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De Gea wasn't good for at least 5 years before leaving Man Utd. He should have been sold at least a couple of years before 2023.Keeping De Gea for two more seasons would provide us with better goalkeeping at no extra cost, as opposed to the 40m or so we spent on Onana. Since Ferguson retired a consistent trait of United was letting go for cheap/free players that can be still utilized and bringing in WORSE players for huge money. Essentially we've spent 40m to get worse goalkeeping than we had. If we kept De Gea, it's possible we get Champions League in 23/24. Usually, the busier De Gea was the better his performances and we were letting massive amount of shots on that season. In any way those 40m could have been spent to get a better striker than hojlund. And yeah, if we got a good goalkeeper instead of Onana, nobody would be talking about De Gea, but we didn't. Our recruitment department should have said Onana is worse than what we have, so let's look elsewhere, or let's keep it as it is.
But the worst thing is not that we had one better goalkeeper thant Onana. We had TWO. We also had Dean Henderson. We could have kept him as an interim solution until an opportunity for a world class goalkeeper appears.
Asset management has been nothing but a disaster in the last dozen years.
Christ, you are a bore.You didn't answer my question
Do you think that in any way tells the full story?Christ, you are a bore.
Ok then, well according to the PL stats Onana made 3 errors leading to a goal, which was joint 4th highest with Areola. Onana made 1 in 23/24, so that's 4 in the last 2 years.
Last season Muric and Verbruggen both made 5 ELTG, and then 2 each in 23/24. So that's 7 each in 2 seasons.
So there's 2 for you. Muric and Verbruggen are both worse goalkeepers than Onana.
Of course not, but the idea that just anyone will be an upgrade doesn't take everything into account either.Do you think that in any way tells the full story?
De Gea was constantly one of our best players. He was on monstrous wages when crap players like Fred and Lingard earned 120k a week and DDG was the difference between top 6 finish and relegation seasons like this past one.De Gea wasn't good for at least 5 years before leaving Man Utd. He should have been sold at least a couple of years before 2023.
He was also on monstrously high wages and he simply wasn't delivering for Man Utd. He had to go but we got a wrong replacement for him.
Mate De Gea was terrible in his final 3 years. I don’t know how people continue to sweep that under the carpet. He made countless mistakes but not only that, he should poo his pants when he had the ball on his feet.Keeping De Gea for two more seasons would provide us with better goalkeeping at no extra cost, as opposed to the 40m or so we spent on Onana. Since Ferguson retired a consistent trait of United was letting go for cheap/free players that can be still utilized and bringing in WORSE players for huge money. Essentially we've spent 40m to get worse goalkeeping than we had. If we kept De Gea, it's possible we get Champions League in 23/24. Usually, the busier De Gea was the better his performances and we were letting massive amount of shots on that season. In any way those 40m could have been spent to get a better striker than hojlund. And yeah, if we got a good goalkeeper instead of Onana, nobody would be talking about De Gea, but we didn't. Our recruitment department should have said Onana is worse than what we have, so let's look elsewhere, or let's keep it as it is.
But the worst thing is not that we had one better goalkeeper thant Onana. We had TWO. We also had Dean Henderson. We could have kept him as an interim solution until an opportunity for a world class goalkeeper appears.
Asset management has been nothing but a disaster in the last dozen years.
Not just anyone - but there are 100 goalkeepers across Europe that are better than him. It’s a really easy upgrade to make. Unlike a striker where there are only 4-5 strikers we could get and other clubs are chasing them as well.Of course not, but the idea that just anyone will be an upgrade doesn't take everything into account either.
What's with all the vague questions? Tell me the whole story of you care about it so much
Need to get rid of Onana first.Not just anyone - but there are 100 goalkeepers across Europe that are better than him. It’s a really easy upgrade to make. Unlike a striker where there are only 4-5 strikers we could get and other clubs are chasing them as well.
We could throw out £20m and get most keepers (except the very best 4-5) without any competition at all.
He was sheite in his last 3 or 4 seasons. He was making tons of comical mistakes and blunders similar to Onana. He was one of the best paid goalkeepers at that time but he was way past his prime.De Gea was constantly one of our best players. He was on monstrous wages when crap players like Fred and Lingard earned 120k a week and DDG was the difference between top 6 finish and relegation seasons like this past one.
