Anthony Elanga | Newcastle

B20 said:
It's rather funny that Elanga will sell for a fair chunk more than what you will fetch for any of the four wingers you've put up for sale.
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Not really. We will have recouped 23m (plus an extra 1m with the add ons) in total.

I liked Elanga but we had to move some players on at that time in terms of homegrown talent. Much like Chelsea have been doing for a while. It’s a shame PSR encourages it but without the move you probably wouldn’t see the development in Elanga either.
 
TheReligion said:
Not really. We will have recouped 23m (plus an extra 1m with the add ons) in total.

I liked Elanga but we had to move some players on at that time in terms of homegrown talent. Much like Chelsea have been doing for a while. It’s a shame PSR encourages it but without the move you probably wouldn’t see the development in Elanga either.
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Oh, I do think selling Elanga was a "suits all parties" type of deal and it's only good that you will now get an additional cheque.

It's nonetheless a tad ironic that two years down the line he's in higher demand than any of your current wingers.
 
B20 said:
Oh, I do think selling Elanga was a "suits all parties" type of deal and it's only good that you will now get an additional cheque.

It's nonetheless a tad ironic that two years down the line he's in higher demand than any of your current wingers.
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I think there is one massive reason for that and it isn’t talent.

Antony aside, probably
 
He's turned into a very effective player while at Forest. Will be interesting to see if he can maintain it at Newcastle but you'd expect him to as the transition of style isn't too dissimilar and a front three of Gordon, Isak and Elanga would be pretty good.

Funny how one career move can change things so much for a player. When at United he showed little sparks of talent but never felt like he would kick on to become a 50m+ player.
 
Fantastic player, and will be a great signing for Newcastle.

One of the players we should have kept. Rangnick saw the development of Elanga and sang his praises multiple times.

Should have listened to him about a lot of things, Elanga included.
 
£9m for United if reported sell on % is correct. It all helps as it all adds up. He never looked like he was going to become a great talent at United but did show flashes, as has been stated above. I am not sure Newcastle could not have bought a better player for that amount. He is decent but I do think that a PL overpay is in play here...nice to see it doesn't just stand for United!
 
Champ said:
Fantastic player, and will be a great signing for Newcastle.

One of the players we should have kept. Rangnick saw the development of Elanga and sang his praises multiple times.

Should have listened to him about a lot of things, Elanga included.
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He’s very suited to Newcastle’s playing style and system, great on the counter and making the most of turnovers. In a team that likes to have more of the ball he’d struggle to have the same impact. He certainly wouldn’t be one of our number 10’s in the current system so I don’t agree that he’s a big regret.

We’ve recouped about 23m for him now, he’s gone and do really well for himself. Sometimes you've just got to move on and accept it was a good deal all round. 55m feels pricey to me though. Imagine Brentford are going to use this as a measuring stick in the Mbeumo deal now….
 
Crazy fee and I can see why Forest sold him. It does make Newcastle very dangerous on the counter.
 
Davo28 said:
He’s very suited to Newcastle’s playing style and system, great on the counter and making the most of turnovers. In a team that likes to have more of the ball he’d struggle to have the same impact. He certainly wouldn’t be one of our number 10’s in the current system so I don’t agree that he’s a big regret.

We’ve recouped about 23m for him now, he’s gone and do really well for himself. Sometimes you've just got to move on and accept it was a good deal all round. 55m feels pricey to me though. Imagine Brentford are going to use this as a measuring stick in the Mbeumo deal now….
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Agree with this, with small caveat that I would have been interested to see him as an attacking wing back in our current system. Sold before Amorim so redundant really.
 
Adz_99 said:
The key number there for me is 29 goals Vs 11, that's where the value is.

I thought north of £60m for Mbuemo was steep but looking at this deal and João Pedro going to Chelsea for £60m suddenly it doesn't seem bad. And £62m for Cunha was an absolute steal!
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29 goals including penalties though, 21 without. Obviously Mbeumo being good at pens is a positive on his CV.

I think Mbeumo is the best out of the lot of them clearly, but i also think he'll drop a bit next year. I'd have Mbeumo before Cunha as well. Not sure on Cunha myself.

