Andy Burnham - Next Labour Leader?

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Just romped home in Manchester to retain his Mayorship with 2/3 of the vote.

I really like the cut of his jib. Straight talking, not afraid to go head to head with the Tories, fights for his constituents interests and importantly he comes from the north rather than London. I’d love to see him take over from Starmer and would be a good foil for Rayner to stay on as deputy.

Seems to be growing talk around him running for the position, could he regain the trust of the North and hold London?
 

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He has gone on record a few times saying he does not want to go back to Westminster... wouldn't be the first politician to backtrack on a statement but I think he would probably need to stand down as mayor... get elected as an mp to be a realistic contender like with David milliband

Think he's the bookies favourite at the moment but without him being at Westminster I'm not sure it is realistic
 

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A six year old decision not to break the whip and abstain on Second Reading in the Commons is not the best barometer for who can be the next leader and set a vision for the 2030s
 

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Is that a no then?
Tbf most Labour politicians wouldn't get my vote.

But Starmer is now the second centre ''left'' labour leader to take a turn to the right and to offer basically nothing and while I dislike him I don't think he is a complete moron(Ok maybe a little bit). There are reasons why he has been this awful, the PLP is still quite right wing and along with the right wing section section of the labour party any leader who doesn't have some grassroots support or at this stage a insane moral commitment to socialism(In Corbyn case he had a bit of both)they will get pushed to the right.

Then add in Burnham politics which have for most of his career been pretty shite(If Burnham got his way in 2016 we wouldn't have got the very basic social democratic platform in 2017 and 2019), I'm not sure why he would do any better than Ed Miliband or Starmer. Tbh Burnham is basically Starmer but with a worse voting record and a northern accent although I see why people like him(He's been very good with the pandemic plus the recent northern ''nationalism'' thing in England).
 
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Burnham has actually improved immeasurably since the last time he ran for leadership. Far more confident and mature now. He has become an excellent politician and I believe he would go down well in exactly the sort of constituencies that Labour have been losing.

You’ll still get a few who bring up things from years ago or call him Blairite scum and the Labour right are unlikely to be keen... but he’d actually unify the party better than most.
 

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Only a very narrow anecdotal example but my mum pretty much loathes Labour but she has voted both times for Burnham in the mayoral elections. It's the only time she's voted Labour in any election. Worth noting that Manchester is probably the Labour heartland, however.

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Burnham is considered centrist so you won't get any love from the further left on him.
 

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I always thought he had a bit of that 'man of the people' vibe going for him. He's definitely a lot more relatable than Sir Keir.
 

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Burnham is considered centrist so you won't get any love from the further left on him.
I actually think he’s more left wing than his early track record would suggest when he used to pander to the right wing of the party...

Since he has unshackled himself from the chains of Westminster, he’s been much more principled. I recall him tweeting a dig a little while ago after the Labour leaks about how the influential people in the party considered him too left wing for them.
 

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He’s probably Labour’s best bet at the moment. I suspect those against him don’t really understand the North South divide in England. Starmer is neutral (not offensive but not necessarily one of us),, Corbyn (southern privileged leftie thicko) was toxic while Burnham might be able to connect. Still, it’s going to be one hell of an uphill struggle.
 

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Pathetic candidate with carefully crafted but very transparent act as a 'man of the people'. Strikes me as being very aware of the cameras. Has no real benefit over Starmer.. similarly wishy washy with added David Brent. Corbyn would probably be more popular than him.
 

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Andy Burnham goes with the wind. He'd probably be an OK leader in terms of the electorate but he's a shithouse.
 

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People wouldn’t have considered him prior to the pandemic. Starmer won’t go until after the next GE.
 

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I think he'll take over from Starmer after Tories extend their majority in the next GE
 

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I think he'll take over from Starmer after Tories extend their majority in the next GE
He has said that he is very happy with the Greater Manchester Mayor. And the people seem similarly happy with him.
He has a lot of good credentials and can bring a lot of voter good will to Labour.
 

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Just romped home in Manchester to retain his Mayorship with 2/3 of the vote.

I really like the cut of his jib. Straight talking, not afraid to go head to head with the Tories, fights for his constituents interests and importantly he comes from the north rather than London. I’d love to see him take over from Starmer and would be a good foil for Rayner to stay on as deputy.

Seems to be growing talk around him running for the position, could he regain the trust of the North and hold London?
Progressive and amibitious for Manchester. At last we have someone who could make a difference.
 

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Kate Hoey said Burnham as leader would convince her to vote Labour.

That's the kiss of death right there.
I'd have said the same thing 6 months ago but now maybe it's not. Although I'm not sure how Labour would simultaneously placate people like Hoey and the majority of the current membership. Burnham could be the answer.
 

