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It's past the point where he should be insulted for performances. It's best for both parties that he moves on as soon as possible.
 

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A dire performance yesterday. Ok he us not a DM player but simple control and passing were piss poor.. he wasnt the only one but he was the worst.
Its unbelievable a huge club has sod all cover in midfield if a couple are crocked. How on earth has this been allowed to happen. Fellani and Herrera gone. Matic all but finished so we turn to Fred who couldnt get a game last season cos hes hopeless.. and pierra who is div 2 standard.
Wtf... January purchase of 2 midfielders an absolute must, no excuses go and find two who can improve on these 2 clowns
 

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I see your point. He did decent enough in the last few games as a 10 and still has room to improve. Ideally we would have better players, i agree.
He had one decent game recently at home. But he's just so mediocre in general. Pops up and does one decent thing every 60 minutes. Other than run a lot, he offers precious little. Physically unimposing, not quick, very poor football brain/awareness, average passer.

One of the most pointless starters I've seen.
 

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I've said this before but i'll say it again. Ole had more than half a season plus pre-season to fully judge pereira...yet for some inexplicable reason he decided this player was good enough to be in a Manchester United squad?! Jesus wept.
It's bewlindering. How anyone could have watched this player day in day out for 6 months and decided that he should form part of our squad.
 

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It's past the point where he should be insulted for performances. It's best for both parties that he moves on as soon as possible.
And replace him with whom?

Yesterday we had two midfielders in the entire squad fit - who would you suggest have played yesterday?
 

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Obviously he was shit yesterday, but everybody complaining about him being in the squad or playing at all seem to be forgetting that the reason he's in the starting team at the moment is that Lingard and Mata were even worse for the first couple of months this season. Pereira eventually got a chance and comfortably performed them.

Yes I'd definitely prefer Gomes to get a bit more of a chance, or for us to play Pogba ahead of the two midfielders when he's back. But if it's a choice between Pereira, Lingard or Mata, I'd prefer Pereira. In saying that, Lingard has been slowly improving in his last few games so maybe he'll move ahead again.
You wonder how much the fuss over the summer shenanigans affected Lingard's confidence.
 

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Just read he had a pass completion of 66.67%. That is truly woeful and it goes a long way to explain what happened in the first half with us being so dominated in mid.
 

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Obviously he was shit yesterday, but everybody complaining about him being in the squad or playing at all seem to be forgetting that the reason he's in the starting team at the moment is that Lingard and Mata were even worse for the first couple of months this season. Pereira eventually got a chance and comfortably performed them.
I don't think he did that. He hasn't done much of anything apart from 1 good game. This seems to stem from the fact that he plays every time.
 

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And replace him with whom?

Yesterday we had two midfielders in the entire squad fit - who would you suggest have played yesterday?
Even Garner or a CB out of position would do better. Lingard got subbed on there in a position hes never played in and did loads better. Pereira is an awful footballer with no awareness or intelligence on the pitch. Just not cut out for this level in the premier league.
 

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This lad will be the catalyst to end Ole's term as our manager - he must have stated he thought he was good enough to play a key role in the side and to let Herrera and Fellaini leave the club without replacement. Herrera was poor contractual management from Woodward and I hated having Fellaini in the side but bloody hell he's miles better than this fraud of a player !

We've some flashes of form and a couple of decent shots but he can leave now please - Lingard as well.
 

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He should never play in center midfield again. Just an absolutely awful performance...If there was a NOT Man of the Match award I'd be torn between him and Phil Jones.

He's a nothing player and should be offloaded in the summer. I'd rather see Angel Gomes get his minutes in the AM role.
 

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He was terrible yesterday, no doubt about that.

He gets dispossessed far too easily, for one thing. Which is bad enough, generally speaking - but made worse by the fact that he doesn't seem nearly aware enough of when he should and should not push up with the ball at his feet.

