That man did so much damage
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 50
- Clean sheets
- 11
- Goals
- 0
- Assists
- 0
- Yellow cards
- 1
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
1st attack 17 seconds in
1st attack 17 seconds in
I'm not sure I've ever seen a GK with worse rebound control than Onana.
He is utterly dreadful, yet thinks he’s world class.
Only Taibi has been worse in the post Schmichel era. Once again parrying it straight into the middle of the box
It's impossible to name another professional keeper that consistently parries everything back into danger because professional keepers don't do that.
Next season is fecked from the start if he's not sold or loaned out.
Next season is fecked from the start if he's not sold or loaned out.
Yes, I just saw the highlights, but not here. The poor dive, poor attempt to do anything with the ball, just gently pushes it towards the penalty spot where any decent striker is supposed to be. It was goal keeping of the absolute lowest standard.
I would argue that you couldn't name Onana for that either - as by no standard metric is he a "professional" goalkeeper.
He’s a highlights machine for all the wrong reasons
this video greatly shows onana's main shortcomings (I know some of them are harsh):
1. rooted to the goal line, refusing to claim easy crosses
2. slow reaction & susceptibility to deflections
3. love parrying the ball to the danger zone
4. inability to save shots that he could save with his feet
he conceded 4 "Di Maria vs QPR slow free kick slipping into far post" goals in 2 seasons which is hilarious. I can't recall that van der sar or de gea conceded even one goal like that in their like 17 or 18 seasons in total
excluding those harsh "strong shots to nearpost/wicked deflections" which I think shall not count as his mistakes, he has:
8 mistakes leading to goal in premier league 23/24
4 mistakes leading to goal in champions leauge 23/24 (costing us 1 point vs Bayern; 3 points vs Galatasaray S.K.; 1 point vs Copenhagan)
Without his mistakes, the champions league group stage table shall look like this:
Bayern - 15 points
United - 9 points
Copenhagen - 8 points
Galatasaray - 2 points
10 mistakes leading to goal in premier league 24/25
5 mistakes leading to goal in Europa league 24/25
it is 27 mistakes leading to goal in 2 seasons.
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Some of them are harsh? It has him at fault for 21 goals in the league last season.
That’s the worst part - he looked happy with himself after that save!!
A new number one is an absolute must for next season. Doubt we'll finish top half if Onana is still first choice. Everyone waxing lyrical of PSG's attacking play (which is fantastic to be fair), yet it is Donnarumma who gives them such a solid base in that team. A world class keeper is vital.
His own self belief is staggering, given how absolutely dreadful he is.
some of those are harsh to call a mistake, however the video does show his bad habits. One problem he has is he seems a bit flat footed, hence why he way he moves or dives can look a bit cumbersome
Think he's been very lucky that the strikers have been so bad frankly. He really should be replaced this year but getting reinforcements in attack is clearly a huge priority even if Rashford, Sancho, Garnacho and Højlund arent moved on/cashed in on.
He'll have a great game every now and again but his shot stopping, concentration and handling has easily cost us at least 15 points this year alone. Genuinely believe he unnerves the defence so much that causes even more errors from them too
He'll have a great game every now and again but his shot stopping, concentration and handling has easily cost us at least 15 points this year alone. Genuinely believe he unnerves the defence so much that causes even more errors from them too
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To be fair Taibi only played a handful of matches. He was terrible for sure but in terms of damage caused to the team Onana is a different level.
That really is astonishing. I've never heard of a worse record than that. If I hadn't watched it happen myself, I'd call it wild hyperbole; but it really did happen right before our eyes. He leaves us so uncomfortable and unsure in the back. It's telling that after coming away from Bilbao with a three-goal lead, we were still nervous about the home fixture, and were right to be. It's patently impossible to accept his continued presence at the club, but since we're critically deficient in multiple other positions, odds are that we won't replace him this summer. It's difficult to have any hope.
Easily the worst goalkeeper in our history. Taibi has always been the joke, but Onana has far more pathetic howlers which warrants him the crown.