Crimson King said:
Elanga is supposedly 55+5. We're not going to pay 75-80 for Mbuemo.
saw enough of Elanga to know what he's about. Had talent, but limited in a lot of ways beyond his blistering pace.

Well done to him, but don't regret letting him go. Comparing him to Isak is very silly though. He was highly rated from about 17 when he joined Dortmund. It took him a while to get there, but he started to show he was going to make it to the top at Sociedad, which is why Newcastle paid so much for him in a winter window. That summer half the clubs in Europe would have been in for him.

No one else was paying that for Elanga.
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Romano says 55m, Ornstein 52 + bonuses. So give or take as i thought you were paying 70 or so.

Comparing him to Isak? I simply said him and Gordon are players that i personally couldn't see doing what they are doing based on their previous seasons. Which everyone here is crabbing about Elanga. Both Isak and Gordon were expensive at the time so it's not silly. Isak had 6 goals in his last full season as well. Yes better the season before, but it's the point i'm making, i don't see how that's a silly one.
If half the clubs would've been after Isak then fair enough, but they weren't for Gordon were they? Bruno? Tonali? Hall? This is the point i'm making. Newcastle have a settled team and have done well with their recruitment in the past. Will it continue, well that's up in the air as they can't keep a DOF, but on their past purchases. Yes it will.

Elanga's numbers aren't any worse than Mbeumo's at 23. He played for UTD before, so you guys rate him based on that time as much as his current time. Many of the UTD players in recent times are better when they leave.
 
isitreal91 said:
29 goals including penalties though, 21 without. Obviously Mbeumo being good at pens is a positive on his CV.

I think Mbeumo is the best out of the lot of them clearly, but i also think he'll drop a bit next year. I'd have Mbeumo before Cunha as well. Not sure on Cunha myself.


Romano says 55m, Ornstein 52 + bonuses. So give or take as i thought you were paying 70 or so.

Comparing him to Isak? I simply said him and Gordon are players that i personally couldn't see doing what they are doing based on their previous seasons. Which everyone here is crabbing about Elanga. Both Isak and Gordon were expensive at the time so it's not silly. Isak had 6 goals in his last full season as well. Yes better the season before, but it's the point i'm making, i don't see how that's a silly one.
If half the clubs would've been after Isak then fair enough, but they weren't for Gordon were they? Bruno? Tonali? Hall? This is the point i'm making. Newcastle have a settled team and have done well with their recruitment in the past. Will it continue, well that's up in the air as they can't keep a DOF, but on their past purchases. Yes it will.

Elanga's numbers aren't any worse than Mbeumo's at 23. He played for UTD before, so you guys rate him based on that time as much as his current time. Many of the UTD players in recent times are better when they leave.
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I’m not sure what’s comparison is here as the club will make 24m from Elanga
 
isitreal91 said:
29 goals including penalties though, 21 without. Obviously Mbeumo being good at pens is a positive on his CV.

I think Mbeumo is the best out of the lot of them clearly, but i also think he'll drop a bit next year. I'd have Mbeumo before Cunha as well. Not sure on Cunha myself.


Romano says 55m, Ornstein 52 + bonuses. So give or take as i thought you were paying 70 or so.

Comparing him to Isak? I simply said him and Gordon are players that i personally couldn't see doing what they are doing based on their previous seasons. Which everyone here is crabbing about Elanga. Both Isak and Gordon were expensive at the time so it's not silly. Isak had 6 goals in his last full season as well. Yes better the season before, but it's the point i'm making, i don't see how that's a silly one.
If half the clubs would've been after Isak then fair enough, but they weren't for Gordon were they? Bruno? Tonali? Hall? This is the point i'm making. Newcastle have a settled team and have done well with their recruitment in the past. Will it continue, well that's up in the air as they can't keep a DOF, but on their past purchases. Yes it will.

Elanga's numbers aren't any worse than Mbeumo's at 23. He played for UTD before, so you guys rate him based on that time as much as his current time. Many of the UTD players in recent times are better when they leave.
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We're not paying 70m for Mbuemo, although I wouldn't be surprised if Brentford have upped their asking price to that.

