I’d happily take average. Not that Pope is average. An average shot stopper wouldn’t make a fraction on the clangers Onana does.
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Can we get Donnarumma please? His contract is expiring in a couple of years, isn’t it?
Out of curiosity, who are the highly rated young goalkeepers these days? Can't remember any top sides being linked to one in a while.
I think for the club and Onana himself - he needs to go. I think being a goalkeeper is the worst position when you're confidence is shot. As a striker, you can get dropped but you can still come on as a sub. For a goalkeeper, once your dropped, you may not seen game-time for a while.
His confidence is gone. Fans are already nervous when he's in goal. It's hard to salvage that.
There was a short time when I was nervous with DDG but he was young, and you knew there was a chance he'd develop the maturity and composure.
Onana being 29 - he needs to move on. Fresh start for him.
His confidence is gone. Fans are already nervous when he's in goal. It's hard to salvage that.
There was a short time when I was nervous with DDG but he was young, and you knew there was a chance he'd develop the maturity and composure.
Onana being 29 - he needs to move on. Fresh start for him.
He flaps at every cross into the box. Good keeper but reminds me of De Gea.
If he’s anything like prime De Gea, i’ll have him anytime mate
And he is already on £210k a week. Also his goalkeeping is suspect .
It’s not that I want Pope really, it’s more that we have a limited budget, and we need lot’s of new players. I think somebody like Pope would be ok for a year or two. He’s nowhere near as error prone as Onana.
Also he's virtually guaranteed trophies every season and a fair crack at the Champions League where he is, why leave?
Is there such a thing anymore as a goalkeeper thats good at shot stopping and good with claiming crosses?
The best goalkeepers are that. They just also have to be good with their feet. It's not an either/or.
Doesn't mean teams can't and don't settle for less than that. But a goalkeeper being bad on the ball is a really glaring weakness, as we saw in our very last game with Bayindir.
Young English keepers who are worth a look at are James Trafford@ Burnley (22) and Sam Tickle @ Wigan (23)... One of the top rated young keepers in Europe is Lucas Chevalier @ Lille (23) and I think we should take a serious look at him as being our first choice keeper... Cheers
I read there was Saudi interest in him when we signed him. Let’s hope that interest still exists.
Agree on these 3 but CM is a desperate need too. I feel like we need a Spanish box to box style midfielder who doesn't panic on the ball but has energy and athleticism. Easy to find right!
When prioritising:
GK - Priority
RWB - Big priority with Dalot and at a stratch Maz or Amad, as cover.
Striker - Big priority.
CM - Ugarte, Casemiro, Mainoo, Mount and Bruno will all rotate in there next season but we need a player in the profile of what I have outlined IMO to become a better team.
The other positions have enough to hold off another window or two for upgrades.
CB - De Ligt, Maguire, Yoro, Maz, Shaw, Heaven, Lisandro > fine
AM - Bruno, Amad, Mount, Mainoo, Zirkzee, Garnacho > fine
LWB - Dorgu, Amass, Dalot when desperate > will do for now
I would take the majority of starting GKs in the prem currently over him. I'm not his biggest fan but Henderson has more to offer than he does, and in hindsight would have worked if he held on just a bit longer.
I’ll be genuinely impressed if we manage to find a downgrade. He’s arguably the worst keeper in the premier league
The only downgrade on Onana would be a plank of wood. Even that would’ve been more useful on the 2 goals Lyon scored the other night.
I want a keeper who is rock solid. A keeper that is never in the headlines, for good or bad.
I get what you’re saying but he would promote the same panic in our defenders that Onana does currently. I remember De Gea being a great shot stopper but I also remember crapping myself at every corner. We just need someone who does the fundamentals.
Yeah good take. The situation reminds me a bit of when we were rotating Howard and Carroll as both of them kept making mistakes, but in reality neither were anywhere near as bad as they played during that period.
That Napoli keeper is out of contract, snap him up and be done with it.
Sell him. If we miss CL, loan a keeper for a season. If not, buy a PL-proven one who actually demands stuff from the defenders, swears a bit and points and shouts. And save a ball or two as well 
This is interesting
"..At least one person who used to work at Carrington feels Onana’s hands are too hard when making saves, and that he needs to soften them in order to direct the ball away from danger. Partly on this basis, his signing was not a unanimous decision in United’s recruitment department..."
"..The £43.8million ($57.8m) fee agreed with Inter is amortised into United’s accounts over the length of Onana’s five-year contract, so he still holds a book value of £26.3m. Finding a buyer to bid more than that is expected to be a struggle. It is for this reason that some people close to the situation believe Onana will ultimately stay at United, unless a loan becomes palatable..."
"..At least one person who used to work at Carrington feels Onana’s hands are too hard when making saves, and that he needs to soften them in order to direct the ball away from danger. Partly on this basis, his signing was not a unanimous decision in United’s recruitment department..."
"..The £43.8million ($57.8m) fee agreed with Inter is amortised into United’s accounts over the length of Onana’s five-year contract, so he still holds a book value of £26.3m. Finding a buyer to bid more than that is expected to be a struggle. It is for this reason that some people close to the situation believe Onana will ultimately stay at United, unless a loan becomes palatable..."
He’d only drop them anyway
Get him washing his hands with fairy liquid
To add salt to the wounds, we are paying Inter the last installment of the transfer fee in the Summer.
Hope he leaves as early as possible in the window and finds the right club. No hard feelings towards him - seems like a decent bloke who isn’t cut out for United.
You could post that comment about so many of our recent purchases.
Basically every transfer is paid in instalments, so this is the case for every one of them that doesn't work out.
How would it make it any better of we'd paid 50m up front as a lump sum?
We could have gotten Sommer for free, but decided to splash the money based on one stellar CL campaign.
Hard to imagine he is actually this bad when his confidence isn't rock bottom (we have seen him play well, after all), but yeah, this one hasn't worked out, he's been atrocious, and it's better for everyone if he goes.
Surely anything we get for him will be a PSR gain?
The 26.3m would be a PSR loss if we keep him
Everyone's overstating the PSR impact, ignoring the hit we'd take on amortization and wages next season if he were to stay.
You have to look at the marginal figures, not the total figures, when doing breakeven analysis.
You have to look at the marginal figures, not the total figures, when doing breakeven analysis.
We would have to get £26.3m to break even. If we sold him for less than that it would a loss in PSR terms.
Most of ours are not working out. That 450m spent before last Summer is a millstone because of the installments, and the fact that we now have a cashflow problem. Onana could have been bought for nothing, and until a month or so ago there seemed a consensus that despite his problems we would not need a new keeper yet. Even if we sell him for an amount which isn't a PSR loss, half of the fee will cover the payment to Inter and we won't be left with very much at all.
If we keep him we're incurring £9m in amortization and £10m in wages in the next financial period. You need to net that out against the remaining book value to get the actual breakeven figure.
In reality it's more like £7m to break even for PSR purposes.
Fixed it but largely agree.
I love the fact we’re so desperate for a new keeper, we don’t even bother naming them. Anyone is better!
Get that guy, the one who wears the long sleeve kit and puts those really big gloves on. yeah him, he often plays deeper then the defenders. Name escapes me.
But if we kept him for the remainder of his contract it's all PSR loss anyway
Selling him would be a partial improvement to PSR overall
I don't see why everyone thinks a player can only be sold for profit/break even.