Angelo Stiller | Journos : Player is staying at Stuttgart

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saik said:
We didn't spend close to 130m on two no.10s so that we can bench them for Bruno. Whether we like it or not, Amorim has decided he's going to play him in a midfield 2. And as long as Bruno is here, he is going to be the first name on the teamsheet. I'm not questioning the signing by the way, I agree that we need a new midfielder. I'm questioning the profile of the player and whether we have decided what exactly we want from the new midfielder.
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I think it's pretty clear from the Baleba chase what we see as the most pressing need

this is just some vague link to another midfielder, for a player we're probably only half keeping any eye on, if anything
 
1988 said:
People being very offended by a 16 year old girl being bullied because of acne but it's super okay to make fun of this lad.
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I was going to say this is genuinely not funny, especially when directed towards someone with a birth defect.
 
Apokalips said:
He is the sort of signing that I like, the sort of name I can see going to Bayern or Real and tearing it up.

I really want us to sign players who pass at a high volume with good accuracy. It would be great to see us dictate play in a purposeful way. I really wished we would have capitalised on the foundation that Van Gaal had instilled and made ourselves a dominant ball playing side more akin to Pep's sort of sides.
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He was already ours. Comes from our youth. If we don’t manage to get him back, I’ll be pissed got the rest of his career.
 
Based on those stats, yes please. We need someone who will take care of the ball more carefully. For far too long there is no one of his profile in midfield. Still so young as well and comparisons with Toni Kroos and Xabi Alonso.

1988 said:
People being very offended by a 16 year old girl being bullied because of acne but it's super okay to make fun of this lad.
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Yeah, a bit uncomfortable to read.
 
It seems Ben Jacobs is linking us with a new midfielder every day. Maybe getting a few clicks and likes on his posts.

Not the signing we need at the club. Need a ball winner who can cover distance.
 
Dominos said:
The problem is, what actually is our long term plan with Bruno?

We've invested so much money in Cunha and Mbeumo such that Bruno now has to predominantly play in midfield.

Does anyone really see him becoming a bit-part player after this season? Amorim begged him to stay this summer. I think he'll be too loyal to him over multiple years and it will cause us an issue. If we had a plan to have a complete rebuild of midfield next summer when Casemiro leaves and Bruno shipped out, fair enough. But I'm sceptical.
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Yeah, it's a stop-gap because our midfield is shockingly poor. I don't know if there is a long-term plan is, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Bruno playing in the 10 and false 9 positions too.

If you zoom out Bruno obviously isn't a centre midfielder and that isn't a long term solution. And scouting for long-term replacement for that role makes perfect sense. It doesn't mean a DM-type isn't the priority (it almost certainly is given bruno is starting in cm)
 
izec said:
Maybe Bruno is leaving next year and we are signing Stiller now to bed him in and Baleba next summer. Instead of buying someone similar to Baleba, we are signing someone we would buy next summer because he is available and Baleba isnt.

Respectively we might be playing in Europe next season and need more quality in the squad and with injuries, everyone would get regualr games anyway. For this season, this does not help, but maybe we have a mid term plan.
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Bruno might or might now leave next year (my guess is he won't), but we would still need two midfielders between now and then to replace Erkisen and Casemiro.
 
Apokalips said:
He is the sort of signing that I like, the sort of name I can see going to Bayern or Real and tearing it up.

I really want us to sign players who pass at a high volume with good accuracy. It would be great to see us dictate play in a purposeful way. I really wished we would have capitalised on the foundation that Van Gaal had instilled and made ourselves a dominant ball playing side more akin to Pep's sort of sides.
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The same LVG that rejected Kroos, I may add.
 
Tarrou said:
why did you write this?
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I said it because you feel Bruno isn’t the right fit, but the reality is that Amorim clearly intends to use him there. Whether people like it or not, that’s where he’ll be playing, so it’s something everyone will need to get used to.
 
We aren't getting this guy.

He doesn't fit the profile of technically average that we desire in our midfielders.