If we allow Onana to start the season as our no.1, we deserve to be relegated. No other club would allow him to continue playing. It's like starting every game with an untrained outfield player in goal.
Absolute clown that needs kicking out the club.
Incredibly over the top
30 or so mistakes in 2 seasons does seem over the top.
I think we need a new goal keeper as well, but the video is a bit over the top. I counted 12 really bad mistakes and 6-7, where he might have done better. The rest was not his fault. Onanas main problems are pretty clear for everyone to see.
1: He cannot deal with crosses.
2: He seems to instinctly palm his saves directly into the danger zone in front of him. This is by far the worst of his weaknesses.
3: Extremely slow distribution. He is pretty good with his feet, but any advantage is gone when he keeps the ball for half a season before passing it.
4: Communication. He does not communicate enough. The strange Dorgu/Onana brainfart comes to mind. Easy to deal with, if Onana just shouts.
Martinez would be great. So would Leicesters Hermansen.
1: He cannot deal with crosses.
2: He seems to instinctly palm his saves directly into the danger zone in front of him. This is by far the worst of his weaknesses.
3: Extremely slow distribution. He is pretty good with his feet, but any advantage is gone when he keeps the ball for half a season before passing it.
4: Communication. He does not communicate enough. The strange Dorgu/Onana brainfart comes to mind. Easy to deal with, if Onana just shouts.
Martinez would be great. So would Leicesters Hermansen.
He's terribly flat footed though.
It’s really not.
Fergie didn’t tolerate Taibi and even though he was man of the match in his first game (if I remember) he binned him as soon as we all saw how bad he was and how he couldn’t cope.
The fact we’ve persisted with Onana to allow him to make so many mistakes is beyond belief. Any other club (or indeed us in the last) would not have kept him beyond his first season. His CL performances were beyond awful.
You see more professional performances from match fixers.
Not only is he our worst keeper in at least 50 years (before that I can’t say) - he’s the 4th most expensive keeper of all time. If he had been a £10m signing we would call him a complete disaster - that he cost nearly £50m means the calamity is almost beyond words.
Yes. He is that bad, and I can see no reason why anyone would defend him.
It's a joke we are considering going in to another season with him. It really speaks to the ambition of the club, there is no world were Ruben wants him as his number one. No other bid team in the league would give him the opportunity, we know he'll be flapping and costing us again. So predictable, Ineos and there best in class. It's make do again, we were promised a clear out. Let's see how many again we can actually shift. This position is so key for the confidence of the team.
He should be the first player out the door. He's that bad.
It's not at all, name one goalkeeper who's made as many mistakes over a 2 year period
No keeper at a top club would have survived his first season here. Where his performances ended our Champions League run in the group stage. Or when we were comfortable at 2-0 in an FA Cup final and he decides to chuck one in. Last season he was even worse. We've had 2 years with him. He's clearly not good enough. What are they thinking to even consider having him as our number one?
Literally watching a clown at work. People call his gaffs an "error". He isn't making mistakes. He is just really that terrible. He showed some of these at Ajax too and probably explains why Barca binned him.
Onana really is that bad. As most have said on here, if Manchester United persists with him in goal, there's a strong likelihood of a relegation fight. Especially with a manager who isn’t up to required standards.
Onana really is that bad. As most have said on here, if Manchester United persists with him in goal, there's a strong likelihood of a relegation fight. Especially with a manager who isn’t up to required standards.
