Bummer!2023.
Bummer!2023.
Why?One of these players we need to cut our losses on and let go on free.
Can't be true. As I said in the post before, what does he do now? Is he on vacation? United would surely sell him for that fee!Globo (Brazilian newspaper) says Flamengo have offered €8m to sign him.
EDIT: ESPN Brazil saying the bid was £8.35m (€10m), and was rejected.
"The report claims that the Red Devils don’t even consider that offer to be close to what they want"
Sure it can be true. We did the same thing with Lingard.Can't be true. As I said in the post before, what does he do now? Is he on vacation? United would surely sell him for that fee!
I agree with both of y'all about selling. We should take the deal, esp. if €10m was offered.We are never getting more than 8m.
He's never going to play if he comes back and we'd end up just loaning him back out.
We spent years chasing fantasy prices for Darmian. I can see us rejecting the bid. Nothing about the past nine years makes you think we'd see sense and get shot. We always hold out thinking someone else will come in for more.Can't be true. As I said in the post before, what does he do now? Is he on vacation? United would surely sell him for that fee!
This all has to do with accounting. Players are counted as assets on our books.We spent years chasing fantasy prices for Darmian. I can see us rejecting the bid. Nothing about the past nine years makes you think we'd see sense and get shot. We always hold out thinking someone else will come in for more.
Will the markets react to us getting rid of a player who's contract is ending next year? The cost of his contract has been accounted for. It's value was at its height in its first year. Now..? Whatever accounting value there is in Andreas could be easily offset by boosting someone else's wages.This all has to do with accounting. Players are counted as assets on our books.
For example, we sign Player X for £50m on a 5 year contract. For simplicity sake, let's assume that the club desides to amortize the cost equally among the length of the contract. So, each year Player X counts as £10m in our assets column.
If we loan the player out, these £10m need to be taken out. Of course, we will get the agreed part of his wages off our books and if we get a fee, that will also be added to our assets as money, but unless the total deal is equal or greater to Player X's accounting value as asset for the club, there is a big risk that such a loan transfer will end up being accounting loss.
And I don't need to tell you how losses are treated by shareholders and financial markets...
This is a weird one because I believe its illegal to have this kind of shared ownership in the UK.Tweet
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In Christinaa's excellent Press Gossip thread, there's a link to an article about it. Unfortunately I can't post links, but would be good news if it's a reliable source.This is a weird one because I believe its illegal to have this kind of shared ownership in the UK.
I think, in practice, what this means is Flamengo has agreed to buy Andreas for a fee of €10.5m euros. The spin is that this is equivalent to only 75 per cent of what United value him at and, in time, with clauses etc., United might get up to €14m euros for Andreas. However, the reality is the money bankable is €10.5m euros. Which, in my opinion, is still a surprisingly good fee.
Probably a 25% sell on clause for United.This is a weird one because I believe its illegal to have this kind of shared ownership in the UK.
I think, in practice, what this means is Flamengo has agreed to buy Andreas for a fee of €10.5m euros. The spin is that this is equivalent to only 75 per cent of what United value him at and, in time, with clauses etc., United might get up to €14m euros for Andreas. However, the reality is the money bankable is €10.5m euros. Which, in my opinion, is still a surprisingly good fee.
I can see that. It'll be some kinda slight of hand or whatever.Probably a 25% sell on clause for United.
Most of the time when transfer fees are reported this way in South America, it means the selling club retain the income of a future sale.This is a weird one because I believe its illegal to have this kind of shared ownership in the UK.
I think, in practice, what this means is Flamengo has agreed to buy Andreas for a fee of €10.5m euros. The spin is that this is equivalent to only 75 per cent of what United value him at and, in time, with clauses etc., United might get up to €14m euros for Andreas. However, the reality is the money bankable is €10.5m euros. Which, in my opinion, is still a surprisingly good fee.
In fairness he has another year and a bit to run on his contractI thought that he was in similar situation with Lingard. Too high salary and running down the contract for sign on bonus with their next club.
And now someone actually willing to pay us 10 mil transfer fees. Get this done before Flamengo change their mind.
What a shitty postI thought that he was in similar situation with Lingard. Too high salary and running down the contract for sign on bonus with their next club.
And now someone actually willing to pay us 10 mil transfer fees. Get this done before Flamengo change their mind.
Tbh, I agree with you to an extent, but Flamengo can afford him, even if the price is steeper than they would've wanted. Also, they had agreed to a much higher price for the option to buy, and that should make it more difficult for them to bring the price down.Weird that we're holding clubs in Brazil to ransom for a transfer fee they most likely can't afford, for a player that isn't good enough for the PL. Just do everyone a favour and sell him for £5m as long as they give us first refusal on the next wonderkid coming out of their academy.
