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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Which ship did he jump from ?
I wish he got a game first week but its hard to be upset that a youth talent isnt used when we had the youngest lineup of any of the premier league teams last weekend.
I don't think he'll play until Palace at home, unless we're cruising at Wolves which is unlikely.
I was totally joking. I have no idea what he meant by that.
Maybe he’s counting the first time he came to us as jumping ship, to develop in one of the best teams in that era, or when he left to get playing time at Juventus to further his development. In which case, the expression loses it’s meaning.
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It's very early in the season. It sucks the bench has to be so small as we're leaving out internationals like Fred also!
I think Palace could be a great game for him to play, it's just before the Europa league starts too.
Le Harve to United to Juventus to United to......
Angel has been with United for a decade and loves the club. Every single contract he’s signed has had massive speculation. Lad has not uttered one single word about leaving. Where Pogba it’s a regular occurrence.
Give him 20 mins a the end of a game we are comfortable in, against a tough, strong midfield who wont give in just because they're losing. He'll either flourish and prove he's ready or get knocked about a bit and lose his "impatience".
Can he go for free if we don’t renew his contract? I thought players under 20 can’t be free agents, but got it from playing Fifa so not really sure.
We'd be entitled to compensation for development costs. I don't think it's particularly important because I strongly believe that he will be involved heavily this season between all the cups and his talent and ability. I have high hopes that he'll force his way into the first team before the end of the season.
You cannot hold Le Havre against him, he was a minor, his parents decided for him. The only moment that came close to jumping the ship was from United to Juventus and then again it is a massively stupid stretch.
From Juve to United, the italians wanted to sell him because the transfer fee was just too good to refuse. He didn't pout, didn't sulk, didn't go on strike. Clubs came to an agreement is all.
It really feels like rewriting history with Pogba.
No worries. I just don't understand the point of villifying certain players.
Blaming a kid to leave Le Havre to United when his parents made the decision.
Because he can't get a game and top clubs around Europe would be willing to give him that chance.
It’s the truth not a rewritten history. Unless you have conclusive proof they didn’t happen
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I hope he gets playing time and we renew him before december, he seems a real talent and we may very well lose him to a Bundesliga team if he thinks he won't get chances here. With the midfield being so thin he must have oportunities soon.
He's a real talent and hope he stays. Being a short stack myself I have such sympathy for short talented players who just get out-muscled at teenage years and aren't given a chance.
Hopefully he can see what's happening under Ole (supposedly) and he's given the chance to play. He's only about to turn 19 he needs to look at history and how many players at United are starting XI players at that age, but compared to other teams in top leagues are given a damn good chance to prove themselves here
Hopefully he can see what's happening under Ole (supposedly) and he's given the chance to play. He's only about to turn 19 he needs to look at history and how many players at United are starting XI players at that age, but compared to other teams in top leagues are given a damn good chance to prove themselves here
Why do people expect him to have stayed at Le Harve anyway? The top kids of that age are always being snapped up by the big clubs.
The bigger issue is the guy conflating switching clubs with "jumping ship". Changing jobs or clubs is not jumping ship. Jumping ship implies leaving a bad situation to get worse in order to save yourself from it. Juve weren't a sinking ship, and neither were United when Pogba left both, so it really doesn't apply at all.
He will play a good number of games I would imagine, he impressed a lot on tour although did not get as many minutes as the other youngsters, but his performance against rotherham was outstanding, it was "only" rotherham but they are a bunch of physical more experienced players and even though he was getting hacked here and there he kept getting on with it and produced some beautiful attacking midfield play, you can defo see it coming in handy against packed defences, he can operate with great technique in the tightest of pockets and he is so unpredictable to defend against, he seems very motivated and has upped his game a level so I don't think there is any issue with him.
Saying he jumped ship at Le Havre is fiction. Like a kid that age would take that decision by himself. That's blaming a minor, that's crazy for meIt’s the truth not a rewritten history. Unless you have conclusive proof they didn’t happen
I was the same until Sunday, seeing Ole's lineup gave me confidence that he will be willing to play the kids this year.
I have no idea. I am confused
Exactly. You explained it much better than me
He was 16 not 12, and I’m pretty certain he’d have had his say, not forced into it. And yes he jumped ship, just like he did when he went to Juve and now he’s trying to get out of United.
But anyways enough Pogba. Angel isn’t leaving and he’ll get 20 games this season...
16 is still a kid
He only listened to his parents who were managing closely his career. According to you he jumped ship this early, so he should have stayed and maybe miss out on a lifetime opportunity ? Basically you know nothing and just assume things
Surprising that two clubs before le havre isn't mentioned.16 is still a kid
Basically you know nothing and just assume things
A long history of jumping ship, started in kindergarten
Should have done some background check before signing this mercenary.
Seriously though, some of the criticism is just hilarious.
Angel has a better defensive game than Mata, and looks faster.
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So it seems Gomes is pretty much the same size as Dan James, think the "he's too small" factor is now out the window.
If we lose him i’ll be devastated.
Yep, the only thing they have in common is that they are short. Getting somewhat tiresome to see people have doubts in him because of what they don’t like with Mata.
I wonder if we'll ever see him through the middle.
Ole seemed content to play him out wide in pre-season and then obviously he wasn't included against Chelsea.
As for being too small, both Silvas at City and Mata at Chelsea proved the fallacy of small players not making it in the Prem. If Gomes is good enough, he's big enough. Great technique and maneuverability/agility/composure in small spaces would be wonderful additions to our squad.
Ole seemed content to play him out wide in pre-season and then obviously he wasn't included against Chelsea.
As for being too small, both Silvas at City and Mata at Chelsea proved the fallacy of small players not making it in the Prem. If Gomes is good enough, he's big enough. Great technique and maneuverability/agility/composure in small spaces would be wonderful additions to our squad.
Can't wait until his time comes. I can see him quickly becoming a hugely popular player with football supporters in general. Everyone loves a high class midget baller. Zola, Juninho etc
Eventually. That's his best position and he's better than our other options there.
I do fear in the short term Ole will shunt him wide. I think he's still in the process of realising that he can handle senior football.
It's a long season and we have a small squad. Patience from the fans is what is required IMO. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he doesn't make an appearance until the EL group stages, but that's absolutely fine.
The people gnashing their teeth over him not playing the Chelsea game were hysterical.
The people gnashing their teeth over him not playing the Chelsea game were hysterical.
Cant be slower for sure.
What would be a good number of league games for him this season? 5 starts plus sub appearances?
Is that optimistic, or even enough to convince him to commit his future?
Personally, I'd like to see one of the front three/four positions to be always reserved for one of Gomes, Greenwood, James and Chong (except perhaps when we play the top-six). That's about seven games each - maybe less for Chong because I don't think he offers enough at this level yet - plus the cup games.
Is that optimistic, or even enough to convince him to commit his future?
Personally, I'd like to see one of the front three/four positions to be always reserved for one of Gomes, Greenwood, James and Chong (except perhaps when we play the top-six). That's about seven games each - maybe less for Chong because I don't think he offers enough at this level yet - plus the cup games.
5 starts would be very disappointing.
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