Plays it safe when he could have - with relatively low risk - tried something more clever. And then tries something clever when he absolutely should have just opted for recycling the ball.

Doubt he'll ever amount to much, sadly. Potentially useful against poor opposition in a more or less purely attacking capacity (but surely, in time, we should have better options). As a central midfielder, though - more of an allrounder type - no, can't see it happening for him, even as a rotational option.
 
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We have promising players coming through in other positions, do we have anyone else in the youth setup that could make the step up? I realise centre mid is the absolute hardest position to play, especially at a younger age since you need tactical discipline and awareness more so than other positions, not to mentions some degree of physicality.
 

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I don't think he did that. He hasn't done much of anything apart from 1 good game. This seems to stem from the fact that he plays every time.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he was great (or even necessarily good). But the other two were atrociously bad, the worst both have played in their time with us. Ole obviously wasn't happy either as he'd give one a couple of games then switch to the other, only to switch back when the second was just as bad. After switching back and forth between them a couple of times Ole gave Pereira the opportunity instead and he was at least decent-ish, with a couple of good games thrown in. He's been the preferred option

A couple more games like last night and I'm sure Pereira will lose his spot as well (and we'll go back to alternating between the three of them until somebody wins out), but hopefully he'll be back to decent performances once he moves back to the #10 role. Although hopefully Pogba is back soon and he takes that spot, albeit playing a bit deeper.
 

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He works really hard but when you’re not clever in your press that just means he is easily made to get out of the opposition’s way with a simple feint. His passing’s not good enough, and neither is his control or awareness.
 

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Not a huge surprise that Pereira in midfield didn't work out. Nor that he got caught in possession for their 2nd goal; not a bad error on his part. The static forward line didn't help him.
I strongly disagree. It was horrible.
 

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Not a huge surprise that Pereira in midfield didn't work out. Nor that he got caught in possession for their 2nd goal; not a bad error on his part. The static forward line didn't help him.
I strongly disagree. It was horrible.
Should be noted that on the second goal, the pass from AWB was bad, on the wrong foot and not particularly smart when Pereira was moving in the opposite direction. Difficult to control the ball under these circumstances.
Maybe a reasonable excuse if this was an Under-15 match. But come on mate... that is a reach.
 

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His passing’s not good enough, and neither is his control or awareness.
The last part is the most worrying, I'd say. You need to think quickly to be of any use, on a regular basis, at the highest level. Decision making, under pressure, is what separates someone who is suited for the big time from someone who isn't. Purely technical ability comes on top of that - and is obviously necessary for an actual top shelf player. But you can get away with not being brilliant in that respect if you have a knack for making the right call, quickly enough.

My impression of him is that he's a player who wants to, and tries to, impose himself on the match - but who critically lacks several aspects, both technically and mentally, needed to do so effectively. His best performances for United have come in matches where things have generally flowed our way, very much so (one could even say). Contrast that with McTominay: he isn't perfect by any means from a technical perspective, but he has stood out - from his earliest performances - as someone who doesn't look out of place even against very good opposition.

He might be more suited to a lower level, in short. Where the flow of the match doesn't change as quickly. He has a decent foot on him when he's afforded time and space.
 

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Maybe a reasonable excuse if this was an Under-15 match. But come on mate... that is a reach.

In general, I'm not a big fan of Pereira, but we lost the ball prior to their second goal more down due to the pass from AWB. Receiving the ball when running in the opposite direction is difficult regardless of player and prefered foot received. Calling him out for trying to make impossible passes or losing the ball in other situations is fair game, but the main reason he lost the ball prior to the second goal was due to AWB making that pass.
 

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I strongly disagree. It was horrible.
Imagine if Pogba got caught out like that? We wouldn't hear the end of it for MONTHS.

awful control, weak on the ball and no ability to recover it. He's the definition of a fair weather player.