They obviously disagree with you and think they'll get the performances and any transfer fees back in the future.Weird that we're holding clubs in Brazil to ransom for a transfer fee they most likely can't afford, for a player that isn't good enough for the PL. Just do everyone a favour and sell him for £5m as long as they give us first refusal on the next wonderkid coming out of their academy.
I mean we are critical with club when it comes to selling players, the likes of Rojo & Darmian didn't fetch the club any fees.I've given up on people understanding how negotiations work. I bet the same people were moaning about Martial not giving up half his salary at the start of the window.
I'm guessing Mark Goldshite is constantly criticizing the club when they don't get a deal done immediately? He's like Fox News. Poison for the brain.
I've honestly no problem with the club letting players who aren't good enough go for next to nothing, regardless of how much they cost or how long they have left on their deals. We're not a selling club anyway so we shouldn't be priding ourselves on getting a 'good fee' for players that aren't good enough to win trophies.I've given up on people understanding how negotiations work. I bet the same people were moaning about Martial not giving up half his salary at the start of the window.
I'm guessing Mark Goldshite is constantly criticizing the club when they don't get a deal done immediately? He's like Fox News. Poison for the brain.
I disagree, we could have gotten way better fees for a lot of players by selling them a year earlier instead of letting them rot on the bench for a half or full season.I've honestly no problem with the club letting players who aren't good enough go for next to nothing, regardless of how much they cost or how long they have left on their deals. We're not a selling club anyway so we shouldn't be priding ourselves on getting a 'good fee' for players that aren't good enough to win trophies.
If anything, keeping these players on the books stops us from buying new players. It's like anything else, that pair of jeans you've still got, despite having a hole in them. Ah they're still good for painting in right? Or maybe for lounging around at home in. You'll make do with what you have until you're forced to buy a new pair, and it's the same attitude with these players "Ah they can still play in the League cup/Europa league, we'll make do". Just clear out instead.
Club | Incomings | Sales | Net |
---|---|---|---|
Manchester United | 1.545 | 470 | -1.075 |
Manchester City | 1.699 | 715 | -984 |
Paris Saint-Germain | 1.445 | 504 | -941 |
Barcelona | 1.630 | 980 | -650 |
Arsenal | 1.029 | 446 | -583 |
Juventus | 1.542 | 981 | -561 |
AC Milan | 884 | 452 | -432 |
Everton | 911 | 482 | -429 |
Aston Villa | 701 | 277 | -424 |
Chelsea | 1.614 | 1.201 | -413 |
I strongly disagree with this, what kind of maniac lounges around the house in jeans???I've honestly no problem with the club letting players who aren't good enough go for next to nothing, regardless of how much they cost or how long they have left on their deals. We're not a selling club anyway so we shouldn't be priding ourselves on getting a 'good fee' for players that aren't good enough to win trophies.
If anything, keeping these players on the books stops us from buying new players. It's like anything else, that pair of jeans you've still got, despite having a hole in them. Ah they're still good for painting in right? Or maybe for lounging around at home in. You'll make do with what you have until you're forced to buy a new pair, and it's the same attitude with these players "Ah they can still play in the League cup/Europa league, we'll make do". Just clear out instead.
And that's what I'm saying also. Stop handing out stupid contracts, clear players out quicker and take whatever value we can get for them at the time, instead of loaning them out or benching them for years, which stops us from replacing them.I disagree, we could have gotten way better fees for a lot of players by selling them a year earlier instead of letting them rot on the bench for a half or full season.
I mean, Lingard is a great example. He's going for free and contributing next to nothing because our visionless manager wanted to keep instead of cashing 20-25 million.
Herrera was let go on a free as well. Could Martial have gotten an actual fee in the summer? Who knows. If Donny has no future he should've been going on loan in the summer to raise his value asap, etc, etc. Pogba leaving for free is is bizarre as well.
The big reason why we're the highest net spend in the last decade is because we don't sell properly, exceptions like Dan James aside.
I agree that letting go instead of handing out a new contract is better some times, but why put yourself in that position in the first place?
Let's not pretend like the Glazers hand the club unlimited transfer funds. If we'd sold better we'd have more money to spend.
Club Incomings Sales Net Manchester United 1.545 470 -1.075 Manchester City 1.699 715 -984 Paris Saint-Germain 1.445 504 -941 Barcelona 1.630 980 -650 Arsenal 1.029 446 -583 Juventus 1.542 981 -561 AC Milan 884 452 -432 Everton 911 482 -429 Aston Villa 701 277 -424 Chelsea 1.614 1.201 -413