Andrey Santos | Signs for United
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I don't get you?
Agree with this totally. It’s a big opportunity to get a really good player with real potential for a reasonable price. He was rated as a top prospect in Brazil and performed really well at Strasbourg. There is real potential there to be a top player.
The same people ranting and raving in the Sancho and Rashford threads are the same people demanding the club offer massive contracts and pay massive fees for the likes of Scott, Fernandes or Tonali.
They would then be in those players threads in 3 years time complaining about the club being reckless with contracts they give out.
This would be a great signing and he will be worth double what we pay in a few years time. I really like him and it is the type of exciting signing that I want the club making.
Anderson and Fernandes fit both those descriptions coincidentally. Maybe Bruno G?
Tchoumeni less so, but you cant really say no if you can get him.
I don't hate us going for Santos if the fee is relatively low but don't let this turn into another Mount. Santos also shouldn't be our Casemiro replacement, he should be the mid-level midfield recruitment ahead of Ederson but behind the big signing (hopefully Tchoumeni).
Even if slashes would have been better than hypens, I think it should be pretty clear to anyone that Bruno is starting here next season and I meant those 3 covering the 2 CM spots.
Who will pass the ball forward?
Isnt Santos pretty good at this?
There was that interview where he sort of talked in circles about CMs at United having to do everything and be all-arounders.
I wonder if that's how he perceived himself and Scholes? Personally, though, I would say it was more like a very, very good passing DM and an genius of a #8 or #10 who sits deep in a double pivot and you live with the lack of height and wild tackles and hope he develops defensive awareness over the years.
Like the closest we could get this summer would be something like we overpay (wages and fee) to get Tchouameni to be our Carrick, and we buy a young, technically very strong midfielder even if they are #10s right now and stick them deeper and hope one is our Scholes. Probably less expensive. Just as an example, I can't say I've seen the player enough to have a strong opinion, doing something like giving Milan back their 40M euros for Jashari, who sorta flopped there, but seemed like he that kind of potential the season before in Belgium. People like Kees Smit too. Can be eased into things by starting 10-15 games this year behind Mainoo, with Tchouameni as a Carrick type and Ederson as a runner sort of Fletcher type option.
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Might get hate for this, but M.Fernandes reminded me of Scholes with his tenacity and range of passing. Obviously levels below, but style of play wise.
I've not seen Santos play tbh, but he's been described as a defensively solid #6 with good forward passing. Sounds like budget Carrick to me.
Is he desperate to join United? I dont see red hair or a United tattoo..
That's the minimum we need before we put in a bid apparently.
That's the minimum we need before we put in a bid apparently.
You need to go to newcastle history 23/24 and then go down to look at the bottom and click on the squad list tab
This will then show you the rating of each player in each position just from starts, not diluted by sub appearances where they might only get a few mins
These are the results. So when he actually got picked he performed very well, it just wasnt very often he was picked. But thats enough for a team to see potential and spend quite a lot of money hoping they'll do it on a weekly basis
Have a feeling Santos will be the young up and coming midfielder signing with Tchouameni purchased as the expensive and more established player. The latter might explain why the club never seriously engaged Newcastle for Tonali.
Carrick was pretty big. Helpful at DM.
I agree with Fernandes, but my guess is to get someone even at 90% of Scholes level on the ball we're gonna need to convert a 10, as happened with Scholes or Kroos. If you're that good on the ball, you're probably a 10 as a youngster at youth levels and then when you do start playing top level it's often as a 10 (or out wide) because of a lack of experience defensively and their coaches want them to create, so give them freer roles.
He's a different player, but I've been watching Manzambi run riot for the Swiss as a 10, unsure if that will translate to being an all-around CM when played deeper whose size aids him defensively or he needs the freedom to truly impact a game.
Baturina was brilliant in the game I attended, playing as a sort of wider #10. I'd be intrigued by him as an option of the sort I'm talking about, but Como just signed him for 5 years and they're rich, so we're talking a giant fee I assume.
Gives me Ramires vibes. He was a fine player for Chelsea though
I hope he brings the immunity to bookings Ramires had
Thought tchouameni wasn’t for sale anymore?if ever. Think the top player thing is another ripping yarn. We’ve already backed out of a couple of marquee signings.Tchouchy will be outside our parameters, conveniently.
Our midfield could easily be an inexperienced Mainoo, an unproven(in prem) Ederson and prospect Santos. In our biggest season for a while.
In fairness they sold most of his best players without replacing them adequately
In reality Forest signed Anderson for a lot less than that. Forest paid 35m for him, but part of the deal was reserve forest keeper Vlachodimos going in the other direction for 20m, where he played 45 mins of EFL Cup football in a whole season, and then spent last season out on loan. It was book cooking. In reality Vlachodimos was worth about 3-5m at most, meaning the true Anderson fee is about half the stated number.
Are you under the impression that none of Tchouameni hypothetically, Ederson or Mainoo can pass the ball forward ? Or Martinez, De Ligt or Maguire ? Or Dalot and Shaw ? We’re not a prime Scholes or Modric away from winning the league and are crying out for stability in midfield so signings like Tchouameni, Ederson and Santos are all solid if unspectacular.
That's the thing, we will struggle to compete with how hampered we are. The ownership has destroyed us and anyone who thinks we are going to be a top side again anytime soon under this ownership is delusional
Klopp got relegated as manager of Mainz in 2007.
One of Santos’ strengths, is his ability to move the ball forward quickly. I’d say if United are targeting him, that’s one of the reasons why.
Having got them promoted at kept them up for a few years though.
I don't understand what point you are trying to make?
If Carrick had got Middlesbrough promoted and kept them in the Premier League for a few years you'd have a point.
How many games do we struggle to break a low block down, it's fine playing simple balls forward but as we progress we need more technical passing ability in the team. You can't just rely on Bruno spamming creativity, yeah he's great at it but it's easier to mark out of a game.
Think I'd prefer Santos to Tchouameni as the fee would be more justifiable. We can try for a solid midfield and add later but at some point we will need someone with actual progressive passing ability.
But he still got relegated, he was in the league for a few years surely he could have consolidated them? You are picking and choosing what is good and what is not.
If you have a player who is great at mopping up the ball and regaining position, that also has an impact on how creative we can be as our attacks become sustainable.
Klopp dominated the league with Milner and Henderson for large parts
I actually agree with all of this. I just don't think Santos is good. He's bang average.
Ahh yes, winning the grand total of 1 league title surely is dominating.
Are you telling me they didn't dominate when they won it?
Don't disagree but I do think it has a limit. You can absolutely win the title with a workhorse midfield but it's much rarer and you need to balance it elsewhere. Our issue is we currently have one creative player.
He was in the league for 9 years and won it once, that is not dominating.
Because they had fullbacks chipping in with over 10 assists each. Basically all their creativity was wide. Even then just looking and Henderson had 5 PL assists, Mainoo has never surpassed 2.
How old is Mainoo? How many full seasons has he had?
Sorry what, have we entered a quiz suddenly?
So, how good is this guy really?
He's decent with good potential, would be a very good squad addition. Not the main mf signing though, we need better for that
If they don't then no bother. It's not as if he's a player we can't live without. Depends how badly you need money I guess.
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