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Andy Burnham always knows which side his bread is buttered, which in my book is not a bad trait for a politician.
I should have imagined he has learned from the last time that timing is everything and would imagine he will wait in the wings doing 'mayoral things' until the party planners (do they have any?) call him forward for his Labour Leader coronation.
Rayner or possibly Nandy as his 'dream-team' partner? Will the red wall be unable to resist such a combo and flock back in their thousands?
 

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Andy Burnham always knows which side his bread is buttered, which in my book is not a bad trait for a politician.
I should have imagined he has learned from the last time that timing is everything and would imagine he will wait in the wings doing 'mayoral things' until the party planners (do they have any?) call him forward for his Labour Leader coronation.
Rayner or possibly Nandy as his 'dream-team' partner? Will the red wall be unable to resist such a combo and flock back in their thousands?
From a practical perspective its going to be very strange if the leader of the labour party is not an MP... eg somebody deputising at every PMQ's... I think if they are non westminister based its also going to be very difficult to get media oxygen as for practical reasons almost all political media is based in / around westminister

To have a real chance i think he needs to stand as an MP (and given what hes said about being happier outside of westminister hes eother got no interest in that or a lot of walking back statements to do) ... which I think would also mean he has to step down as Mayor?

i think thats what will go against him in practical terms and of course if he won the leadership election as Mayor there could always be an MP in a very safe labour seat who stepped down to trigger a by election for him to win... but I think that would probably be a pretty bad look as well.

I half expect a challange to come this summer ... Im hoping its from Burgon because its been a horrible year and we could all do with a laugh
 

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From a practical perspective its going to be very strange if the leader of the labour party is not an MP... eg somebody deputising at every PMQ's... I think if they are non westminister based its also going to be very difficult to get media oxygen as for practical reasons almost all political media is based in / around westminister

To have a real chance i think he needs to stand as an MP (and given what hes said about being happier outside of westminister hes eother got no interest in that or a lot of walking back statements to do) ... which I think would also mean he has to step down as Mayor?

i think thats what will go against him in practical terms and of course if he won the leadership election as Mayor there could always be an MP in a very safe labour seat who stepped down to trigger a by election for him to win... but I think that would probably be a pretty bad look as well.

I half expect a challange to come this summer ... Im hoping its from Burgon because its been a horrible year and we could all do with a laugh
Yes, I would agree Andy Burnham would have to get back into Westminster to lead Labour, that is almost a 'given'; however at the moment he is playing the long game, because his astuteness means he knows full well Labour is going no where just at present, especially in its old heartlands in the Red Wall etc.
Andy is probably resigned to playing the long game, so he needs some big wins as Manchester's Mayor first. He tried having a face -to-face with Boris over Covid issues and related spending, but lost out (NW region) to the Liverpool Labour Mayor, money-wise and in lifting restrictions. It now looks like his next big push will be to extend the tram service to parts of the Manchester area currently not best served. If he succeeds then you can expect to see his run up to Labour leadership begin. It will still be a 'slow slow, quick, quick slow' run -up (rather like Bruno takes penalties) and will depend on how badly Starmer really is doing when the dust of Covid dies away.

My view is Labour is currently in the wrong place, (as a unified party) at the wrong time (Pandemic era) with the wrong people, a leader who is maybe clever, but too clever for his own good and who has no charisma. Andy has plenty of time to prepare and there really is no rush!

In the meantime he will bask in the glory of retaining the Manchester Mayor position, from which unless he is total 'feck-up', nothing can harm him only good things shall flow.
 

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I had 15 minutes on Zoom with Andy Burnham yesterday, as I've been interviewing loads of people for an upcoming work thing. He seemed a personable enough guy, said some good stuff, but was so thrown by a fairly softball question that I'd be worried for him during PMQs, whichever side of the aisle he's on.
 

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It’s been obvious that was the case, he’s been working overtime to get his face on national TV. I like what I’ve seen of him, magnitudes better than Starmer.
 

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It’s been obvious that was the case, he’s been working overtime to get his face on national TV. I like what I’ve seen of him, magnitudes better than Starmer.
No doubt, I think he's the best candidate by far, even if I don't agree with him entirely politically. He's got a real man of the people vibe about him and didn't try and feck over Corbyn, which are 2 big ticks for me.
so, Keir Starmer has been written off
I fecking well hope so. He's not only shit, he's dangerous to the Labour party as a whole with his tame right wing populism. Bringing back Mandelson is particularly disgusting.
 

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Those championing Burnham as a next 'leader' have short memories when it comes to the mid-Staffs scandal when he was health secretary.
 

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Those championing Burnham as a next 'leader' have short memories when it comes to the mid-Staffs scandal when he was health secretary.
Exactly, I think that (and one or two other previous 'stances') will come back to haunt him once his head(officially) goes 'above the parapet', but he is a 'smart cookie' alright and will play to the biggest gallery.
 

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Thornberry would be better but Burnham would be a lot better than the other shambling mounds of shite who seem to inhabit the Labour front benches these days. Even the principled ones that I like just come across as a bit useless / back bench fodder. Nandy is the fecking wurst.