Anthony Elanga | Newcastle

An extra 8m of "pure" profit is a nice little bonus for us. All in all a pretty good deal for us. We will ultimately end up pocketing 23m plus a potential 1m more from his sale (initial fee and sell on clause). Not bad for a player that left the club as a back-up option and was considered by most to very limited. He's proven that he is better than some gave him credit for, once again underlining the speed with which we write off young players (as fans) is almost always way too fast. He's developed nicely from 21-23.

If he was still around I would say he'd be a very good option as one of our wingbacks, and the lesson here is that we should be more patient in the development of our academy talent and stop feeding them to the dogs at 20/21 - because their development is far from complete. Years away. That said, he wouldn't have kicked on without the regular football he received at Forest, so all things considered this seems a win/win for everyone.

The fee is obviously very high for a player of his ability, but nonetheless - if you look past the fee - I think he will be a very useful addition for Newcastle. I think it's obvious that the fee is what it is because Forest had to take into consideration the 20% sell on clause. In reality, in today's market, I think this is a player worth about 30m, but the market is determined by who needs to buy and who wants to sell. It's not really tied to reliable markers of performance, hence it is hard to say who is "worth" what, besides our own perceptions.
 
flappyjay said:
The last 2 seasons he has got 31 goals and assists in the Premier for forest. His value is based on what he has done for the two seasons. Not his time from when he was 21 and wasnt even a starter.
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Is 11 goals and 20 assists in 2 seasons really worth £55m? Maybe I'm well off with my valuations these days but I just don't see it.

Elanga for me is a reliable mid table winger.
 
simonhch said:
An extra 8m of "pure" profit is a nice little bonus for us. All in all a pretty good deal for us. We will ultimately end up pocketing 23m plus a potential 1m more from his sale (initial fee and sell on clause). Not bad for a player that left the club as a back-up option and was considered by most to very limited. He's proven that he is better than some gave him credit for, once again underlining the speed with which we write off young players (as fans) is almost always way too fast. He's developed nicely from 21-23.

If he was still around I would say he'd be a very good option as one of our wingbacks, and the lesson here is that we should be more patient in the development of our academy talent and stop feeding them to the dogs at 20/21 - because their development is far from complete. Years away. That said, he wouldn't have kicked on without the regular football he received at Forest, so all things considered this seems a win/win for everyone.

The fee is obviously very high for a player of his ability, but nonetheless - if you look past the fee - I think he will be a very useful addition for Newcastle. I think it's obvious that the fee is what it is because Forest had to take into consideration the 20% sell on clause. In reality, in today's market, I think this is a player worth about 30m, but the market is determined by who needs to buy and who wants to sell. It's not really tied to reliable markers of performance, hence it is hard to say who is "worth" what.
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Well put.
 
Grossly over-inflated fee. He’s simply not that good but it’s a by-product of many, similarly inflated fees this and last summer.

If I was a Newcastle fan, I’d genuinely not be that excited. They’ve got Champions League football now and this is not the type of signing that inspires belief that they’ll really kick-on to another level.

A good player added but not better than Gordon, Barnes or Murphy. They really need a quality RW as their first eleven is generally very strong but that’s a key area for improvement.
 
Adz_99 said:
Is 11 goals and 20 assists in 2 seasons really worth £55m? Maybe I'm well off with my valuations these days but I just don't see it.

Elanga for me is a reliable mid table winger.
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Shrinkflation hasn't just hit chocolates, biscuits and crisps. You get less footballer for your money now too.
 
Adz_99 said:
Is 11 goals and 20 assists in 2 seasons really worth £55m? Maybe I'm well off with my valuations these days but I just don't see it.

Elanga for me is a reliable mid table winger.
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Mount had 14 goals and 12 assists in the two seasons prior to joining us and gracing is with his presence. And he had one year left on his contract. And he was a known crock too. And he went for 60 mil. So yeah Elanga is worth 55 Mil.
 