this is how I count his "mistakes leading to goal" (as shown chronologically in the video):
EPL 23/24
1) vs Forest - not really his mistake; a 1v1
2) vs Forest - not really his mistake; a header to bottom corner
3) vs Arsenal - yes, it was a deflected, but it was right at him and a competent goalkeeper should have palmed it away from goal (#1 - 1 point costed)
4) vs Brentford - definitely his mistake - a weak shot to the centre of the goal (#2 - no points conceded)
5) vs City - not his mistake, difficult to control direction of strong shot
6) vs Newcastle - not his mistake, great cross; many goalkeepers can't claim it
7) vs West Ham - not his mistake; difficult to control direction of a close range shot
8) vs Aston Villa - definitely a mistake to let an untouched cross slip into far corner (#3 - no points conceded)
9) vs Tottenham - not his mistake; strong shot
10) vs Wolves - not his mistake; shot to bottom corner
11) vs Luton - not his mistake; a deflected shot/cross
12) vs Fulham - not his mistake; a powerful shot to roof of the net
13) vs Fulham - not either; shot to bottom corner
14) vs Chelsea - yes; a shot right at him (#4 - 3 points costed)
15) vs Liverpool - no; a close range shot
16) vs Bournemouth - yes; not a strong shot to near post; competent goalkeeper should have saved that (#5 - 2 points costed)
17) vs Sheffield - definitely; he assisted opponent (#6 - no points costed)
18) vs Burnley - definitely; he conceded penalty himself (#7 - 2 points costed)
19) vs Crystal Palace - nope; a powerful shot
20) vs Crystal Palace - nope; a powerful shot
21) vs Newcastle - great shot, so nope
Total: 7 mistakes lead to goal; 8 points costed
FA Cup 23/24
1-3) vs Liverpool -none are mistakes
4) vs Man City - yes; the shot was weak and very savable
Total:1 mistake leading to goal; nothing costed
Champions League 23/24
1) vs Bayern - definitely, no explanation need (#1 - costed us 1 pt)
2) (no goal conceded - but gifted a red card; technically costed us 1/3 pts)
3) vs Copenhagan - definitely; letting cross slip into far post (#2 - costed us 1 point)
4) vs Galatasaray - definitely; very savable fk (#3)
5) vs Galatasaray - definitely(#4 - 2 points costed)
Total: 4 mistakes leading to goal; 4-7 points costed (+ 5-8 points earned by opponents)
EPL 24/25
1) vs Forest - definitely; shot right at centre (#1 - costing 1 point)
2) vs Bournemouth - should have done much better, shot right at him (#2 - no points costed)
3) vs Wolves - definitely; always a mistake conceding from direct corner (#3 - 1 point costed)
4) vs Southampton - should have done much better, deflection, but still right at him (#4 - no points costed)
5) vs Brighton - yes; claimable cross (#5)
6) vs Brighton - no explanation needed (#6 - 1 point costed)
7) vs Palace - not really
8) vs Everton - contrary to judgment of many fans, it was definitely his mistake. after he saved the first shot; he had all the time to punch it away; but he made a lame backward step (#7 - 2 points costed)
9) vs Ipswich - yes, both Dorgu and him made mistakes (#8 - no points costed)
10) vs Ipswich - definitely; letting cross slip into far post (#9 - no points costed)
11) vs Bournemouth - after 2nd thought I don't count it as his mistake, it's to near post but too powerful
Total: 9 mistakes lead to goal; 5 points costed
FA Cup 24/25
1) vs Leicester - I don't count as his mistake; too chaotic in the bos
2) vs Fulham - neither; could have done better but many GK can't save it either
Europa
1) vs Twente - not really; poor positioning but it's 1v1
2) vs Porto - definitely his error. He loves acting like the shot is more difficult to save than it actually is by making unnecessary dives (#1)
3) vs Porto - not really
4) vs Fenerbarche - not really; close range header
5) vs Plzen - definitely; he assisted the opponent (#2)
6) vs Lyon - yes; letting cross slipping into far post again (#3)
7) vs Lyon - I would say, yes, the shot is right at him and a decent goalkeeper should have applied force to make the ball bounce further away from him even if he can't catch the shot (#4)
8) vs Lyon - definitely; very very poor footwork (#5)
9) vs Bilbao - I don't count it as his error, a good shot in any event
10) vs Totteham - it is definitely his mistake; it is a darn weak and slow deflection (#6 - costed us the title and UCL spot)
Total: 6 mistakes leading to goal
Conclusion :
- 12 mistakes leading to goal in 23/24; 15 mistakes leading to goal in 24/25 - totalling 27 mistakes leading to goal in 2 seasons
- costed us 13 league points; an advance from UCL groupstage ; a Europa league title and an UCL spot
- type of mistakes categorized:
1) conceding shots right at him x 8
2) letting untouched crosses slipping into far post x 5
3) conceding very savable weak or slow shots/deflections x 5
4) assisting the opponent with his pass x 2
5) conceding penalty x1
6) spilling the ball to the opponent x 1
7) failing to claim very very easy ball/crosses x 2
8) miscommunication with defender x 1
9) parrying the ball into the danger zone x 2
I want to replace Onana too but saying we deserve to get relegated if we keep him and a bunch of other shit is over the top. He was a mistake, and we've made a lot of them, and we're not going to be able to rectify all of them in one summer.