You seem to mix up timelines and talk a lot of garbage. “Tons of mistakes” equals to 5, while winning the golden glove in his final year here. What’s with the “best paid” enormous wages argument? Do you live under a rock these past years?He was sheite in his last 3 or 4 seasons. He was making tons of comical mistakes and blunders similar to Onana. He was one of the best paid goalkeepers at that time but he was way past his prime.
He was never the same player after 2018 WC where he made terrible mistakes, especially against Portugal. So those wages were never justified, especially in his latter years of his time at Utd. Just because Onana is terrible, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't have got rid of De Gea.
"Talk a lot of garbage". No, I am speaking the truth. He was not good in his last couple of seasons and was completely unreliable and prone to serious blunders. Obviously, our wage structure has been horrific and De Gea was part of that problem.You seem to mix up timelines and talk a lot of garbage. “Tons of mistakes” equals to 5, while winning the golden glove in his final year here. What’s with the “best paid” enormous wages argument? Do you live under a rock these past years?
Fecking nobody’s like Sancho were earning 250k a week even back then what were you expecting DDG to earn same as Fred and Lindelof?
I'm not a bore, I'm calling you out on your nonsense. Onana made at least 5 huge errors in the Champions League campaign in his first season. Everyone else in the thread knows the truth but you keep banging on about being unable to replace him. Stick an average Premier League goalkeeper in and he'll do a better job.Christ, you are a bore.
Ok then, well according to the PL stats Onana made 3 errors leading to a goal, which was joint 4th highest with Areola. Onana made 1 in 23/24, so that's 4 in the last 2 years.
Last season Muric and Verbruggen both made 5 ELTG, and then 2 each in 23/24. So that's 7 each in 2 seasons.
So there's 2 for you. Muric and Verbruggen are both worse goalkeepers than Onana.
I don't want an average keeperI'm not a bore, I'm calling you out on your nonsense. Onana made at least 5 huge errors in the Champions League campaign in his first season. Everyone else in the thread knows the truth but you keep banging on about being unable to replace him. Stick an average Premier League goalkeeper in and he'll do a better job.
An average keeper would be a significant improvement. Just having someone who does the basics correctly would give our defense so much confidence.I don't want an average keeper
Christ, you are a bore.
Ok then, well according to the PL stats Onana made 3 errors leading to a goal, which was joint 4th highest with Areola. Onana made 1 in 23/24, so that's 4 in the last 2 years.
Last season Muric and Verbruggen both made 5 ELTG, and then 2 each in 23/24. So that's 7 each in 2 seasons.
So there's 2 for you. Muric and Verbruggen are both worse goalkeepers than Onana.
For cross reference, applying the same standard as above, De Gea had 6 (or 7) mistakes leading to goal in 21/22 season:
1) conceding shot right at him x 2
2) assisting the opponent x 1
3) spilling weak lame shots x 1
4) on the ground pretending to be injured x 1
5) parrying the ball into the danger zone x 1
6) letting a cross go in x 0.5 (dubious)
we were right to get rid of him but we replaced him with a much worse goalkeeper
But then we're stuck with an average keeper we need to replace and move on again. Better to buy someone who can be more than that, if not now then eventuallyAn average keeper would be a significant improvement. Just having someone who does the basics correctly would give our defense so much confidence.
applying the same standard as I judged Onana above,
van der sar made 2 (arguable) mistakes leading to goals in 07-08:
1x failing to claim a cross leading to Berbatov's goal
1x parrying the ball into danger zone leading to CIty's goal
that's it. both mistakes are actually quite harsh against VDS.
while Onana had 12 mistakes leading to goal in 23-24 and 15 mistakes leading to goal in 24-25
So with the biggest difference between Onana and a good stable goalkeeper is conceding 10--13 extra silly goals a season
That’s but not the case. We can buy a keeper for £15m, and if they only stay a year or 2 and get replaced - no big deal, sell him on.But then we're stuck with an average keeper we need to replace and move on again. Better to buy someone who can be more than that, if not now then eventually
applying the same standard as I judged Onana above,
van der sar made 2 (arguable) mistakes leading to goals in 07-08:
1x failing to claim a cross leading to Berbatov's goal
1x parrying the ball into danger zone leading to CIty's goal
that's it. both mistakes are actually quite harsh against VDS.
while Onana had 12 mistakes leading to goal in 23-24 and 15 mistakes leading to goal in 24-25
So with the biggest difference between Onana and a good stable goalkeeper is conceding 10--13 extra silly goals a season
Describing VDS as a good stable keeper seems a bit weird. You do need to take into account he was also playing in a much better team, which helps a lot.
