Maguire

I don't think he is good enough but I'd be floored if he just packed his bags and left. The only reason I think he would even consider it is cos of what happened to his wife which then isn't football related

He’ll leave because he’ll be told point blank the manager wants to move on

 

[fps]

He won't leave by choice, he is too proud for that and wouldn't accept that. He can look at other players who went through it but came back strong even in this squad such as Maguire

I don't think he is good enough but I'd be floored if he just packed his bags and left. The only reason I think he would even consider it is cos of what happened to his wife which then isn't football related

He won't leave, like so many of our players, because he's been given a contract to die for that he could never get elsewhere.

 

[fps]

Is he injured or dropped ?

He dropped the ball, yes.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

He won't leave, like so many of our players, because he's been given a contract to die for that he could never get elsewhere.

He is only on 120k per week, which is not crazy money for a player at a big club in this day and age.

 

[Resonance]

Is there a redemption arc for Onana or is it curtains?

 

[JediSith]

Is there a redemption arc for Onana or is it curtains?

His genuinely a bad keeper. Maybe at a City or Liverpool he’d survive a bit longer but then he’d likely cost them in CL SF or Finals.

Even his “great saves” look at them, there is an awkwardness to them that comes from him being a poor shotstopper and lacking technique. It’s akin to the guy that just toe punts shots and scores in 5a side

 

[NotoriousISSY]

He's only been back for three games. Those three games being Forest, City and Lyon. This Newcastle game is arguably the easiest and least consequential of them.

The Newcastle game is absolutely not arguably the easiest of those games.

 

[Pintu]

He is only on 120k per week, which is not crazy money for a player at a big club in this day and age.

It’s more than double what Inter deemed he was worth. (And they got him as a free agent)


How many clubs out there go around giving these kind of wages to random goalkeepers ?

 

[RedRocket9908]

The terrible goals we conceeded today proved that is not all Onana's fault that we conceed so many terrible goals, our defending is absoutely attrocious

 

[Kostov]

The terrible goals we conceeded today proved that is not all Onana's fault that we conceed so many terrible goals, our defending is absoutely attrocious

No not all is his fault, just his 30 total feck ups in 2 seasons. Bayindir tries to catch up by all acounts.

 

[Kostov]

It’s more than double what Inter deemed he was worth. (And they got him as a free agent)


How many clubs out there go around giving these kind of wages to random goalkeepers ?

“Only 120k a week”

I bet he was worried how much we were paying our previous GK though.

 

[AmaraDanandra]

Again, I don't blame Amorim for the terrible squad he inherited. Ten Hags transfer market misery is going to be felt for the next few seasons as none of his failed signings are going to be marketable or have other clubs interested.

Amorim however is to blame if he continues playing Onana who is continuing to cost us points in the league and opportunities in Europe.
My post was meant to identify the inconsistencies with how swiftly Amorim acted to drop the leading goalscorer in our side when he wasn't pleased with his performances. Meanwhile Onana has been stinking the place-up but has been undroppable for whatever reason. Any perceptions of a drop in quality between our #1 and #2 (or #3 or #4 or #5) goalkeepers is irrelevant if he can't perform to the most basic level to be expected of a u-18 player.

We were happy to see Rashford go out on loan, even if the alternative is Hojlund and Chido Obi for now and strengthening in the summer. I'm just hopeful that Amorim is consistent and can look at this as an opportunity to act on what has been staring us in the face for two seasons now.

No one is going to be interested in buying him this summer. A loan (where we're covering his wages) or dropping him to a back-up keeper role are really the only alternatives. I don't think anyone would be upset to see him as a backup keeper playing the occasional cup game against Crawley Town or Sturm Graz. There's just no place for him as a first choice keeper in even a relegation level team in this league.

Honestly don't think replacing Onana with Bayindir/Heaton will improve the situation

I watched Bayindir in Euro and all the games he played in the Cup, i can say that his only solid performance was against Arsenal

He was fragile and poor with his feet, look at his error against Newcastle, 1st start in PL, 4 goals conceded and an error leading to goal

Heaton is 38 and hasn't been playing for 2 years which an obvious representation of his level today

It's not because Amorim knows nothing about it but it looks closer to Amorim has no better alternative now

United will obviously go for a goalkeeper this summer

 

[sebsheep]

Honestly don't think replacing Onana with Bayindir/Heaton will improve the situation

I watched Bayindir in Euro and all the games he played in the Cup, i can say that his only solid performance was against Arsenal

He was fragile and poor with his feet, look at his error against Newcastle, 1st start in PL, 4 goals conceded and an error leading to goal

Heaton is 38 and hasn't been playing for 2 years which an obvious representation of his level today

It's not because Amorim knows nothing about it but it looks closer to Amorim has no better alternative now

United will obviously go for a goalkeeper this summer

In all fairness, his error was for the fourth goal which wouldn't have changed the result. He couldn't have done much about the other 3, so 4 goals conceded feels like a harsh criticism.

 

[Jund]

I kind of expected this, even if Bayındır made 0 mistakes the "Well, Onana is better than the rest, so let's go with him." narrative to start spinning.

For myself, I couldn't care less, even if we throw Mount in goal. I just don't want to see Onana there. If it's Bayındır, Mount, heck - Hojlund, at least it will be somewhat of unknown outcome. With Onana - we all know what's going to happen.

I've genuinely never expected him to be this bad, but it is what it is. We either reward him again for his costly mistakes, sending the wrong message to everyone at the club, or we bench him for the rest of the season.