What players are actually better? Elanga did well but left very young and only really stood out last season. McTominay showed pretty much the same form at Napoli, but playing in a much better team. Antony did well at Betis, but he was basically the same player in the first season here but without the pressure or physicality of the PL.

United have to take a lot of blame for signings that fail, but not all of it.
 
Crimson King said:
We're not paying 70m for Mbuemo, although I wouldn't be surprised if Brentford have upped their asking price to that.

What players are actually better? Elanga did well but left very young and only really stood out last season. McTominay showed pretty much the same form at Napoli, but playing in a much better team. Antony did well at Betis, but he was basically the same player in the first season here but without the pressure or physicality of the PL.

United have to take a lot of blame for signings that fail, but not all of it.
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How do you know you won't pay 70m in the end?

All the ones above you've mentioned. Sancho, Rashford both showed better than they have at UTD for a long time.

Antony was better when he left UTD , than before he left. Simple facts?

All of this is just me saying you guys are negative on Elanga, it's fine, but Newcastle have their successes in the market, and are the type of team that players go to and flourish. Would i have Jacob Murphy at LFC, or you have him at UTD? didn't think so.
 
55m is an insane fee for him. Really don't think he is very good but I guess we'll see how he does at Newcastle. Would be surprised if he's more than a squad player
 
bosnian_red said:
55m is an insane fee for him. Really don't think he is very good but I guess we'll see how he does at Newcastle. Would be surprised if he's more than a squad player
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Seems like Howe just wants to fill their team with a lot of huff and puff while technical quality is secondary.

It's a good way to overrun sides like us who struggle with physicality, but it's going to do nothing to bridge the gap to Liverpool/Arsenal/City, which is what they should be aiming for with their bottomless pit of money.
 
V.O. said:
Seems like Howe just wants to fill their team with a lot of huff and puff while technical quality is secondary.

It's a good way to overrun sides like us who struggle with physicality, but it's going to do nothing to bridge the gap to Liverpool/Arsenal/City, which is what they should be aiming for with their bottomless pit of money.
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Won 4, drew 2 and lost 3 against those three last season for what it's worth
 
hellhunter said:
Won 4, drew 2 and lost 3 against those three last season for what it's worth
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I mean in the league table, not in direct matches.

Players like Elanga will be quite useful in matches against better sides where you can use his work rate defensively and his pace on the counter. Much less so in games against unfancied opposition who will just sit in with ten behind the ball.
 
I’ve seen some people say this Elanga fee could embolden Brentford to push for a higher fee for Mbeumo. But surely it’s positive for us in our negotiation that Newcastle have moved on quickly from Mbeumo and bought Elanga. It’s only really us or Spurs that are options for him now so Brentford are running out of buyers for him. I don’t see him staying at Brentford having been so close to the exit since the start of the window. Maybe it will be Brentford that will blink first? If it’s going to happen anyway they may as well get it done and give themselves some time to reinvest the money
 
Not sure where else to post and as Elanga is part of my question i'll drop it here. apperently United are due 8mil. pounds for the Elanga deal, but also the potential deals of Alvaro F. to Real and maybe Mason Greenwood (who was rumored before to leave).. How much in total could we get from 'second hand deals'? And how will that help to United getting more players?
 
Steve 007 said:
55m is crazy for him. I just think in today’s PL you don’t get anything of any quality at all for under 50m.
The days of 30m super stars are a thing of the past.
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It sets the benchmark against which Chelsea will value Madueke, if Arsenal insist on pursuing him.
 
I think he'll do well playing with better players but its a lot of money. He gets a lot of assists (9 and then 11, with his 11 this season being 3rd most in the premier league btw) but if he could add more goals maybe he could be worth the money

So Cunha got a combined 21 goals and assists in the league, Luis Diaz got 18, Palmer 23, Bowen 21, Eze 16

I think a rough estimate of around 19 goals and assists combined makes sense as a target for around £52 million and that would only be 2 more than he got this season. He might do it. Diaz and Eze would go for more than that despite getting less so perhaps it isnt as high a fee as it first sounds.
 