Players are always going to make mistakes. For a goalkeeper increasing the amount of shots they face is going to increase the amount of mistakes they make, especially for a guy like Onana who isn't a great shot stopper.Of all positions, I think the performance of GK is least correlated (probably even negatively correlated) with the performance of the rest of the team.
De Gea was in god mode when we did poor.
Players are always going to make mistakes. For a goalkeeper increasing the amount of shots they face is going to increase the amount of mistakes they make, especially for a guy like Onana who isn't a great shot stopper.
Not just anyone - but there are 100 goalkeepers across Europe that are better than him. It’s a really easy upgrade to make. Unlike a striker where there are only 4-5 strikers we could get and other clubs are chasing them as well.
We could throw out £20m and get most keepers (except the very best 4-5) without any competition at all.
There’s 25 in the PL. Yes he is that bad.I'm not a fan of Onana but this is just nonsense.
There's not 100 goalkeepers across Europe that have to play under the microscope like a keeper does at Utd. If/when Onana makes a mistake, the whole world knows about it a few hours later.
There's also not 100 goalkeepers across Europe that play in a team with no working striker. If/when Onana makes a mistake, the team lose because of his mistake because there's no attacking capability to score and negate the goalkeeping error.
He's my favourite United keeper, world class, consistent as anyone I've ever seen, good with his feet and a fecking Giant, made everything look so easy. Wish we got him from Juve about 10 years earlierVDS was something else. He basically made 0 major mistakes in our legendary 07/08 season, which is stuff of legends if you ask me.
Man, I wish we had just one goalkeeper who was at least 50% of what VDS was. Instead we'll be stuck with Onana...
Is that really related?but 10 PL starting goalkeepers faced more shots on target than Onana in 24/25
We actually had plans to buy VDS after the treble in 99 as a replacement for Schmeichel. I'm not sure about the full story but I think that Juve got him first and that's why Fergie didn't buy him in 99. We were in a goalkeeping wilderness for good 6 or 7 years before we bought VDS from Fulham. I have a feeling that might happen after De Gea's departure as well. Onana was a complete failure and who knows if the next GK is gonna be good and reliable.He's my favourite United keeper, world class, consistent as anyone I've ever seen, good with his feet and a fecking Giant, made everything look so easy. Wish we got him from Juve about 10 years earlier
Maybe but that's no excuse. He made so many mistakes and blunders, it's comical. He also played for Inter and Ajax and they are hardly small clubs, so I am not sure if your argument even makes sense. He may be worse than the likes of Taibi, Bosnich, Barthez or Carroll, and that tells you how bad he is. He's a sheite shot stopper, he makes too many mistakes and blunders, his goal positioning is not that good and he's bad when it comes defending set pieces and claiming crosses. We bought him because he was supposed to be good with his feet but even there he is quite average.I'm not a fan of Onana but this is just nonsense.
There's not 100 goalkeepers across Europe that have to play under the microscope like a keeper does at Utd. If/when Onana makes a mistake, the whole world knows about it a few hours later.
Yes that's right, I had it in my head we tried to get him from Juve but he had already agreed to go Fulham, but It was Juve he had already agreed to go.We actually had plans to buy VDS after the treble in 99 as a replacement for Schmeichel. I'm not sure about the full story but I think that Juve got him first and that's why Fergie didn't buy him in 99. We were in a goalkeeping wilderness for good 6 or 7 years before we bought VDS from Fulham. I have a feeling that might happen after De Gea's departure as well. Onana was a complete failure and who knows if the next GK is gonna be good and reliable.
Maybe but that's no excuse. He made so many mistakes and blunders, it's comical. He also played for Inter and Ajax and they are hardly small clubs, so I am not sure if your argument even makes sense. He may be worse than the likes of Taibi, Bosnich, Barthez or Carroll, and that tells you how bad he is. He's a sheite shot stopper, he makes too many mistakes and blunders, his goal positioning is not that good and he's bad when it comes defending set pieces and claiming crosses. We bought him because he was supposed to be good with his feet but even there he is quite average.
For his own sake he should leave Man Utd to revive his career.
Is that really related?
Did I? I made the point that if Onana is facing more shots then his error numbers were likely to be higher.you said it was related yourself a post earlier.,
