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Awful, hauled off at half timeHow did he play for France?
Awful, hauled off at half timeHow did he play for France?
Yeah and Son had to pass a fitness test for his hamstring injury prior to the match. I really thought Martial would have outsprinted him through on goalhe has looked slower..Though quick Son made him look pedestrian on that one-on-one sprint
Pedestrian, he had one good shot on goal, but he didn't create much for himself or others in a half where France scored 4.How did he play for France?
He's done well to escape serious criticism so far this season, I think he's been the worst of the front 3.Eesh. He’s such a streaky player. And when he’s not on form he’s garbage.
Something you can say about almost everyone in our team, unfortunately.
It seems like this has been the case for the past eight years now. We've not had a single outfield player that's consistently delivered since RVP's season under Fergie despite spending an obscene amount of money. Something is going very wrong with the coaching at this club.Eesh. He’s such a streaky player. And when he’s not on form he’s garbage.
Something you can say about almost everyone in our team, unfortunately.
I love Martial too but feel the same way. I’m not convinced we’d score more with him at 9 all season vs Greenwood at 9 either.This season has started up perfectly to take off. Trusted as the number 9 finally, back in the France fold ahead of the Euro’s and his giving so and so performances.
It’s sorry but if he doesn’t do the business this season we really need to move on and bring in a undisputed number 9. I really want him to succeed but he’s so streaky.
I’m in agreement. I love Martial, possibly my favourite player at the club which is why I’m still backing him to come good and have a great season but if he doesn’t then we simply have to bring in first team competition for his spot. ST is the one position you really need continues quality. He did show that at the end of last season though so let’s hope he’s just not sharp.This season has started up perfectly to take off. Trusted as the number 9 finally, back in the France fold ahead of the Euro’s and his giving so and so performances.
It’s sorry but if he doesn’t do the business this season we really need to move on and bring in a undisputed number 9. I really want him to succeed but he’s so streaky.
Would you be happy with Martial as your number 2 striker like Gabriel Jesus or Origi?I love Martial too but feel the same way. I’m not convinced we’d score more with him at 9 all season vs Greenwood at 9 either.
I agree with you but no one has been sharp either have they?I’m in agreement. I love Martial, possibly my favourite player at the club which is why I’m still backing him to come good and have a great season but if he doesn’t then we simply have to bring in first team competition for his spot. ST is the one position you really need continues quality. He did show that at the end of last season though so let’s hope he’s just not sharp.
Yeh I agree overall. I think it’s clear that Utd are so underprepared for this season that it’s painful. We were dead on our feet at the end of last season and that showed and then we had very little break Into this one. It’s clear that every player to a man has been drained and is playing below their level, that’s why personally I’m not putting that much blame on Ole. The team will improve because we have the quality there and that’s why I still think Martial has time to have his best ever campaign this year once we get up to speed.I agree with you but no one has been sharp either have they?
I dont see a single player creating a clear cut chance be that Bruno, Pogba, Rashford or Greenwood.
I dont see Rashford and Greenwood playing close to him as they did last season where Martial was playing a link up player between the two inverted forwards. Now the inverted forwards are looking like wide attacking midfielders playing deep and wide which isolates Martial from anything. I do t think our inverted forwards have been great either.
Where has our pressing from a front line gone?
I agree and think we should get/promote a world class striker one day that plays differently to Martial because he is a link up player in my eyes than a predatory forward & we cant always be following one plan.
However, When you look at the Liverpool front line - I just wished we played like that because i see Rashford being similar to Mane, Greenwood able to play like Salah on the RW but we dont ever place Martial or even Van De Beek as a false 9 either.
It's the other way around like where Salah and Mane are trying to create a chance for Firmino as their main attacking threat.
He did well the previous game, it's just this game the team was dominating but he wasn't as involved.He really isn't taking his chances for France.
Actually I didn't see the match so thanks for correcting me. I just hope he doesn't miss out on Euro because France looks like they will win that tournamentHe did well the previous game, it's just this game the team was dominating but he wasn't as involved.
That's the issue with him all this time. It's not about his talent, or how his team does. He can be invisible even when his team does well. This should end the myth about him regarding not getting good supply. It's about workrate.He did well the previous game, it's just this game the team was dominating but he wasn't as involved.
But nine times out of ten, that's exactly what the problem is at United. Cavani will go through the same issues if the rest of the squad doesn't get it together.That's the issue with him all this time. It's not about his talent, or how his team does. He can be invisible even when his team does well. This should end the myth about him regarding not getting good supply. It's about workrate.
Don't disagree on our issue.But nine times out of ten, that's exactly what the problem is at United. Cavani will go through the same issues if the rest of the squad doesn't get it together.
True, but he has looked good the previous game, and it's not as shocking if he doesn't have as good of a game when the team is dominating. He should be on the end of some of those goals when it's a 7-1 drubbing, but Ben Yedder didn't either, although he was a bit more involved. I think Tony will come good if he stays healthy and with the shaky health of players like Dembe and Coman, along with the up and down form of Lemar, I can see Tony making it to the Euro with France, the competition isn't as fierce as it was a couple of years ago right now.Don't disagree on our issue.
