Angel Gomes — Is he the key player to unlock organized defenses?

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Lingard & Mata have had enough chances in the last months for Solskjaer and both were totally awful.

No one can say that Gomes will be much much much better or equally awful BUT he deserves NOW his chances against Leicester and Astana.
 

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How many goals/assists does Gomes have for the United first team in people's FIFA/FM seasons?
He was rated 90 in my FIFA 18 career. Had pace, agility, passing, finishing, and was with Utd for like 10 seasons. Hopefully they were right!
 

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If you play angel you have to play ball players like Fred, mata next to him as he thrives on the give n go . I would absolutely play him.
 

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Of course play him. It is not that we risk getting shitty results, do we?
 

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The idea that he’s not been developed properly is total nonsense! How many 19 year olds are regularly getting first team minutes in the 8 or 10 positions in the Premier League?
Foden, Skipp, and Morgan Gibbs White. Although it wasn't for the PL, Curtis Jones has more first team minutes than Angel Gomes.

If we were just speaking of 19 year olds playing than you could name Sessegnon, Aarons, Hudson Odoi, and Sancho.

He’s only impressed in glimpses from what I’ve seen of him. Watching his highlights I honestly don’t see anything special there. Doesn’t seem like he’s much of goal threat, and his passing looks reasonable but nothing too promising. Ordinary vision and of course physically he looks disadvantaged. And this is him playing at youth level mind you. Januzaj and Pereira were running that show in their time - look at how they fared cast in the academy saviour role.

That being said, if we can’t get Pogba closer to the goal or switch formations, I hope we do play him. Anything is better than staying the course.
Angel dominated at an earlier age for the youth teams, has better technique than Pereira, and has better vision than both Januzaj and Pereira. If you don't think Angel has vision, than I'm seriously questioning whether you've ever watched him play. He probably has the best vision of anyone I've seen in our youth setup.

Januzaj had vision, but think Angel's weight of pass for that final pass was better. Januzaj was better at holding play up, which is why he excelled as a 9 for us when he was playing alongside Lingard. Januzaj had better ball control whenever the ball came down. On the ground they're pretty even. Januzaj went up a level in regards to going past players after he went on tour with United, so that is something he had that Gomes likely won't have.

The only thing Pereira has over Gomes is probably energy to get stuck in, and set pieces when passing. Gomes is equally as good as Pereira in regards to scoring free kicks though.
 

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He's 5'3". Just turned 19, never played 90m for first team.

We could give him a regular chance off the bench for half an hour or so and see how he does, but I doubt he's ready for the step up physically. I mean, he's 10cm shorter than Mata, and will never win any physical battle.
 

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He's 5'3". Just turned 19, never played 90m for first team.

We could give him a regular chance off the bench for half an hour or so and see how he does, but I doubt he's ready for the step up physically. I mean, he's 10cm shorter than Mata, and will never win any physical battle.
He's 5'5"-5'6". There isn't much difference between he and Daniel James. I think he handles physicality great. He wins fouls a lot when he does fall, and he's handled men well in the few times he's gone up against them. Granted it's a short sample size, but there is no evidence that he's going to crack against men in regards to physicality. Also his technique is really good so he manages to secure possession when others might fail with the same physical pressure on his back.
 

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Honestly nobody has any idea how he would be for the first team, but what we know is Lingard and Mata are not good enough. Well, Lingard is not good enough and Mata’s legs are gone.

The midfield should be McT, Pogba and Fred, with Pogba being the most advanced. He links well with Martial, and sometimes with Rashford.
 

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I think he can be. He's the most talented nr. 10 we have and at such a young age he already has great vision for a pass and his technical ability is probably only comparable to Pogba. He will impress when given the chance.
 

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He's 5'5"-5'6". There isn't much difference between he and Daniel James. I think he handles physicality great. He wins fouls a lot when he does fall, and he's handled men well in the few times he's gone up against them. Granted it's a short sample size, but there is no evidence that he's going to crack against men in regards to physicality. Also his technique is really good so he manages to secure possession when others might fail with the same physical pressure on his back.
Yeah, in that EFL cup game he showed he can handle physicality. We know that Lingard is not good enough, Mata is ok at best. So I don't see any problem in trying young player who showed lot of potential.

