Yeah that's not a bad idea, just worry that he is a bit prone to parrying balls back into danger area
André Onana (Out)
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
Ah Cmere, he's way better than Taibi. He's a good keeper for a team that can play out from the back. We just can't do it reliably. I'm suprised that he's sufferd so much with 3 at the back though. I thought that would be the rebirth of him here tbh
If Amorim didn't replace him, it will cause him his job next season. I hope I'm wrong but it's very obvious.
First season he was here, he singlehandedly kicked us out of CL and he was one of the biggest reason we finished 8th.
Second season, he cause us an EL Cup and hence CL and lots of money. He was also one of the main culprit for us finishing 15th (along with the Hojlund).
Third season? Pray hard.
First season he was here, he singlehandedly kicked us out of CL and he was one of the biggest reason we finished 8th.
Second season, he cause us an EL Cup and hence CL and lots of money. He was also one of the main culprit for us finishing 15th (along with the Hojlund).
Third season? Pray hard.
Had quality game at Anfield, then less said about the Southampton and Chelsea games the better
There are goalkeeping errors and then there was Taibi. He was atrocious. Any keeper that plays in jogging bottoms tells you all you need to know.
Not one of Fergies best buys that’s for sure. What he did do was get rid quite quickly though.
Man of the match in 25% of his appearances though!
In terms of importance of the position and his obvious lack of sufficient quality, he's IMV the most urgent outgoing bit of business we've got. There is absolutely no way he should be #1 when the season starts. We've got adequate sample size of two seasons now, he's terrible.
Thread should be shut on this opinion, there's no debate.
Yes, he absolutely needs to go. The problem is that he still wants to play for Utd. Amorim needs to tell Onana that he isn't part of Amorim's plans and do the same thing as he did to Sancho and Rashford. I don't want to ever see Onana at Carrington again.
It’s not though, you scroll back and there’s people not prioritising a keeper….which I find staggering
We don’t have the money to buy a replacement this year.
We'll take a huge hit on his fee, and that's assuming there's a buyer for him. What's the most we'd get for him in today's inflated prices? £10-12 Million? I don't know but it's a sure bet that replacing him will cost us a lot more than that. I think Amorim will have to stick with him for the upcoming season and prioritize a striker. We won't get both unless we go shopping in the lower leagues.
GK is arguably the cheapest position to replace. If we're able to sell our unwanted players we should be able to earmark a small amount towards a stop-gap for the next 1-2 seasons.
That's a sunk cost. Our PSR position is solid so the asset writedown should be manageable.
It 's not that staggering though. As bad as Onana is our lack of a regular goalscoring attacker killed us in a big way last year . We "only" conceded 10 more than City who were 3rd despite us being 17th. Villa conceded 3 less than us , Brighton conceded 5 more than us and finished 9th. I'd like to be rid Onana but getting the attack sorted first is absolutey a bigger priority IMO
That’s a big if.
More goals upfront is the biggest priority, followed by an actual midfield.
Indeed it is, but all our outstanding summer business relies on it happening
We can buy an experienced goalkeeper who is cheaper like Ter Stegen or Sommer. Ter Stegen is worth only around 10 million pounds.
One more year of Onana is going to be pure terrorism. The situation is urgent and he simply needs to go away. If we sell Rashford, Sancho, Malacia and Antony our PSR will improve a lot. There are a lot of cheap (and experienced) goalkeepers on the market and we should be able to get them and they're much better than Onana.
Ter Stegen jesus christ. What is the obession with him
Sure gamble on a 33 year old who just spent almost the whole of last season injured who is one of the highest paid player in his position. Cheap my ass.
But that’s thinking about it purely as business. At the moment, he’s the first choice keeper at Manchester United, on a fairly chunky, 3 year contract. The clubs that might consider signing him he absolutely wouldn’t want to go to. Milan if they lose Maignan might be the only that might be interested and that he’d consider having lived in Milan before. No sign of the Saudis coming with a bag of cash.
We’re stuck with him for another season, but if we can upgrade on Bayindir with a solid veteran or a youngster, maybe they can dislodge him (they’d have to be bad not to). Come next summer, he’s into his final 2 years and no longer first choice, then maybe he’s looking to move on.
I’m resigned to being stuck with him, but he is truly dreadful.
Is he? He's on about 100k at Barca
Sure gamble on a 33 year old who just spent almost the whole of last season injured who is one of the highest paid player in his position. Cheap my ass.
He’s on the same deferred scheme that FDJ is on, and his current wages is after multiple pay cuts and deferred wages. He’s not taking a pay cut for us.
One of the most underrated goalkeepers of this generation. He has won every conceivable trophy with Barca including their famous treble in 2015. He's been playing for Barca for 10 years. Maybe that's why.
Geez, you guys don't want Emi Martinez, you don't want Ter Stegen. No transfer will ever satisfy you. Ter Stegen is on 100k a week and he's one of the most proven and experienced keepers in the world.
