We are lucky as fans to have seen so many young players light up our team over the years. I’m old enough to remember Norman Whiteside breaking through as a teenager with amazing impact. So I think our fans are uniquely experienced to know when we have a real youth talent.When you say United is missing out on more than we're bringing in, you realise your numbers are comparing the transfers of United (one club) vs those of all the other clubs in the world?
Statistically one would expect that we'd always be missing out on more than we're bringing in.
Losing Gomes is disappointing though, however, he never really made any impact with the appearances that he did get.
For young players looking for the next logical step in their career? A decently sized (but much smaller than United) successful team with a great playing style, who are more likely to give you a chance to play in a much less pressured environment, and way less press attention is very attractive. How much game time could we really promise most of these players now really? Bar Haaland - who may not even have felt confident himself, was also obviously influenced by his agent, and if you consider it, could have been put off by the fact that we looked a terrible outfit at the time - especially for a striker.Of course that's what it became in the short term, but in the long run he's a player who shouldn't have been allowed to let his contract run down like this. We should have been looking to get him on a reasonable contract 1/2 years ago with incentives to increase base wage depending on development. Again, no certainties he'll make it - and I suspect he ultimately won't reach the levels he could - but we're easily missing out on a potential £10m+ after all we've invested in him to get him to where he is now. Seeing him go for free is just bad business.
Of course you're going to miss out on players, but we're looking like missing out on players we really should be able to attract, and who are in turn choosing destinations that really shouldn't be seen as more attractive that Utd. Missing out on the likes of Bellingham and Haland to Dortmund in the space of a few months isn't a great sign, and will set a precedent to future prospects.
It really is a shame. But then you see Money Mason Greenwood bagging 12 goals in his first season of football (who also seems to have been here since he was 6) and you remember how quality we are with the youth and it’s alright.It's a shame. He was identified as the figurehead of the revamped academy and youngest player to play for the club since Duncan Edwards. The club had big plans for him.
Shame it hasn't worked out for him at United. When a kid has been at the club so long and shown such potential, it's really sad to see it end like this.
I'm sure he'll look back at how much he's grown since he first joined the academy at 6 years old. At least 2 inches . . . . .
Brandon Williams too.He’d get game time next season. We can’t blood all the youngsters at once and Gomes has looked complete garbage in the minutes he’s got. Young players at a big club need to impress in the brief moments they have on the pitch. Gomes didn’t. On what merit should he start ahead of Lingard and Mata, two players who have plenty of experience and know what it’s all about. There’s more to being a professional footballer than having twinkle toes, he’s done nothing. If he’d played better in the moments he got, he’d be playing more. Just like Rashford and Greenwood have done. I just don’t get the complaints here. Almost certainly he’s been offered more money somewhere else and we’re not going to match it (and rightfully so).
Honestly, I think Dortmund get way too over-hyped on here. Yes, they play nice football and blood in young players, but the level of the German league is really poor. Actually, that's not fair. It's not so much the quality level that EPL has over the Bundesliga, but certainly the competitivity levels.For young players looking for the next logical step in their career? A decently sized (but much smaller than United) successful team with a great playing style, who are more likely to give you a chance to play in a much less pressured environment, and way less press attention is very attractive. How much game time could we really promise most of these players now really? Bar Haaland
Question - if you were not a United fan, and you were one of them, at this stage of their career, what would be the sensible choice?
Come to what is still one of the biggest clubs in the world (where we're starting to look stacked in midfield), and risk getting swallowed up in this pressure cooker of expectation and frustration; or go to Dortmund, where you'll get chances, good coaching, patience, and if you did do well, a lot more confidence, more clout to help guarantee a starting spot, choices of where to go, and much better deals available?
I can see both sides of the argument tbh. He only had Periera and Lingard ahead of him, and both are terrible. Gomes did not pull up any trees, but then he was no worse than those two.He’d get game time next season. We can’t blood all the youngsters at once and Gomes has looked complete garbage in the minutes he’s got. Young players at a big club need to impress in the brief moments they have on the pitch. Gomes didn’t. On what merit should he start ahead of Lingard and Mata, two players who have plenty of experience and know what it’s all about. There’s more to being a professional footballer than having twinkle toes, he’s done nothing. If he’d played better in the moments he got, he’d be playing more. Just like Rashford and Greenwood have done. I just don’t get the complaints here. Almost certainly he’s been offered more money somewhere else and we’re not going to match it (and rightfully so).
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Gomes got the lowest minutes in pre-season and was infinitely better than Lingard and Mata. People brought up the issue then and it was obvious that he wasn't fancied.That's not a fair comparison. We gave lots of chances to young players and some have established themselves. Gomes was considered not ready this season and looking at his performances where he did play it makes sense.
I wish him well but i'm disappointed in him.
What should he have done when you see trash players playing ahead of him in the first half of the season? You want him to extend his contract without knowing if he will play or not?His loss. He ought to go to Spain to develop. There's much more space there and less of an emphasis on the physicality of the game (outside of clubs like Atletico, of course).