I think he will get chances anyways, hopefully he makes full use of it.
 

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Honestly nobody has any idea how he would be for the first team, but what we know is Lingard and Mata are not good enough. Well, Lingard is not good enough and Mata’s legs are gone.

The midfield should be McT, Pogba and Fred, with Pogba being the most advanced. He links well with Martial, and sometimes with Rashford.
Yep he’s just potential. People getting a tad ahead of themselves. Lad will get chances and he needs to ensure he’s better than the other options who are currently ahead of him.
For all the current crap Mata is getting, he actually has an on field chemistry with James. We need more of that in our team.
 

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There might be the possibility that the reason we extended Mata contract and not bought a top class nr. 10 is that the club have faith that Gomes will be the man for the job. Everyone from the club speaks very highly of him so i'm sure there is a plan in place.
 

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There might be the possibility that the reason we extended Mata contract and not bought a top class nr. 10 is that the club have faith that Gomes will be the man for the job. Everyone from the club speaks very highly of him so i'm sure there is a plan in place.
So why not play him? You know who Lampard has faith in? Mount.
 

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How old was Giggs when he broke through ?
The difference with Giggs is he was lightening fast and rode tackles very well.

Gomes doesn't have that sort of speed, but he does have fantastic control, movement passing and shooting.

He's the perfect number 10, but we don't know if he's ready for the intensity of the premier league yet. He's clearly too good for the reserves level so many of us feel he needs more first team minutes to start improving.

It's similar to the Pogba situation, he was too talented for the reserves and god bored of it, he really needed the next step up. I hope he doesn't have to leave to get that.
 

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“Don’t play older experienced players they’re past it, play youth”

“Don’t play Gomes and Greenwood, they’re too young and inexperienced”

The caf strikes again.

On my opinion play them both, if they’re good enough they’re old enough. No time like the present to learn on the job.
 

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We are counter attacking team but we are second in possession, slightly behind City. (57.9% vs 57.8%). We have scored 1 counter attacking goal, same as any other team.

Anyways on the most important question, maybe but you never know unless he starts doing that regularly. For now Pogba is the answer to unlock the defense, just have to play him higher up the pitch.
Ole's philosophy is a tad confusing. He talks about counter attacking but wants to keep the ball well.

Bit silly really isn't it. He's out here competing with Guardiola, Klopp and Pochettino who know how they play and set up inside out.

Ole's a fish compared to them yet with no track record of success outside of Norway.

Yet he's in charge of Man Utd and still being trusted to deliver his "philosophy" despite 3 wins in his last 18 games in charge.

Absolutely shocking.
 

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Ole's philosophy is a tad confusing. He talks about counter attacking but wants to keep the ball well.

Bit silly really isn't it. He's out here competing with Guardiola, Klopp and Pochettino who know how they play and set up inside out.

Ole's a fish compared to them yet with no track record of success outside of Norway.

Yet he's in charge of Man Utd and still being trusted to deliver his "philosophy" despite 3 wins in his last 18 games in charge.

Absolutely shocking.
Counter attacking doesn't means he sets up to counter all the time. When we win possession, he wants us to hit them on the break. When we have possession he wants us to build up the game.

It's just people drawing their own conclusions (I'm doing it too) and then blame manager saying how everything is so confusing.
 

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We are a counter attacking team. We play well against superior sides that have possession. We are lightning fast on the break with Rashford and Martial and Pogba is excellent at through balls and vertical passing. Lingard (despite his many deficiencies) excels at quick passing on the break and supporting the counter.

Our problem is when sides sit back in a 4-4-2 or 4-5-1. We don’t have players that can break down defenses in the final third. Mata is our only option, and he just loses 10% of his effectiveness, season after season, and now, unless he’s setting up to take a free kick, you just don’t have much confidence that he’ll create anything.