In general, I'm not a big fan of Pereira, but we lost the ball prior to their second goal more down due to the pass from AWB. Receiving the ball when running in the opposite direction is difficult regardless of player and prefered foot received. Calling him out for trying to make impossible passes or losing the ball in other situations is fair game, but the main reason he lost the ball prior to the second goal was due to AWB making that pass.
Don't agree at all. The pass was nothing to worry about and 99% of professionals would control that with ease. You're being very kind here and using much lower standards than the rest of the team would get.
 

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The fact that ole still trusts this kid just proves how far off he is in his judgement of Andreas.

Not every young player who is good with a dead ball is good!
The fact that we started him alongside Fred in centre midfield would suggest that we were out of options.

Apart from Gomes though, who keeps getting better and better and better for every match he's not involved in
 

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No we did not run out of options. It was the height of idiocy to play a two man midfield from the start. Ole could have and should have played Jones or Matic as the holding midfield player. That gives cover the CBs and also cover to Fred and Pereira as they wpuld not be that badly outnumbered. Pereira had a bad game but when you put players under so much pressure, you are bound to make mistakes. Why are they under so much pressure? Because they are out numbered so badly. Everyone expected both Fred and Pereira to defend and attack against a 4 man midfield? It is utterly ridiculous.
 

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In general, I'm not a big fan of Pereira, but we lost the ball prior to their second goal more down due to the pass from AWB. Receiving the ball when running in the opposite direction is difficult regardless of player and prefered foot received. Calling him out for trying to make impossible passes or losing the ball in other situations is fair game, but the main reason he lost the ball prior to the second goal was due to AWB making that pass.
Sorry not accepting this.
  1. He was running towards the pass from AWB. He received it on his preferred foot and butchered the first touch.
  2. Proceeded to butcher an easy standing tackle when the opposition couldn’t control it well
  3. Headless chicken style running after the wing player instead of doing the more aware, intelligent and mature decision of tracking back centrally so Fred didn’t have to lose centre midfield. Andreas would definitely rank the lowest in IQ - shocking.
Watch the clip from the game thread mark. I can’t believe I’m having to explain this regarding a premier league player. This is something you see in Sunday league games.
 

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In general, I'm not a big fan of Pereira, but we lost the ball prior to their second goal more down due to the pass from AWB. Receiving the ball when running in the opposite direction is difficult regardless of player and prefered foot received. Calling him out for trying to make impossible passes or losing the ball in other situations is fair game, but the main reason he lost the ball prior to the second goal was due to AWB making that pass.
Someone who cant control a routine pass like AWB's under some pressure 99% of the time is someone who simply isnt cut out for playing at a club like United. It's not good enough for most if not all teams in the league ffs. Was entirely on Pereira.
 

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Sorry not accepting this.
  1. He was running towards the pass from AWB. He received it on his preferred foot and butchered the first touch.
  2. Proceeded to butcher an easy standing tackle when the opposition couldn’t control it well
  3. Headless chicken style running after the wing player instead of doing the more aware, intelligent and mature decision of tracking back centrally so Fred didn’t have to lose centre midfield. Andreas would definitely rank the lowest in IQ - shocking.
Watch the clip from the game thread mark. I can’t believe I’m having to explain this regarding a premier league player. This is something you see in Sunday league games.
Someone who cant control a routine pass like AWB's under some pressure 99% of the time is someone who simply isnt cut out for playing at a club like United. It's not good enough for most if not all teams in the league ffs. Was entirely on Pereira.
Moments before AWB passes, Pereira shift direction from towards AWB to running up the line. Just watch the clip again and you will see a short change in direction. In addition, there is a golden rule that when a player runs towards where the ball will come from, the pass should be a lot softer (change in momentum on the ball: impulse physics). Which it was not.

I am well aware of all the other times Pereira has lost the ball in similar situations to this due to him lacking awareness of other players around him or really bad control on the ball, but this is not one of those situations where he is solely to blame.