This is the kind of midfielder that City, Bayer, Real and PSG get.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
I said it because you feel Bruno isn’t the right fit, but the reality is that Amorim clearly intends to use him there. Whether people like it or not, that’s where he’ll be playing, so it’s something everyone will need to get used to.
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sure okay thanks, just checking

I know that and definitely don't dispute it's the reality here

my point is that given it isn't the right long term fit (in my eyes at least), it makes sense to be scouting for that position. Even if he was perfect it makes sense given his age, and our squad depth.

to be honest I feel like bruno will likely leave next summer. The 10 positions are locked up, and he isn't gonna very effective in midfield by the looks of it.
 
Hoof the ball said:
We aren't getting this guy.

He doesn't fit the profile of technically average that we desire in our midfielders.

This is the kind of midfielder that City, Bayer, Real and PSG get.
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Other than Ugarte, I don't think our midfielders are average technically. However, we do lack that cultured deep-lying playmaker that the so called top clubs have.
 
He could be a DLP 6, something we have been lacking since Carrick.
 
The Transfer Flow (analytics site) has identified Stiller as our ideal midfielder this summer in multiple of their articles:

https://www.thetransferflow.com/p/let-s-find-manchester-united-a-new-midfielder-db75

"We highlighted Angelo Stiller in Rebuilding United, speculating that a big Champions League club would beat them to the punch. That has not happened yet, despite Xabi Alonso asking for him, mostly because Real Madrid chairman Florentino Perez doesn’t like his face. The previously rumoured price was €60m, and if Stiller’s agent will even take your phone calls, I’d be begging like Anthony Hamilton."

https://www.thetransferflow.com/p/the-manchester-united-rebuild-part-2

"Earlier in the year, we highlighted Stuttgart’s star central midfielder as a slightly under-the-radar guy who Premier League teams might be able to scoop up for a reasonable price. That isn’t happening anymore. Stiller has been a star in the Bundesliga and is getting starts for the German national team now."

They've been critical of our other three signing this summer, for what it's worth.
 
Really looks like a lad who can play, great technical skills and doesn't look afraid to get stuck in from clips, can imagine Sesko thriving on some of those balls he puts in the box; I am a sucker for a DLP.

I haven't watched him enough to comment, but how is he physically/how well does he read the game?

Only downside is he doesn't look the quickest or most athletic, so he'd surely need a relatively dominant/physical CM beside him, which unfortunately is what we're most desperate for currently; especially with how open we showed we could be last season.
 
Tarrou said:
sure okay thanks, just checking

I know that and definitely don't dispute it's the reality here

my point is that given it isn't the right long term fit (in my eyes at least), it makes sense to be scouting for that position. Even if he was perfect it makes sense given his age, and rotation.

to be honest I feel like bruno will likely leave next summer. The 10 positions are locked up, and he isn't gonna very effective in midfield by the looks of it.
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That might be the idea. No one really knows what's going on behind the scenes. I guess we'll have to see how he does this season.

If the plan is to move on from Bruno and Amorim doesn’t see Mainoo as the solution, then we should be targeting a genuine top-class playmaker instead.
 
Hoof the ball said:
We aren't getting this guy.

He doesn't fit the profile of technically average that we desire in our midfielders.

This is the kind of midfielder that City, Bayer, Real and PSG get.
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We constantly feel like we live in the trenches but want to have the top of the castle lifestyle, but at the same time push ourselves back down to the trenches because we feel we aren’t worthy of glory.

But don’t worry, we’ll still bitch and moan when we don’t get the shiny new toy to get there!

It’s frustrating to listen to.

Bemoan the club for NOT showing ambition to get the very best players. Yet when we do try and show ambition (& it’s the same as Baleba) we talk up our rivals whilst simultaneously shitting on our own chances of getting them in. Whilst ALSO criticising the team for getting “mediocre” players and complain that they aren’t good enough!!

Whatever the club does, it cannot win.
 
Remember the geese said:
It's about playing the long game. Not signing players for what may be best for just this season.
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Of course, and as I mentioned in another post, none of us really know what’s happening behind the scenes. Right now, we’ve got Bruno and Mainoo covering the 8, with Casemiro and Ugarte in the 6 role. Some would argue the quality isn’t quite there, but I think Amorim seems reasonably content with what he has. If he wasn’t, I imagine he’d have prioritised spending that £70+ million we put into Sesko on a midfielder instead.
 
