It was a brilliant shot, very few keepers would have saved that
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
It was a brilliant shot, very few keepers would have saved that
I'm not sure how we can say that when Onana nearly saved it and he's a poor shot stopper. It stands to reason a better shot stopper is probably saving it, and there's no shortage of better shot stoppers than Onana.
I've seen it again and it was a bit further out than I thought and not quite as high, elite keepers might save it but we all know he's not even close to elite, I don't think most keeper would have gotten it
He will mess up on the finals wont he ?
Like the German keeper did for liverpool
Like the German keeper did for liverpool
Come on now he played pretty well. Let’s support him and the team that just won 7-1 over two legs. Why is this place so negative/ half glass empty? Maybe, just maybe, it’s our year for this competition.
De Gea would save that very comfortably. And his replacement at Inter would too. This was a bad investment no two ways about it.
Not negative.
Just unpredictable team and goalkeeper
He's bang on average. Would be a decent backup. Can't blame the player cause we had idiots who forked out £44M and £120K/wk. for him. Most EPL GKs save that and the ones that don't are on the bench or starters teams are looking to replace.
I caught a bit of the Fiorentina-Betis game after that and De Gea did a great reflex save from a close range attempt in extra time.
It's all down to the footwork imo, Onana just either guessed or get caught flat footed in those situations, he doesnt have the spring in his steps to shift direction quickly.
To be an elite club, you need to have many players who can consistently do things very few pro players can do.
If you look at most of the goals he conceded, it's his first reaction that's slower than top GKs. His reading, posture, stretches are ok, outside of penalties they're mostly correct but those 200-300ms delays really mattered when the ball travelled in a high speed. And there are also times when the ball travelled very fast, even if he looked at it's direction correctly, he just let it in because he's too late in reacting. So it's the same story every time. Unfortunately I don't think we can win major trophies with him as the main GK and his "ball playing" and "press resistant" ability don't make up for it. In important games GKs will always be tested no matter what, you can be peak Barca with 70% possession and your GK will still have to make saves somehow. His low level is too low no matter the high. You can have the best defense in the world but if your GK keeps letting 'easy' goals in, it will demotivate them.
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Basic stuff for every gk. Going with one hand gives you more reach. Onana's technique there was lower league stuff.
And it is not first time. He nearly always tries do do that on these kind of shots.
I'm NOT trying to suggest that De Gea should've saved Antony's free-kick here before anyone chimes in but, just to give the other side here, I watched the highlights of Fiorentina-Betis and if you watch Antony's free-kick De Gea actually dives for it using the same technique Onana did last night. (The goal is at around 0:40 in that clip?
As I say, I'm not trying to suggest De Gea should have saved Antony's free kick there (it was off the post), but more trying to labour the point that I think we're reaching the stage where any perceived mistake Onana makes is amplified to a ridiculous degree to make it out like no other top-level goalkeeper would ever make it.
Antony's done him nicely there, DDG took that little gamble the wrong way and Antony put it his side. Great strike, but as a keeper those one are alway disappointing to concede.
We really need a tall fecker in goal. Watching those Donnarumma saves and then watching this guy is such a pain.
Well taken goal but when he got his hands to it, he should be keeping it out.
Well taken goal but when he got his hands to it, he should be keeping it out.
The hatred for Onana on this platform seems very personal and so strange! On a glorious night when the team wins 4-1 and we get to a euro final, all we get is criticism of him??? How many trophies have we won since he was GK? Really terrible stuff going on here!
he's absolute crap athletically. Basically praying for him not to have any work between the posts is very worrying. Hopefully we get a decent no2/1 in the summer to compete. Cant imagine we would have budget for straight no1 qualiy like Garcia
I mean sure, it's maybe a slightly disappointing one to concede but I wouldn't lambast De Gea for it because it's a great strike.
Point is, you could say the exact same thing about the goal Jauregizar scored last night and yet it's being treated by some here like it was just a completely unacceptable mistake that no top-level keeper would ever make.
Every keeper makes mistakes. The biggest one here is probably footwork, he doesn't shift his weight quick enough. Doesn't really matter if he goes with 1 or 2 hands either.
Personally I think that shot should be a reasonably comfortable catch for a top level keeper from that distance. Can definitely remember Schmeichel catching some like that.
As most are saying - a better keeper almost certainly saves that, and that's ultimately why we need a new goalkeeper.
He didn't have a bad match yesterday, actually one of his better. But, but... that shot was great, no doubt, but also doesn't surprise me that it went in.
Would you say we won those trophies (should be singular, right?) because or despite of him?
I don't disagree that the personal nature of the vitriol is over the top, but you can clearly see where the criticism is coming from. It affects the whole backline as well
Yeah instead of taking a step away from where the ball is going like he does.