Similar to many of our other players, he is not the brightest footballer around. And in a number of our matches you see Sunday league issues made by players in our team: Throw-ins, set pieces, getting lured into bad situations when on the ball...

Is Pereira good enough for a United trying to not be sh*t? Not by a mile, but the same holds for half of the players in the squad, our manager, our coaches, our "recruitment system", our idea of how to play football etc.
 

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The last part is the most worrying, I'd say. You need to think quickly to be of any use, on a regular basis, at the highest level. Decision making, under pressure, is what separates someone who is suited for the big time from someone who isn't. Purely technical ability comes on top of that - and is obviously necessary for an actual top shelf player. But you can get away with not being brilliant in that respect if you have a knack for making the right call, quickly enough.

My impression of him is that he's a player who wants to, and tries to, impose himself on the match - but who critically lacks several aspects, both technically and mentally, needed to do so effectively. His best performances for United have come in matches where things have generally flowed our way, very much so (one could even say). Contrast that with McTominay: he isn't perfect by any means from a technical perspective, but he has stood out - from his earliest performances - as someone who doesn't look out of place even against very good opposition.

He might be more suited to a lower level, in short. Where the flow of the match doesn't change as quickly. He has a decent foot on him when he's afforded time and space.
Pretty much sums him up. Hes like Mata without the footballing IQ and technique.

Hope Garner can do a Williams, because ideally we should never be forced to play this guy again.
 

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He has contributed with one goal and one assist on his last 16 games, it's not just about the last game. He is average at best, should be shipped out, has good attitude but lacks quality.
 

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I still cant believe this guy . plays every single game..... This is Manchester United not sunderland. This guy woul not even start for the like of (Villa, Wolves, Watford) let alone the big four.
 

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Moments before AWB passes, Pereira shift direction from towards AWB to running up the line. Just watch the clip again and you will see a short change in direction. In addition, there is a golden rule that when a player runs towards where the ball will come from, the pass should be a lot softer (change in momentum on the ball: impulse physics). Which it was not.

I am well aware of all the other times Pereira has lost the ball in similar situations to this due to him lacking awareness of other players around him or really bad control on the ball, but this is not one of those situations where he is solely to blame.

Similar to many of our other players, he is not the brightest footballer around. And in a number of our matches you see Sunday league issues made by players in our team: Throw-ins, set pieces, getting lured into bad situations when on the ball...

Is Pereira good enough for a United trying to not be sh*t? Not by a mile, but the same holds for half of the players in the squad, our manager, our coaches, our "recruitment system", our idea of how to play football etc.
I appreciate your high level summary of saying he is shit along with a couple others in the team. Your bolded part reminded me that there is a #4 point to be made regarding his absolute brain fart. Here’s the clip:


Now.. you’re a CM. Watch the clip and notice how he runs from center into the exact spot AWB was passing - great. Once again you’re a CM - why on earth would you think it’s a good idea that you’re going to make some dummy/ghost run down a channel when you’re a pivotal CM in a 2 man midfield? Like at what point did he think he was going to carry the ball down the channel?? Did he think he was #10? His responsibility there is to provide AWB a safe outlet and retain possession with responsibility. His little dummy/shift in the last millisecond as the pass was coming at him can be clumped under horrible awareness and poor first touch technique. How you set up your body for a pass requires intelligence.

5 years we’ve been saying this kid has a shocking lack of general intelligence. Every coach we’ve had has picked up on it and kept him far away from responsibility. Except Ole.
 

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The fact that we started him alongside Fred in centre midfield would suggest that we were out of options.

Apart from Gomes though, who keeps getting better and better and better for every match he's not involved in
That's not happening at all. You conflate a desire to see Gomes get playing time with the idea that he's somehow some savior. They're not synonymous. Gomes should get more playing time because he's younger so has more room to grow, does not have mountains of evidence that he's not cut out for this level, is more talented, and Pereira clearly hasn't proven that he deserves to be automatic first choice.