 

[NotChatGPT]

He was shiit in that CL group games but he didn’t cost us the qualification. We were absolutely abysmal and prime VDS wouldn’t have won those games for us. Clown Onana actually saved the penalty that gave us our only win in a group with Copenhagen and Galatasaray… There is no excuse for how ETH fecked that up, not even his beloved keeper making all those mistakes.

But still he gotta go. His career is quite weird After that marvellous Ajax season in 2019 big clubs didn’t go after him.. he gets a suspension and when he is a free agent Inter Milan takes him. His serie A stats were really quite average, way below his Eredivise’s. Offering that kind of money based on ETH’s preferences was weird.

Bit of a re-write that. Sure, he saved the penalty against Copenhagen, but lets not completely ignore all the mistakes he made for the goals that we actually let in and the setbacks it caused. We didn't need the goalkeeper to win the matches for us, we just didn't need the goalkeeper to essentially throw the ball into his own fecking net.,

 

[Tincanalley]

I have a suspicion that the nonsense with Matic will have pissed off the manager, and even the higher ups. I feel a bit sorry for Onana, to be sure. Big challenge, I think, for Amorim to try and get his head right. OnI tana has this instinct for trying to get out ahead of a story, he was very quick in the ETH era to come out and talk about his mistakes. Everyone gets nervous, and its all about handling it. You could see that clearly in the Golf last night. Nerves of steel required

 

[NinjaZombie]

It’s more than double what Inter deemed he was worth. (And they got him as a free agent)


How many clubs out there go around giving these kind of wages to random goalkeepers ?

Seriously. Why do we keep giving new signings these big wages, when they haven't done anything of note for the club? Performance based wages should be where it's at.

If players don't want to come because we refuse to double their current salaries, we should be glad, because they've shown why they're not the kind of players we should be signing.

Identify up-and-coming players, pay them reasonable wages, add in performance bonuses and go from there.

 

[Raoul]

Is there a redemption arc for Onana or is it curtains?

He's been like this since he arrived nearly 2 years ago, so he has to go.

 

[The_Midfielder]

He has to go...
The Newcastle 2nd goalkeeper we had loaned is a better fit than this guy..
Is he better than Karius ?

 

[NotChatGPT]

I have a suspicion that the nonsense with Matic will have pissed off the manager, and even the higher ups. I feel a bit sorry for Onana, to be sure. Big challenge, I think, for Amorim to try and get his head right. OnI tana has this instinct for trying to get out ahead of a story, he was very quick in the ETH era to come out and talk about his mistakes. Everyone gets nervous, and its all about handling it. You could see that clearly in the Golf last night. Nerves of steel required

I doubt the nonsense with Matic in itself bothers anyone.

Giving away two goals after responding to the comments is a different matter.

There's always going to be mistakes, Ederson has made plenty, Alisson has made plenty, but they still have the confidence to play to their strengths and ignore the past. Schmeichel would make a mistake and blame everyone else for it. You just get on with it, shit happens.

 

[klayton88]

If he's here next season I genuinely won't watch us.

 

[Cassidy]

The terrible goals we conceeded today proved that is not all Onana's fault that we conceed so many terrible goals, our defending is absoutely attrocious

His individual errors are all his fault

 

[Just Hope]

At this point I'm expecting him to be a comedic actor doing a bit.

 

[kanobbk]

It's quite clear that his back and forth with Matic last week, followed by his categorically horrendous performance on the pitch straight after said back and forth, has NOT gone down well with Amorim and/or the football front office.

I commented on this thread after his comments last week, stating that the press office that have allowed him to do this (if they had a say) need to be reprimanded, because this is not what should be happening at one of the biggest clubs in world football, especially when we are currently in the middle-end of our worst Premier League era in the clubs history. This shouldn't have happened and the club should've had way more input and prevented him making retaliation comments throughout the build up to the fixture. Especially when they know as well as we all do, that Onana is a complete calamity of a goalkeeper and added pressure on the team and him will do us no favours, let alone the added boost of spirit it would've given the OL squad. It's like something you'd see over the Atlantic with their sports dramas and soap opera-esque way of doing things. (Ps, I follow US sports and I an avid NFL and NBA fan, I don't mind it over there, but it doesn't belong in football)

I'm incredibly glad that this muppet was left at home yesterday evening and to be perfectly honest, I hope he stays there until the end of the season and we never see him don the shirt again. Amorim has done a good job so far in removing the poison from the dressing room (Rashford), so there is not a single reason that Onana should not receive the same sort of treatment.

Onana may truly be one of the most arrogant goalkeepers, with zero talent, that I've ever seen on a football pitch. During the last international break, Cameroon had a free kick around 25-30yrds from goal and this guy is out of his box and stood next to the Cameroonian free kick taker, pointing and advising him on what to do. Have you ever seen a GOALKEEPER do that in your time watching this sport? I as a person in their 30's, have not.

I'm so incredibly furious that this useless cnut has now put us in a position where we have no choice but to look for a goalkeeper this Summer, when so many other positions on the pitch are also of concern. He's just added to the already steaming hot fire that we need to fight and I'm so angry. The damage that ETH has done to this club is quite literally irrefutable and the fact that I occasionally see his name pop up here and there regarding his tenure at the club and the 'positives' is actually baffling. I couldn't give a monkeys about the trophies he won, when the players that he left in his wake are some of the worst in World Football, to the point where they almost have no sell on value at all. FYI, the transfers we made this Summer (Ugarte, MdL etc) are not his signings, they were the front office'.

 

[BeltUp]

If he's here next season I genuinely won't watch us.

Hopefully Big Jim sees this and begins the sale process.

 

[Cassidy]

Hoping for that summer Saudi bid