Angelo Stiller | Journos : Player is staying at Stuttgart

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never heard of him or seen him play.....but looks tidy on the ball and two cracking finishes around the 1:00 mark of the video

 
Really good player. Him or Wharton next to a Baleba-type player should be how we look to build our future midfield. Even right now he could come in and give us a bit more control and steadiness in the middle. Won't be cheap though, especially this late. Madrid apparently wanted him all summer and were quoted 50m+.
Yeah he would offer control, however who do you pair with him who can offer the tackling and ball progression
 
Completely different profile to Baleba. Do we have an idea of the profile we want or are we just picking out midfielders at random?
I think long term, it would be good to have a pairing of legs (Baleba) and a DLP. I think Bruno may be gone next summer so we need two centre mids over the next two seasons (this and next summer)
 
Completely different profile to Baleba. Do we have an idea of the profile we want or are we just picking out midfielders at random?

A more charitable framing would be that we understand our recruitment strategy is supposed to be based on needs across multiple season rather than just the upcoming season, and that we will have to sign more than one midfielder of more than one profile over the coming transfer windows.

In which case having to delay acquiring a preferred target of one profile until next summer still allows you to acquire a different profile this summer.

Or, there could be nothing in this story.
 
Completely different profile to Baleba. Do we have an idea of the profile we want or are we just picking out midfielders at random?

we need more than one midfielder Bruno isn’t the right fit there
 
He is great and I fully expect him, to become one of the best central midfielders of his generation.
 
People being very offended by a 16 year old girl being bullied because of acne but it's super okay to make fun of this lad.
 
Definitely see the Kroos comparisons here.
he does look to play very similar with his ability with the ball at his feet and the simplicity with how quickly he moves the ball...cracking shot with his left

would like to see how he defends and his mobility defensively
 
People being very offended by a 16 year old girl being bullied because of acne but it's super okay to make fun of this lad.
not to take this off the rails...but anyone picking on a 16 yr old girl, let alone bc of acne, needs to have their face punched in
 
Never heard of him but I've concluded that he's exactly what we need and insist that we pay many tens of millions of pounds for him.
 
Not sure he’s what we need to prioritize.

For this type of player I’d rather buy the version of him that’s Prem tested (Mac Allister) and only after I’ve secured my more traditional DM (Rice before Zubimendi, Rodri before Reijnders, Gravenberch before Mac Allister, Caicedo before Enzo).

PS I know the teams referenced did not necessarily sign the players in that order but the point stands. We should prioritize a more physically imposing DM with legs, mobility and a good technical floor.
 
I wonder if him and Wharton could pair? Maybe too similar but potentially an incredible duo
 
Never heard of him but I've concluded that he's exactly what we need and insist that we pay many tens of millions of pounds for him.

A promising start. Now consume as many of his YouTube clips and Twitter analytics graphs comparing him to other midfielders and we can seal the deal.
 
Yeah he would offer control, however who do you pair with him who can offer the tackling and ball progression
Stiller seems still quite a hard worker from the few times I watched Stuttgart play last season. A midfield of Bruno and him would probably not be ideal in tougher situations like against Newcastle's three in the middle, but against most teams you could run it anyways, I guess. Last weekend folks were creaming themselves on here watching Reijnders for City. I'm not saying that the two players are completely similar, but there wasn't any tough tackling, hyper physical player in City's midfield last Saturday either. A excellent technical player at the base of your midfield is always a nice thing to have.
 
Bruno is going to be one of our consistent starting midfielders, otherwise he wouldn't play much.

yeah i know

but it's obvious we need more than one midfielder

ugarte is unreliable
casemiro too old
bruno isn't a CM
and Mount is made of glass

so anyone claiming we're misguided for chasing more than one profile isn't thinking this through
 
A more charitable framing would be that we understand our recruitment strategy is supposed to be based on needs across multiple season rather than just the upcoming season, and that we will have to sign more than one midfielder of more than one profile over the coming transfer windows.

In which case having to delay acquiring a preferred target of one profile until next summer still allows you to acquire a different profile this summer.