Angel Gomes, in his limited amount of time on the pitch, has shown he has great ball control, technique and movement in the box. Yes, he’s small, and we probably lose a bit on the defensive side of the ball when he plays - same as Mata, really - but why aren’t we throwing him on in the 70th minute? He’s the only player on the squad that can create in the final third, and if the Palace and Soton games are any indication, 70% of the sides in the PL are just going to sit back against us.

#FreeAngelGomes ???
I agree, Give Gomes more time. Could be our supersub.??
 

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He's 5'3". Just turned 19, never played 90m for first team.

We could give him a regular chance off the bench for half an hour or so and see how he does, but I doubt he's ready for the step up physically. I mean, he's 10cm shorter than Mata, and will never win any physical battle.
I would say that he is stronger than Mata in the tackle. He CAN hold his own against the big boys.
 

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Absolutely, you need speed, creativity and passing to break down defences. So Gomes would be ideal
 
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Yes play Mata/Gomes against teams that sit back, James against teams that attack.

----Martial Rashford------
--------Mata/Gomes-------
--Pogba Fred McTominay--
Shaw Maguire Lindelöf AWB
-------------DDG-----------

-----Martial Rashford-------
James-----------------------
--Pogba Fred McTominay---
Shaw Maguire Lindelöf AWB
------------DDG-------------

I think Ole does intend to give the Academy players more playing time though. He's just waiting for the cups to begin. Let's remember most of the Class of 92 were 20 years or older when they broke through. Gomes and Chong are 19 and they are the oldest ones out of the ones coming through now.
 

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The cafe does love going hard for a totally untried youngster!
I'm not sure if it's a positive thing or a total desperation thing.
 

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Gomes deserves a chance - but you also have to find the right matches to give him the chances in. Leicester at home is perhaps not the match - Crystal Palace at home might have been. But I would definately start him in the League cup and in most Europa League-games.
 

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The cafe does love going hard for a totally untried youngster!
I'm not sure if it's a positive thing or a total desperation thing.
At one point everyone was untried.

Besides Gomes isn't just some schmuck from the academy. He is from the England U17 world cup winners aka probably the most talented players we have ever produced. Foden, Gomes, Hudson-Odoi, and Sancho wouldn't look out of plce playing for any club in the world their ability is that good.
 

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Does Angel Gomes have the potential to be a fantastic United player? Yes.
Is a 19 year old who has played 3 Premier League games the answer to unlocking drilled Premier League defences? No.
 

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He's 5'5"-5'6". There isn't much difference between he and Daniel James. I think he handles physicality great. He wins fouls a lot when he does fall, and he's handled men well in the few times he's gone up against them. Granted it's a short sample size, but there is no evidence that he's going to crack against men in regards to physicality. Also his technique is really good so he manages to secure possession when others might fail with the same physical pressure on his back.
Physicality in football is over-rated and just a Jose'esq philosophy. The best players in the world are hardly bruisers are they. Look at City, all small guys but with incredible control and technique. Look how physical Lukaku was in size, didn't count for sh!te, he couldn't get past or barge off any CB to save his life..
 

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I'm pretty sure that Gomes will get a lot of game time in the Europa League and League Cup and we'll see how he gets on from there. Hopefully his performances will earn him at least a place on the bench for later Premier League games. Failing that at least he'll have some much needed first team game time under his belt. Patience.
 

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I'm pretty sure that Gomes will get a lot of game time in the Europa League and League Cup and we'll see how he gets on from there. Hopefully his performances will earn him at least a place on the bench for later Premier League games. Failing that at least he'll have some much needed first team game time under his belt. Patience.
He hasn't even been on the bench once this season, I hope that changes asap.
 

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He should be on the bench to try. He's the only key left in the draw.
 

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Physicality in football is over-rated and just a Jose'esq philosophy. The best players in the world are hardly bruisers are they. Look at City, all small guys but with incredible control and technique. Look how physical Lukaku was in size, didn't count for sh!te, he couldn't get past or barge off any CB to save his life..
City and Barcelona seem very much an outlier though.
Most top players are blessed physically in one way or another, strength or pace.