Rashford, Antony and Sancho league goals and stats over the past 2 seasons= 38 g/a

Elanga over the past 2 seasons=31 g/a

The price probably was inflated by the fact that forest knew they would have to pass 20% of the profit to us but Elanga will be useful for them. Someone said his assists numbers were helped by woods purple patch. In other words he will be serving an even better striker in Isak.
 
Adz_99 said:
Is 11 goals and 20 assists in 2 seasons really worth £55m? Maybe I'm well off with my valuations these days but I just don't see it.

Elanga for me is a reliable mid table winger.
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Looking at our own fans valuations for exiled united players then yeah it probably is.

He'll probably be a very productive for Newcastle unfortunately.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
Eddie Howe's nephew is helping out their existing recruitment people after Paul Mitchell left to make shampoo.
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Funny how paul Mitchell was in his job just 6 months longer than Dan Ashworth, but nobody calls Newcastle a circus
 
Adz_99 said:
Is 11 goals and 20 assists in 2 seasons really worth £55m? Maybe I'm well off with my valuations these days but I just don't see it.

Elanga for me is a reliable mid table winger.
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Luis diaz has managed 21 goals and 10 assists over the past 2 seasons. Thats 31 g/a similar to Elanga over the past 2 seasons. Liverpool are trying to sell 28 year old diaz for 80m.
 
Think this is solid if he keeps current form and a steal if he keeps improving especially considering he's HG.

Bit puzzled by the club choice as I see them stacked with quality wingers already.
 
Adz_99 said:
Is 11 goals and 20 assists in 2 seasons really worth £55m? Maybe I'm well off with my valuations these days but I just don't see it.

Elanga for me is a reliable mid table winger.
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elanga 55 games, 11 goals 20 assists 0.56
mbeumo 60 games 29 goals 13 assists 0.7

It's not a huge huge diffence when you factor in Mbeumo had 8 penalties which would take his figure down to 0.6.

3 years older and 20 mill or so more?

I am a big Mbeumo fan by the way, but i think people are being a tad harsh to Elanga here, he'll go to a good team who are very good at getting players to fit their team.

Look at Gordon and dare i say Isak.

At 23, Elanga has potential to kick-on some more. Maybe he won't.
 
isitreal91 said:
elanga 55 games, 11 goals 20 assists 0.56
mbeumo 60 games 29 goals 13 assists 0.7

It's not a huge huge diffence when you factor in Mbeumo had 8 penalties which would take his figure down to 0.6.

3 years older and 20 mill or so more?

I am a big Mbeumo fan by the way, but i think people are being a tad harsh to Elanga here, he'll go to a good team who are very good at getting players to fit their team.

Look at Gordon and dare i say Isak.

At 23, Elanga has potential to kick-on some more. Maybe he won't.
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29 goals vs 11 is a massive difference.
 
I do agree that it’s a crazy fee but Newcastle know the players that fit their style and buy really well. Murphy, Barnes, Gordon and Elanga, it’s all the same type of player and with two CL finishes in a row why wouldn’t they continue to do what has worked.

Elanga on the break is lightening and can run with the ball inside and outside and can finish with both feet. About 15m too much but is at the age where they could get good value and still resell at a decent fee.
 
PSV said:
Think this is solid if he keeps current form and a steal if he keeps improving especially considering he's HG.

Bit puzzled by the club choice as I see them stacked with quality wingers already.
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We're a bit short of quality and depth on the right -

Anthony Gordon and Harvey Barnes can technically play there but it's hit or miss. They're both miles better on the left.
Murphy's best season has just concluded at age 30 and he's unlikely to replicate it (would love to be wrong :P )
edit: Osula is still a work in progress (edit2: and not technically a winger but has come on as a sub there a few times if memory serves). Livramento would be able to put in a solid shift there actually. I'd consider him our 2nd best after Elanga in the role. But Tino is the long term Trippier replacement at RWB.

Elanga represents both an upgrade and investment in the future there.
 