Or, there could be nothing in this story.
I think it's this, or rather, I hope it's this. As the targets don't make sense when they are of such different profiles. Reminds me of the summer we switched from FDJ to Casemiro. Couldn't be more different even if they tried.

One look at Stiller’s profile doesn’t convince me he’s suited to a midfield two, especially in Amorim’s system. In the current setup, he’d need to contribute a lot more defensively. If we eventually have a manager who plays with a midfield three, then his profile would make much more sense.
 
Averages 85 passes a game and he’s the very highest percentile in progressive passes. I like that a lot.
 
For this type of player I’d rather buy the version of him that’s Prem tested (Mac Allister) and only after I’ve secured my more traditional DM (Rice before Zubimendi, Rodri before Reijnders, Gravenberch before Mac Allister, Caicedo before Enzo).
Which is who? And who?
 
Does he tick the boxes ?

a) Is he a midfielder - check!

Ok - sign him
 
yeah i know

but it's obvious we need more than one midfielder

ugarte is unreliable
casemiro too old
bruno isn't a CM
and Mount is made of glass

so anyone claiming we're misguided for chasing more than one profile isn't thinking this through

This is why we're likely to see a lot of rotation. Mainoo, Case, Bruno, Ugarte, and a bit of Mount and Zirkzee. Maybe we even buy someone before this window closes in just over a week.
 
I wonder if him and Wharton could pair? Maybe too similar but potentially an incredible duo

In a midfield 3, probably. In a midfield 2 under Amorim, dont see it. Amorim would t want this anyway, he needs and wants physicality in there as well. He is a cheaper alternative to Wharton is the way i see it.
 
He is the sort of signing that I like, the sort of name I can see going to Bayern or Real and tearing it up.

I really want us to sign players who pass at a high volume with good accuracy. It would be great to see us dictate play in a purposeful way. I really wished we would have capitalised on the foundation that Van Gaal had instilled and made ourselves a dominant ball playing side more akin to Pep's sort of sides.
 
we need more than one midfielder Bruno isn’t the right fit there
We didn't spend close to 130m on two no.10s so that we can bench them for Bruno. Whether we like it or not, Amorim has decided he's going to play him in a midfield 2. And as long as Bruno is here, he is going to be the first name on the teamsheet. I'm not questioning the signing by the way, I agree that we need a new midfielder. I'm questioning the profile of the player and whether we have decided what exactly we want from the new midfielder.
 
we need more than one midfielder Bruno isn’t the right fit there
The problem is, what actually is our long term plan with Bruno?

We've invested so much money in Cunha and Mbeumo such that Bruno now has to predominantly play in midfield.

Does anyone really see him becoming a bit-part player after this season? Amorim begged him to stay this summer. I think he'll be too loyal to him over multiple years and it will cause us an issue. If we had a plan to have a complete rebuild of midfield next summer when Casemiro leaves and Bruno shipped out, fair enough. But I'm sceptical.
 
We didn't spend close to 130m on two no.10s so that we can bench them for Bruno. Whether we like it or not, Amorim has decided he's going to play him in a midfield 2. And as long as Bruno is here, he is going to be the first name on the teamsheet. I'm not questioning the signing by the way, I agree that we need a new midfielder. I'm questioning the profile of the player and whether we have decided what exactly we want from the new midfielder.

Maybe Bruno is leaving next year and we are signing Stiller now to bed him in and Baleba next summer. Instead of buying someone similar to Baleba, we are signing someone we would buy next summer because he is available and Baleba isnt.

Respectively we might be playing in Europe next season and need more quality in the squad and with injuries, everyone would get regualr games anyway. For this season, this does not help, but maybe we have a mid term plan.
 
Been heavily linked with Madrid for a while.

Pretty obvious that we are looking at renewing our midfield two by the end of 2026 summer window, with Casemiro leaving, possibly Bruno too and uncertainty over Ugarte and Mainoo. One athletic midfielder and one controller. Baleba obviously the no1 choice for the first category and Wharton/Stiller fits the other. An athletic midfielder looks to be more urgent, but rather try for Baleba's (if we succeed next summer) potential partner this year rather than waste cash on a lesser alternative.
 
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