Believe it or not, there is a world where we end up with a keeper even worse than Onana, if we're not careful.
Some of you need to get a grip.
You didn't answer my question
For cross reference, applying the same standard as above, De Gea had 6 (or 7) mistakes leading to goal in 21/22 season:
1) conceding shot right at him x 2
2) assisting the opponent x 1
3) spilling weak lame shots x 1
4) on the ground pretending to be injured x 1
5) parrying the ball into the danger zone x 1
6) letting a cross go in x 0.5 (dubious)
we were right to get rid of him but we replaced him with a much worse goalkeeper
People still thinking it was wrong to move De Gea on jesus wept. For about the millionth time Onana being crap doesn't negate the fact it was the right decison to move De Gea on. The error was in signing Onana
This. And everybody was lambasting De Gea. However prime De Gea (before 2018 - which should be United standard) barely made mistakes and made some unbelievable saves.
With Onana, he just isn't top class shot stopper. His jumping is weak, his dives are short, suggesting a lack of athleticism. His reactions are often slow and his positioning doesn't make up for that. While his listed height is 1,90 he seems shorter to me, I'd be particularly interested in his wingspan vs de gea. However, his reactions and athleticism is IMHO comparable to Van Der Sar, who wasn't really the quickest nor strongest jumper/diver, however VDS was much bigger, excellent at positioning and good at deflecting/catching balls. Just VDS height would intimidate attackers. Unfortunately Onana isn't making up for his lack of athleticism with other qualities. Essentially I'd class him as an average mid-league (Eredivisie or such) goalkeeper.
We were cr*p not because of Onana alone. We just can’t score goals to save our life.
Literally the Fifa'94 goalkeeper bug in real life.
Keeping De Gea for two more seasons would provide us with better goalkeeping at no extra cost, as opposed to the 40m or so we spent on Onana. Since Ferguson retired a consistent trait of United was letting go for cheap/free players that can be still utilized and bringing in WORSE players for huge money. Essentially we've spent 40m to get worse goalkeeping than we had. If we kept De Gea, it's possible we get Champions League in 23/24. Usually, the busier De Gea was the better his performances and we were letting massive amount of shots on that season. In any way those 40m could have been spent to get a better striker than hojlund. And yeah, if we got a good goalkeeper instead of Onana, nobody would be talking about De Gea, but we didn't. Our recruitment department should have said Onana is worse than what we have, so let's look elsewhere, or let's keep it as it is.
But the worst thing is not that we had one better goalkeeper thant Onana. We had TWO. We also had Dean Henderson. We could have kept him as an interim solution until an opportunity for a world class goalkeeper appears.
Asset management has been nothing but a disaster in the last dozen years.
On Fifa/PES's term, we keep selling 80 rated players who are (rightly) not deemed good enough for us at peanuts/for free, and splash huge cash on players rated 75 for no reasons, hoping that those 75 rated players will grow into 85+ rated players.
If Onana doesnt move then André for the league and Martinéz in the cups. Villa keeper more likely to save a penalty or two on the way to FA/Carling cup trophy.