Well they're not trash players are they? They're players that have been in his shoes, taken their chances and deserve the chance to prove themselves again.What he should have done when you see trash players playing ahead of him in the first half of the season? You want him to extend his contract without knowing if he will play or not?
You know that Juventus offered Brandon Williams silly money to join them at the end of his youth contract? It won't happen unless the player engineer's the move. We have a great youth record, we shouldn't be worried because one player left.This is going to happen more and more, Sancho appears to have opened the flood gates. At least it shows some ambition, which is fair enough.
Well, yeah. That's what unknown teenagers do.What should he have done when you see trash players playing ahead of him in the first half of the season? You want him to extend his contract without knowing if he will play or not?
Gomes didn't play and didn't get any good chance to prove his worth, so this comparison is nonsense. How can you not trust him when you don't even give him good chances first to see if you can trust him or not ?Well they're not trash players are they? They're players that have been in his shoes, taken their chances and deserve the chance to prove themselves again.
Yes, Lingard and Pereria are rubbish but they still broke through from the youth team and played first team football, relatively well. They're also full internationals. What has Gomes done? Scored some goals at youth level? He's been distinctly average in the first team games he's played.
Whether he likes it or not, those players are before him in the pecking order until Ole moves them on because he can't trust them anymore, which looks like it will happen this summer. He could have just signed a one year extension and find himself in the first team squad this summer and moving forward. His loss if you ask me, what team is going to offer him first team football in the PL? He's going to have to go abroad to play.
Gomes has played first team matches and not looked anywhere near standout when playing, in fact, if anything, he's looked naive.Gomes didn't play and didn't get any good chance to prove his worth, so this comparison is nonsense. How can you not trust him when you don't even give him good chances first to see if you can trust him or not ?
He did nothing wrong in there. He can't stay while not playing and not getting any chances. Better for him to leave and seek his chances in another club instead of staying in reserves here. Anyone in clear mind will do this easily. He's not losing anything because he didn't get anything here to lose by leaving. Extending contract while you're not playing and not getting any chances when injuries to key players happen would have been a terrible decision from his perspective.
Each time he came in he was pretty average.Was inevitable, not trusted it seems and when rubbish like Lingard and Mata get chances over you I would do the same.
Bingo. Cheers for answering for me. Players can't expect to be given anything, and with the ease of movement around leagues that players have these days, it's hardly surprising that he was willing to wind his contract down and jump ship.Well they're not trash players are they? They're players that have been in his shoes, taken their chances and deserve the chance to prove themselves again.
Yes, Lingard and Pereria are rubbish but they still broke through from the youth team and played first team football, relatively well. They're also full internationals. What has Gomes done? Scored some goals at youth level? He's been distinctly average in the first team games he's played.
Whether he likes it or not, those players are before him in the pecking order until Ole moves them on because he can't trust them anymore, which looks like it will happen this summer. He could have just signed a one year extension and find himself in the first team squad this summer and moving forward. His loss if you ask me, what team is going to offer him first team football in the PL? He's going to have to go abroad to play.
Gomes has played first team matches and not looked anywhere near standout when playing, in fact, if anything, he's looked naive.
If he was good enough he'd get chances. If he was good enough he would have got the contract he wanted. If he was good enough he would have been in the first team all season, just as Williams, Greenwood, McTomminay and Rashford are. Chong has even done enough to get more games than him! There's a point where the people who see him every day know what they're talking about and the people who buy him on Football Manager don't.
There's either a huge conspiracy to keep Gomes out of the first team at the detriment of Manchester United football club, or he simply hasn't been up to scratch.
He got offered a very good contract for where he's at, United have always been good to their youth players regardless of where they're at. He would have got more games next season but if he doesn't want that then good luck to him and wherever he decides to go next season.
Did we not offer 25k a week plus bonuses? That amounts to 1.3M quid a year.Each time he came in he was pretty average.
Also he wanted more than 500K a year as an 18 year old.
isn't this what was said about Pogba. He must not be impressive in the reserve games, he must not be impressing in training. he can't get games with a weak midfield. How many games did we have to suffer through Pereira, Mata, Lingard being useless from the start of the season up until Bruno arrived. Ole had plenty of opportunities to get him into the squad to see if he could make an impact but didn't. Time will tell if he made the right call.Tbf if you can’t push your way into the team ahead of an awful lingard , pereira and mata then he can’t be impressive in training
Funny you say that when they both started against Astana and Lingard scored while he looked like a boy amongst men.isn't this what was said about Pogba. He must not be impressive in the reserve games, he must not be impressing in training. he can't get games with a weak midfield. How many games did we have to suffer through Pereira, Mata, Lingard being useless from the start of the season up until Bruno arrived. Ole had plenty of opportunities to get him into the squad to see if he could make an impact but didn't. Time will tell if he made the right call.
Unless he goes to Chelsea, who will probably loan him out for a few years then flog him for a decent fee if he does establish himself.This is going to happen more and more, Sancho appears to have opened the flood gates. At least it shows some ambition, which is fair enough.