BarstoolProphet said:
Been heavily linked with Madrid for a while.

Pretty obvious that we are looking at renewing our midfield two by the end of 2026 summer window, with Casemiro leaving, possibly Bruno too and uncertainty over Ugarte and Mainoo. One athletic midfielder and one controller. Baleba obviously the no1 choice for the first category and Wharton/Stiller fits the other. An athletic midfielder looks to be more urgent, but rather try for Baleba's (if we succeed next summer) potential partner this year rather than waste cash on a lesser alternative.
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Yeah I think this seems likeliest - planning the midfield duo rebuild over 2 summers, with a Baleba type being the preferred type to get now (as it complements Bruno the most) and then the controller type (which explains the Wharton and now Stiller links). Possibly pivoting now, realising we aren’t getting Baleba this summer, so going for a controller type - even if it results in short term pain, and then trying to go all out for Baleba next summer. Just maybe.
 
FrankDrebin said:
The same LVG that rejected Kroos, I may add.
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I was in no way saying I wanted to keep Van Gaal - that Kroos rejection was unforgivable, as was Moyes rejecting Thiago. Really makes me sick thinking what our midfield could have been if not for giving these shite managers full autonomy to do madness. I just wish we would have continued to try and push forward with the play style that made Juanfield happen, with many improvements of course.
 
Cause this is Stiller, Stiller night
And no one’s gonna save you from the beast about to strike
 
Seems similar to Wharton. Think it's clear that a future midfield for Amorim is something like someone like Baleba partnering someone like Wharton or Stiller. So a strong player who can cover ground really well but still good on the ball next to a deep playmaker. Makes sense.
 
golden_blunder said:
He’s good player but don’t understand our plan if we’re jumping from a Baleba type to him
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I guess Bruno is off to Saudi's next summer. And obviously Casemiro leaving, maybe Ugarte. And we are planning to sign two different profile midfielders.
 
Apokalips said:
He is the sort of signing that I like, the sort of name I can see going to Bayern or Real and tearing it up.

I really want us to sign players who pass at a high volume with good accuracy. It would be great to see us dictate play in a purposeful way. I really wished we would have capitalised on the foundation that Van Gaal had instilled and made ourselves a dominant ball playing side more akin to Pep's sort of sides.
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It's fecking boring though. United have never dominated teams like that, we've always flourished with a more swashbuckling approach.

We were incredibly dull under LvG. I think that's actually my least favourite iteration of United since SAF retired
 
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golden_blunder said:
He’s good player but don’t understand our plan if we’re jumping from a Baleba type to him
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that's what caught my attention at first....two completely opposite type of players and it goes away from Ruben said about the need for more athletic players in the middle
 
Dominos said:
The problem is, what actually is our long term plan with Bruno?

We've invested so much money in Cunha and Mbeumo such that Bruno now has to predominantly play in midfield.

Does anyone really see him becoming a bit-part player after this season? Amorim begged him to stay this summer. I think he'll be too loyal to him over multiple years and it will cause us an issue. If we had a plan to have a complete rebuild of midfield next summer when Casemiro leaves and Bruno shipped out, fair enough. But I'm sceptical.
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Well given his age there can't be a long term plan.

Also where is there any record of Amorim 'begging' him to stay. I am sure the consensus was if he wanted to go Ineos would not stand in his way. If he stayed, then as Club Captain then his place in the team this season is secure :s
 
Crimson King said:
It's fecking boring though. United have never dominated teams like that, we've always flourished with a more swashbuckling approach.

We were incredibly dull under LvG. I think that's actually my least favourite interaction of United since SAF retired
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Am with you and I prefer us being more dynamic type of team with swashbuckling approach as you say. But signing this type of player doesn't prevent that at all. As it was case with Xabi Alonso in Liverpool and Real, Carrick with us and most recently Kroos with Real Madrid.
 
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