Redfrog said:
So how many money for us ? We sold him 15 millions if I remember. So if it is 20% of profits, it is 8 millions, which is very good.
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23mil combined, could be better but is okay return for an academy graduate.

Also he's 3 years younger then Mbeumo, who was before his breakthrough. Elanga can improve still, he's always fit. Probably his level will be similar to Semenyo, who at 25 just had his best season and is quoted at 60m as well..
 
Poborsky's hair said:
23mil combined, could be better but is okay return for an academy graduate.

Also he's 3 years younger then Mbeumo, who was before his breakthrough. Elanga can improve still, he's always fit. Probably his level will be similar to Semenyo, who at 25 just had his best season and is quoted at 60m as well..
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I think £23m for him is good business. That’s nearly as much as McT. No issue with selling him, and hope he goes and has a cracking career. It was right for all parties that he moved when he did - would be great if we could get more players like this through and out to other clubs in the same way.
 
SilentWitness said:
He's turned into a very effective player while at Forest. Will be interesting to see if he can maintain it at Newcastle but you'd expect him to as the transition of style isn't too dissimilar and a front three of Gordon, Isak and Elanga would be pretty good.

Funny how one career move can change things so much for a player. When at United he showed little sparks of talent but never felt like he would kick on to become a 50m+ player.
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Yeah, as long as it's a high transition/counter attacking style, he'll be decent. The challenge comes in once they start facing low blocks IMO.
 
Ish said:
Yeah, as long as it's a high transition/counter attacking style, he'll be decent. The challenge comes in once they start facing low blocks IMO.
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Elanga got 3 assists from freekicks and 1 from a corner, 1 from a throughball, 2 more from crosses and then another 4 from general play

He got 3 goals on counter attacks and 3 other goals from open play

I dont know if perhaps the 2 crosses were from counter attacks. But even if that was the case I think we can safely say from his 4 set piece assists that he can be effective without counter attacks. Wood is obviously a great target for these set pieces but Isak wont be bad either.
 
I take the point someone said about players form not being consistent, and he pointed to Chris woods.
to be fair to cw, is gettinzg on a bit, back from a nasty injury, and strikers do tend to have very good or very bad patches, more than other players.
id rather elanga had stayed, but I agree with the squad player description.

Im going to make sure the next born in our family is named after our new striker.....igor Jesus.
nothing wrong with the names...just sounds a bit odd with our surname.

don't spend. all the money at once......as if.......
 
V.O. said:
Seems like Howe just wants to fill their team with a lot of huff and puff while technical quality is secondary.

It's a good way to overrun sides like us who struggle with physicality, but it's going to do nothing to bridge the gap to Liverpool/Arsenal/City, which is what they should be aiming for with their bottomless pit of money.
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They have more technical quality on the ball than we have....
 
He’s an average player but his strengths do make him a useful tool in the right settup. I have strong reservations about his capability to function in a top possession team but he’s more than capable of playing to a high level in a counter attacking settup for example. Hes actually a perfect player in that Newcastle team which seems to be focussed on physicality and athleticism, quick counters and hard work. He’s capable of chipping in with goals and assists too in that settup.

Having said all of that, Utd were right to sell. Technically he’s limited and for the football we are aspiring to play, he was never going to be suitable. I do think Garnacho is a far superior talent and player so really this just confirms what I’ve thought for awhile which is that really Garnacho should be selling for £60-£70m minimum.
 
calypso said:
I take the point someone said about players form not being consistent, and he pointed to Chris woods.
to be fair to cw, is gettinzg on a bit, back from a nasty injury, and strikers do tend to have very good or very bad patches, more than other players.
id rather elanga had stayed, but I agree with the squad player description.

Im going to make sure the next born in our family is named after our new striker.....igor Jesus.
nothing wrong with the names...just sounds a bit odd with our surname.

don't spend. all the money at once......as if.......
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Is this mumble rap?
 
He’ll do wonders at Newcastle because of his bulldog physical approach to attacking the space upfront. 55mil would soon be seen as money well spent I reckon.
 
Forest are such shady cnuts nowadays I wouldn't be surprised if they don't pay us the sell on money, or they pay it in yearly instalments of a fiver.
 
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