CallyRed
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After watching the game again, and putting together a concise and detailed analysis of his performance, I have come to the conclusion that he was, and is, cack.
YES! And don't you dare destroy that facade either!!!You still believe the stereotype that all Brazilian footballers are brilliant,silky skilled honing their skills on the Copacabana
Bolded part: I agree with you, but we have seen this happen with McT and Fred this season as well. This is still a good point, but it is more down to our instructions or lack thereof than on Pereira in this particular case. But then again there are two additional points that complicate this issue of blame and whether I'm "wright".I appreciate your high level summary of saying he is shit along with a couple others in the team. Your bolded part reminded me that there is a #4 point to be made regarding his absolute brain fart. Here’s the clip:
Now.. you’re a CM. Watch the clip and notice how he runs from center into the exact spot AWB was passing - great. Once again you’re a CM - why on earth would you think it’s a good idea that you’re going to make some dummy/ghost run down a channel when you’re a pivotal CM in a 2 man midfield? Like at what point did he think he was going to carry the ball down the channel?? Did he think he was #10? His responsibility there is to provide AWB a safe outlet and retain possession with responsibility. His little dummy/shift in the last millisecond as the pass was coming at him can be clumped under horrible awareness and poor first touch technique. How you set up your body for a pass requires intelligence.
5 years we’ve been saying this kid has a shocking lack of general intelligence. Every coach we’ve had has picked up on it and kept him far away from responsibility. Except Ole.
Garner isn't ready, out of positions CB's who aren't even good at playing CB? wowEven Garner or a CB out of position would do better. Lingard got subbed on there in a position hes never played in and did loads better. Pereira is an awful footballer with no awareness or intelligence on the pitch. Just not cut out for this level in the premier league.
oyGarner isn't ready, out of positions CB's who aren't even good at playing CB? wow
And Lingard wasn't loads better - he's also atrocious.
I agree Periera isn't the best, but for yesterdays game Ole literally had no other option but to play him
I disagree with playing someone out of position.@Fosu-Mens The issue is he keeps running towards AWB and closes the gap way beyond what he needed to. At approximately 9 seconds in the video he was in the perfect position, he was in good space, a decent distance away from AWB to give him an option but not crowd him.
AWB looks up and passes to him, but Pereira instead of stopping in the same place, starts running towards him, which ends up doing 2 things;
1. Makes the weight of pass from AWB seem harder than it should of been, or inaccurate
2. Makes the reaction times needed to control the pass a lot harder, thus why he ends up taking a stretched heavy touch.
I think a lot of it comes down to tactics to be honest, the coaching staff should never have let us play a 2 man midfield, especially with a pair of light weight, not very athletic midfielders. Barcelona would never have played a 2 man midfield of Xavi/Iniesta. Expecting Pereira to suddenly play in that position and do well was asking too much.
We really should have put Jones/Tuanzebe behind them as a bit of an enforcer, but I guess we expected to be on the front foot and they'd be more defensive. I think their pressing caught us by surprise.
I disagree with playing someone out of position.
If we were caught surprise by they're pressing them we need to seriously consider how we approach games. I'm in no way a professional but from watching Sheffield United on MOTD im fully aware they play with a high energy press.
I think the issue was player application rather than set up. Our midfield / back 4 were so sluggish and error prone. They bullied us into mistakes.
I'd comment on our front 3 but they only bothered to show up for 15 mins or so
Nah, I think on this one it's just that Pereira is fecking shite.oy
I haven't an issue with this; it's the way we set up. Ole hasn't a clue how to get the best out of players like Pereira. Meanwhile, our ex player Norwood outshone him. It comes down to crap coaching, let's be honest
When you do not have any instructions on how to play, pass or move in general, then players are more likely to make mistakes. Especially when they are not experienced or among the more intelligent players...@Fosu-Mens The issue is he keeps running towards AWB and closes the gap way beyond what he needed to. At approximately 9 seconds in the video he was in the perfect position, he was in good space, a decent distance away from AWB to give him an option but not crowd him.
AWB looks up and passes to him, but Pereira instead of stopping in the same place, starts running towards him, which ends up doing 2 things;
1. Makes the weight of pass from AWB seem harder than it should of been, or inaccurate
2. Makes the reaction times needed to control the pass a lot harder, thus why he ends up taking a stretched heavy touch.
I think a lot of it comes down to tactics to be honest, the coaching staff should never have let us play a 2 man midfield, especially with a pair of light weight, not very athletic midfielders. Barcelona would never have played a 2 man midfield of Xavi/Iniesta. Expecting Pereira to suddenly play in that position and do well was asking too much.
We really should have put Jones/Tuanzebe behind them as a bit of an enforcer, but I guess we expected to be on the front foot and they'd be more defensive. I think their pressing caught us by surprise.
It's not fair to blame the coach if a player lacks the intelligence. Though in all fairness Ole needs to take the blame for not sending this lad packing to U-18s and then on the way out.When you do not have any instructions on how to play, pass or move in general, then players are more likely to make mistakes. Especially when they are not experienced or among the more intelligent players...
Ever think it might just be that Pereira is fecking crap? He's nearly 24 and no manager at any stage has been able to get consistent performances from him. He was ok at best at Granada, couldn't get into the team at Valencia and has been shite for United under Mourinho and Solskjaer.oy
I haven't an issue with this; it's the way we set up. Ole hasn't a clue how to get the best out of players like Pereira. Meanwhile, our ex player Norwood outshone him. It comes down to crap coaching, let's be honest
Wow..Great cross for the goal, also several nice passes into the hole for players. Needs to do better with his discipline and not give away as many freekicks. And Fred did the large majority of the defending of the two so he can do more there too. I dont think Pogba would have closed down any better against Grealish for the goal
It's an exaggeration. He's not good enough to be playing for a top Manchester United team no. We are Manchester United the mid table team though and if that's what we aspire to be then he fits in just about right. Doesn't help that we don't really look like we have a clue what to do apart from give the ball to Rashford or James then hope they do something with it. We're an absolute disaster.Good assist, utterly useless outside of that. He cant tackle, he cant dribble, he cant pass.
Hes among the worst players i have ever seen play for us, and thats not an exaggeration
I'm not sure about the last part but his effort and crosses/set pieces are good enough that he's a pretty classic archetypal lower end of the Prem or La Liga quality player despite his other weaknesses, but definitely not good enough for a top 6 team.Has moments of quality but is far too sloppy in general play. Not his fault he's playing as we literally have no-one else in midfield at the moment and he's a better 10 than the dossers Mata and Lingard.
Pereira isn't close to Lingard even as a 10.He's terrible in the midfield, isn't he? We need one of our midfielders back so that Pereira can go back to #10 where he is at least an improvement over Mata and Lingard (not exactly high praise). Of course the hope is that once he's back Pogba will take over that role himself, as none of those three are anywhere near good enough.
The guy can’t play that position at all. He should go back to being a 10 (better than Mata & Lingard there), and we need to put one of Garner, Jones, Shaw or Tuanzabee into midfield to play alongside Fred.Awful in central midfield
He can cross the ball very well as we saw today, but he's still not good at it in my eyes since he hits 9 bad crosses for every good one. He's got the United syndrome where he hits it right to the feet of the defender at the first post, and then once every now and then it actually goes where he wants it.Jose knew that this guy wasn't United quality. He's got a great cross on him, takes a decent set piece but there's just not enough there to recommend him for any particular role. Jack of all trades, master of none.