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If somebody told me he would go on to be a 55m player a few years ago I would have laughed so fair play to him going to Forrest and proving himself to be a decent player. Will be a good signing for Newcastle and a nice bit of cash for us
 
ThereOnceWasAShip said:
Mount had 14 goals and 12 assists in the two seasons prior to joining us and gracing is with his presence. And he had one year left on his contract. And he was a known crock too. And he went for 60 mil. So yeah Elanga is worth 55 Mil.
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Let's not use Mount as a barometer of value because he is neck and neck with Antony and Hojlund for being the biggest waste of money in the clubs history. But at least with Mount you could argue he had previously produced at a big club, won the champions league and weren't Liverpool in for him too? Still a ridiculous overspend though obviously.

isitreal91 said:
elanga 55 games, 11 goals 20 assists 0.56
mbeumo 60 games 29 goals 13 assists 0.7

It's not a huge huge diffence when you factor in Mbeumo had 8 penalties which would take his figure down to 0.6.

3 years older and 20 mill or so more?

I am a big Mbeumo fan by the way, but i think people are being a tad harsh to Elanga here, he'll go to a good team who are very good at getting players to fit their team.

Look at Gordon and dare i say Isak.

At 23, Elanga has potential to kick-on some more. Maybe he won't.
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The key number there for me is 29 goals Vs 11, that's where the value is.

I thought north of £60m for Mbuemo was steep but looking at this deal and João Pedro going to Chelsea for £60m suddenly it doesn't seem bad. And £62m for Cunha was an absolute steal!
 
isitreal91 said:
elanga 55 games, 11 goals 20 assists 0.56
mbeumo 60 games 29 goals 13 assists 0.7

It's not a huge huge diffence when you factor in Mbeumo had 8 penalties which would take his figure down to 0.6.

3 years older and 20 mill or so more?

I am a big Mbeumo fan by the way, but i think people are being a tad harsh to Elanga here, he'll go to a good team who are very good at getting players to fit their team.

Look at Gordon and dare i say Isak.

At 23, Elanga has potential to kick-on some more. Maybe he won't.
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Elanga is supposedly 55+5. We're not going to pay 75-80 for Mbuemo.

We saw enough of Elanga to know what he's about. Had talent, but limited in a lot of ways beyond his blistering pace.

Well done to him, but don't regret letting him go. Comparing him to Isak is very silly though. He was highly rated from about 17 when he joined Dortmund. It took him a while to get there, but he started to show he was going to make it to the top at Sociedad, which is why Newcastle paid so much for him in a winter window. That summer half the clubs in Europe would have been in for him.

No one else was paying that for Elanga.
 
Great for Elanga. Another challenge for him to prove to be that player. Sure he is expensive but he's just EPL experienced which is hugely underestimated. So many players failed and he can't fail in 20% better team which playes into his hands 100%.

Should be a good reputation for us for future sales. And if he fails at least hes another one of the Saud scums fails. Don't think he will personally take them tp another level although he will be a good squad player for them.
 
Adz_99 said:
Is 11 goals and 20 assists in 2 seasons really worth £55m? Maybe I'm well off with my valuations these days but I just don't see it.

Elanga for me is a reliable mid table winger.
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Ekitike is quoted 100 m, having 26 goals & 14 assists in 2 seasons, playing in weaker League.
 
Dans said:
Lots of United fans here who don’t want to believe they might have been wrong about Elanga. I think he’ll do well for Newcastle. Eddie Howe is no mug and knows what he’s getting.
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I think Newcastle's recruitment as generally been superb. And I agree, I think he'll suit them well. But we weren't wrong to sell him, his technical ability is very low, he's not a player suited to a methodical possession game in the final third, so he only really suited playing on the counter. He's developed somewhat, but Forest played exactly to his strengths. Also not great first touch. We did miss a trick in not getting a much bigger sell-on and I hope we learn huge lessons from that and, more importantly, from Alvaro Fernandez.
 