Just making point about Martial individual issue that hampering him from getting involvement with France NT. He needs to take the chance. Anything can happen between now and when final EURO squad. If Martial fails to stake his claim now, it may cost him the chance during the this season where there is less international break.
Wasnt he playing with Giroud in a double role?Don't disagree on our issue.
Just making point about Martial individual issue that hampering him from getting involvement with France NT. He needs to take the chance. Anything can happen between now and when final EURO squad. If Martial fails to stake his claim now, it may cost him the chance during the this season where there is less international break.
The different in style is far apart IMO. Never agreed to such comparison.Wasnt he playing with Giroud in a double role?
In my personal opinion, Martial isnt a player that you can put in any random system with any random player and turn in to some predatory striker.
Whilst I know not everyone agrees - but there is a reason why many people regard him as a clinical version of Firmino. Not because he doesnt have the number all the time; but he can bring a benefit to our front line if the rest of them are made to play off him.
I'm not sure what Martial playing next to Giroud in a partnership is supposed to do tbh & i dont think Firmino would be any better playing as a side striker to Giroud. They are not the most predatory but they bring interlinking ability for the rest of the front line as a false 9 would do.
I used to doubt Martial's pressing energy and work rate but last season showed that to me also.
I agree with @Sayros that he would be better with players like Dembele, mbappe, lemar, coman playing in the right set up.
Martial wasnt playing as a SS though he was playing as a striker next to Giroud with Aouar being a creator.The different in style is far apart IMO. Never agreed to such comparison.
It's not like Martial is unfamiliar with playing as SS with other forwards. Until Berbatov, and Falcao (got injured then loaned to us), he played a fair bit with them as SS.
Firmino deserves the credit he gets, but there is this overrating hype about him. If Liverpool team doesn't have Salah and Mane, it would be pointless to have Firmino. Same with many other teams. There is Luis Suarez, Benzema of this world that can both score, work hard and be the support to their wide forwarders.
If you're all about building the team around Martial, then his chance to make France squad would be much lower. You need great wide forwards scorers to make it work. Mbappe is great but even him shouldn't be burdened to carry such task, especially in international football where you don't have as much preparation time to fine tune. You need more players that adapt well to tactic. Knowing Deschamps record, he can be ruthless when making the final trim for the tournament squad.
Let agree to disagree.Martial wasnt playing as a SS though he was playing as a striker next to Giroud with Aouar being a creator.
It's not about overeating Firmino that I'm trying to talk - it's the position he plays in.
Would real madrid would have been good if it was Ronaldo and Bale trying to play Benzema in all the time in a 4231? Or what is better with the inverted forwards getting forward and narrow with Benzema trying to play them in?
Same with Firmino whose gameplay is their to help the midfield as much as it is there to help the forwards through positioning. He isnt the most creative yet he is their to create chances or help with positioning to allow Salah and Mane to be the main goalscorer.
I dont see why Martial should be the main goalscorer of this team just because he is in the middle. The game has move far long ago that the goals come out from out wide. Look at Kane vs son at spurs; hardly playing like a forward these days - yet in our matches its Martial the further forward. Even if we had Telles x 2 on either side it would make no difference to Martial because he isnt that type of forward.
Just because it doesnt work - doesnt mean he isnt good enough because there is clear tactical set up that would work with him just as much as their isnt. That's why I'm okay with a new Plan A striker or a Plan B; but it has to be different to Martial because the way he plays football is useful in the right set up.
What an entirely pointless post and use of stats.Advanced stats certainly don't like Anthony Martial very much:
Advanced stats certainly don't like Anthony Martial very much:
Advanced stats, keep up.What an entirely pointless post and use of stats.
The passes, successful dribbles and Assists show exactly the type of striker Martial is and how he should be played - not as a made to be predatory striker that can barely get in to the positions of a header.Advanced stats certainly don't like Anthony Martial very much:
Could really use a goal!Never mind smiling. Is he scoring?
Sure, the same player that should have had an assist but Mbappe missing a gaping goal should be his fault.Started for France. First one to be subbed off after 63 min.
Didnt get going at all and was maybe France worst player. Not sure he will be called up next time
Sawthe game and this is fair. I did like how he tried to assist mbappe too, shame it didn't result in a goalSure, the same player that should have had an assist but Mbappe missing a gaping goal should be his fault.
Should have had a penalty.
Hardly lost the ball while Griezmann and Mbappe were giving it away for fun.
Look, I'm not here to say he took his chance or played well cuz he didn't but he sure as hell was not the worst player on the pitch, not by a long shot.
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...EFA-Nations-League-A-2020-2021-Croatia-FranceSure, the same player that should have had an assist but Mbappe missing a gaping goal should be his fault.
Should have had a penalty.
Hardly lost the ball while Griezmann and Mbappe were giving it away for fun.
Look, I'm not here to say he took his chance or played well cuz he didn't but he sure as hell was not the worst player on the pitch, not by a long shot.