Sure gamble on a 33 year old who just spent almost the whole of last season injured who is one of the highest paid player in his position. Cheap my ass.
And we are talking about starting goalkeepers for Germany and Argentina for feck sake. We bought Van Der Saar at similar age and look what he did for us. Stop will all of this moaning or otherwise we'll just be stuck with Onana.
Exactly. I’m an ABO - Anyone But Onana.
Individually dreadful and makes the players around him worse. Ter Stegen, Martinez, Pope, James Beadle, Jeremy Beadle… I’d have any of them.
For every Van Der Saar, there’s also a Victor Valdes. Not all experienced/matured keepers will turn out to be half as good as Edwin. Having said that I’d definitely have Emi Martinez in right now. I don’t watch enough of Ter Stegen to be able to comment on him.
Sadly, Martinez is really not an upgrade on Onana.
Any keeper who cant make the defenders believe in him is a bad keeper in my opinion, no matter how good they actually are in reflex, shot stopping, etc. So.... therefore Onana is a bad keeper. Neuer was a controversial keeper but his defenders trusted him. Onana has never done that, he was touted to be a better GK than De Gea because he came out of his box more often but if the defenders dont trust him then he cant even do it anymore or if he does the others get nervous and might make mistakes too.
Please replace him. I think if Rio and Vidic were playing ahead of him they would have lashed out at his silly mistakes that costed us points. They would turn red every game. Onana is just so unreliable.
Please replace him. I think if Rio and Vidic were playing ahead of him they would have lashed out at his silly mistakes that costed us points. They would turn red every game. Onana is just so unreliable.
Don't let the laughable cluelessnes that some people on the Caf exhibited back then trick you into thinking that Neuer was ever controversial amongst his clubs. He wasn't. The most controversy his employ ever saw was a small group of Bayern ultras who questioned the unprecedented transfer sum spent on him and declared that he wasn't needed, their own keeper Kraft back then was also good enough. It was honestly weird and backwards how a very vocal part of the Caf kept going on about his style being suicidal right up until he won the world cup, when everyday evidence clearly showed the contrary. I do quite vividly remember those discussions, even if I was just an unparticipating lurker back then.
But back to Onana, it should be unquestionable that he's not sustainable in goal. It's not even about non-quantifiable things like trust, he's a hazard by every metric.
The only question for me is whether United wants to replace him outright and buy a new #1 directly, or if they'll replace Bayindir (who is equally not good enough for his position) with someone quality enough to challenge Onana for his spot.
Being "controversial" doesn't mean being bad. Neuer was definitely a bit controversial in the beginning because of his unconventional playstyle (sweeper-keeper). He was practically a pioneer when it came to sweper-keeper postion and it definitely caused a decent amount of controversy. Not only did he sweep the ball whenever he was threatened by the opposition attackers but he was also excellent with his feet. Neuer practically revolutionized his own position in a way that was never seen before.
His match against Alegeria in 2014 being the most memorable one. Oliver Kahn was much more controversial than Neuer but no one can deny the brilliance of Kahn and his shot stopping abilties.
True but Valdes was washed when he came to Utd. Martinez and Ter Stegen certainly aren't. We need to buy two goalkeepers anyways. Once the new experienced GK becomes washed, the new younger goalkeeper will replace him.
If this clown is still no.1 in goal starting the new EPL season God help us. It seems that it will be this way.
Can't understand how any United fan would be content with Onana starting a game for us ever again. The narrative of bringing in a cheap keeper who can challenge with Onana (and what I expect to happen) is farcical.
I've never seen a worse goalkeeper in all my years of watching football and I include Taibi in that statement.
I've never seen a worse goalkeeper in all my years of watching football and I include Taibi in that statement.
I think it's more a case of there are soooo many fires to put out with only a limited budget and limited time in the window.
I'm sure Amorim would love a new keeper this summer, but I just can't see it happening sadly.
Whats Brad Friedel up to these days?
How about Diego Lopez?
How about Diego Lopez?
We could surely find a loan deal for a goalkeeper with some experience.
Kepa Arrizabalaga would been a cheap and better option than Onana.
Not sure I can agree with Kepa, but sure you would think a loan could be found. I mean what do the scouts do all year round? haha
But as I said sooooo many fires to put out, Mbeumo has taken over a month since the first bid, so we might be living in dream land hoping for a new GF, CF, MF this summer.
Are many people advocating a cheap keeper to compete with him?
I can’t stand him, and I never want to see him play for United again. But think we are stuck with him on the squad.
I think we can and should buy a keeper for under £15m as our new no 1 - and there are dozens and dozens of options. I don’t think we are in the position to spend big, but we don’t have to. If that keeper gets replaced the season after or the one after that, so what, no big deal and no big cost.
The 10th most expensive keeper signed ever before this summer was Neuer at £25m and that was maybe 15 years ago? This should be one of the easiest signings the club has ever made.
I agree with that.
he doesnt ever seem to cleanly catch a shot. which is bizzare for an elite GK and one thats played a champs league final.