£55million for Elanga seems mental to me. Absolutely mental.
 
simonhch said:
An extra 8m of "pure" profit is a nice little bonus for us. All in all a pretty good deal for us. We will ultimately end up pocketing 23m plus a potential 1m more from his sale (initial fee and sell on clause). Not bad for a player that left the club as a back-up option and was considered by most to very limited. He's proven that he is better than some gave him credit for, once again underlining the speed with which we write off young players (as fans) is almost always way too fast. He's developed nicely from 21-23.

If he was still around I would say he'd be a very good option as one of our wingbacks, and the lesson here is that we should be more patient in the development of our academy talent and stop feeding them to the dogs at 20/21 - because their development is far from complete. Years away. That said, he wouldn't have kicked on without the regular football he received at Forest, so all things considered this seems a win/win for everyone.

The fee is obviously very high for a player of his ability, but nonetheless - if you look past the fee - I think he will be a very useful addition for Newcastle. I think it's obvious that the fee is what it is because Forest had to take into consideration the 20% sell on clause. In reality, in today's market, I think this is a player worth about 30m, but the market is determined by who needs to buy and who wants to sell. It's not really tied to reliable markers of performance, hence it is hard to say who is "worth" what, besides our own perceptions.
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Fair points all. We have been so quick to give up on some of our biggest youth talents. Part of the issue is not having a functional team to properly integrate those players into. But at times we have underrated or completely ignored our youngsters’ potential to contribute to having a more functional team. Álvaro and Garner in particular are the poster boys of this failed policy and it really makes you wonder about Amorim marginalizing Mainoo.
 
55m is crazy for him. I just think in today’s PL you don’t get anything of any quality at all for under 50m.
The days of 30m super stars are a thing of the past.
 
Teja said:
Yeah this is what it feels like to me. Do they even have a sporting director at this point?
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Newcastle's sporting director is Howe. They fired Mitchell, because Howe can't work with a sporting director. And Howe knows only PL players and wants only PL players, so their recruitment is limited and they must overpaid in the inflated PL market.
Isak, Botman, Bruno Guimaraes... Their recruitment was excellent when Howe was only a coach and they can buy top talents abroad. But now is different.
 
Adz_99 said:
Is 11 goals and 20 assists in 2 seasons really worth £55m? Maybe I'm well off with my valuations these days but I just don't see it.

Elanga for me is a reliable mid table winger.
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5 goals and 10 assists for a young winger with upside is a very good return

Elanga is being under rated on here because of his time with us, where he was a young player in a poor side. In the same breath people on here think Garnacho is worth more than 60m

I think he will do really well at Newcastle
 
Castia said:
If somebody told me he would go on to be a 55m player a few years ago I would have laughed so fair play to him going to Forrest and proving himself to be a decent player. Will be a good signing for Newcastle and a nice bit of cash for us
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While Rashford has no takers at 40 m. Imagine being told this two years ago.
 
I'd wait before passing a judgment on whether or not this fee is inflated. Elanga was performing pretty good for Forest. And he's only 23.
 
Finally some money in cause it's becoming increasingly evident that best in class can't sell
 
jigen said:
Crazy waste of money. Elanga is average, a speed merchant, worth 20m. But when a manager (Howe) wants to be sporting director and choose the players, is a disaster. And you (Man Utd) have already seen with the signings of Ten Hag.
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Go check Howe’s transfer record on Transfermarkt. One of the best hit rates you’ll ever see
 
Adz_99 said:
Is 11 goals and 20 assists in 2 seasons really worth £55m? Maybe I'm well off with my valuations these days but I just don't see it.

Elanga for me is a reliable mid table winger.
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These are the prices nowadays
 
So how many money for us ? We sold him 15 millions if I remember. So if it is 20% of profits, it is 8 millions, which is very good.
 
It's rather funny that Elanga will sell for a fair chunk more than what you will fetch for any of the four wingers you've put up for sale.
 
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