Yeah should’ve saved the goal. Terrible reaction and fundamentals. That one kick that barely cleared the 18 yard box cracked me up though.
Not hatred but his moves are not conventional for keepers. He parries incorrectly, dives weirdly and improperly reduces his reach. I don’t believe he got proper coaching when young and developing; got by on straight reflexive shot stopping and using his feet. The top keepers will never dive with two hands for that ball. Not saying most will have saved it but they will have given themselves a chance.
People bringing De Gea into the argument when he conceded a very similar goal the very same night after taking a step the wrong way and using the same technique
Yeah well in Erik.yep.
His kicking is so off.
A lot of those are harsh. Some of them aren’t even mistakes. But Jesus Christ, the second one!
I think I blotted that from my memory. What the actual feck?!That's just how things work in this thread.
Nailed it - he would be a good back up. He’s about Sergio Romero’s level (I actually rate Romero higher - but think it’s a good comparison).
Aside from his mistakes, his fundamentals are just nowhere near good enough to be a no 1.
He's not even average when he's at his best. I've seen Sunday league goalkeepers with better fundamental goalkeeping skills. The Bilbao goal was from very long range but was not by any means a rocket. 2 quick side steps and then a leap and he can flick that behind for a corner with one hand. Instead he takes one slow step and then dives too early with both hands. He's beginning to fall from the highpoint of his leap as the ball reaches him so he has to stretch his arms for a second time and has no arm-strength left to properly parry the ball.
He plays like an actor playing the role of a goalkeeper...fundamental skills are just not there or are not being utilised for some OTHER reason.
For me it's not enough to replace him in the squad with a better option. We need to get him out of the club completely as I'm suspicious of his play and the whole "deal" we did in buying him.
He plays like an actor playing the role of a goalkeeper...fundamental skills are just not there or are not being utilised for some OTHER reason.
For me it's not enough to replace him in the squad with a better option. We need to get him out of the club completely as I'm suspicious of his play and the whole "deal" we did in buying him.
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De Gea saves that opening goal last night. Even when he’s not making massive errors he just isn’t a good shot stopper. Priority is binning him.
He probably could have done better with that goal last night, although I don't think he was necessarily at fault for the goal.
Maguire's mistake and it just being a good hit are the two bigger factors.
Maguire's mistake and it just being a good hit are the two bigger factors.
I look at Sommer and think thats the kind of profile we should be looking at. Is he elite? Maybe not, but he just seems super reliable, good with the ball and just covers all basics.
VDS was a world class goalkeeper but he was kind of boring too and did his job with no antics. He was also bought for a bargain price. I’d like to see something like that again.
That is a fair take.A lot of those are harsh. Some of them aren’t even mistakes. But Jesus Christ, the second one!
You look at some of the saves Donnarumma made against Arsenal (2nd leg) specially the Odegaard and Saka saves, then we have Sommer saves against Lamal, where strong technique to tip it away was required specially one handed as it gives the keeper more reach, hell DDG used to do that all the time, stretching and getting on the end of shots he had no right to.
Whereas you see him struggling to move about and any shot on the corner or hit hard either he is unable to tip it away or will just parry it in the middle of goal. Its obvious that despite all the issues we are having in defence and attack, he is also a big part of the problem and with him there, we can not be strong defensively, because you can not account for keeper not being able to do bare minimum or game without keeper having to do anything. He is the kind of play who is prone to doing something stupid in the final. I hope we have enough funds to upgrade this idiot with that Espanyol keeper which is available for 20 odd million only due to release clause.
Whereas you see him struggling to move about and any shot on the corner or hit hard either he is unable to tip it away or will just parry it in the middle of goal. Its obvious that despite all the issues we are having in defence and attack, he is also a big part of the problem and with him there, we can not be strong defensively, because you can not account for keeper not being able to do bare minimum or game without keeper having to do anything. He is the kind of play who is prone to doing something stupid in the final. I hope we have enough funds to upgrade this idiot with that Espanyol keeper which is available for 20 odd million only due to release clause.
Kind of reminds me of Ben Foster or Kuszak with their big frame and heavy feet. SAF got rid of or bench them once they showed that they’re not good enough.
No need giving them years of having chances to prove that they’re good enough.
It feels like SAF was really ruthless with his Gk as much as his strikers.
No need giving them years of having chances to prove that they’re good enough.
It feels like SAF was really ruthless with his Gk as much as his strikers.
I just saw the replay of Bilbao's goal again, I initially felt it was a great goal and that was that, but what weird technique was Onana using?
He's far too erratic and eccentric and he fecking worries me with the final coming up.
He's far too erratic and eccentric and he fecking worries me with the final coming up.
Not in the matchday squad today. Injured?