Is a bit like the Pogba debate at his peak form. So many raved about him here in the ole caretaker season. They refused to understand his good form was only from Nov-January in that whole season.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Yeah, though that's problems of our own making, if we were better at contracts/player management in general we would likely be able to find more suitors and achieve a sale, which is clearly what the the club wants this summer - so some inference on what ETH thinks can probably be drawn there in fairness.
Our ST situation is lamentable so he may well be necessary backup however once again, if the club could sell him for anything and lose his wage I'm quite sure they'd prefer that plus then buying a backup/young talent this summer, over carrying on with a player that has proven himself incapable of making the step and who has just had a frankly horrific loan spell.
It shouldn't even be a debate anymore.
His stint at Sevilla should be the final nail in that coffin.
It's not as simple as that though really. Looking in from the outside, he so often just looks like a grumpy / sulky / lazy so and so with a bad attitude. We're trying to improve the squad morale, not bring it down even further and I wonder what his arrival will do to the squad and in particular on the younger players too.
But I do get the point needing a backup ST, just wish it wasn't him and we found a buyer that's all...
I'm stating it the same way you are. We are both sharing opinions, so don't start that kind of nonsense. Up until this point it was cordial.
I disagree on that point. Not sure I would say that continually saying what I post doesn’t make sense is any more cordial than what I just said. Probably less cordial.
I didn't continually say that your posts didn't make sense. I said that one of your point didn't and I didn't repeat it.
Hardly a shocker this, we can’t even give him away. Hopefully Newcastle are desperate in January
I’ve got more chance of making the France squad than he has, and I’m not even French
Also behind closed doors
You did it twice on two points. I’m not sure how that’s more cordial than saying you stated your opinion like fact once. Regardless, we disagree and will continue to on this subject. He wasn’t worth the contract then or now. And we’re fecked by it because he’s going nowhere outside of a subsidised loan or we’re stuck with a player known to have a bad attitude.
Let's say that I did. Which season was his best?
Wasn't behinds closed doors in the caretaker season
Not the caretaker season sorry, Martial's purple patch was during covid
Ahh yeah it was. Anyway we'll see more about Martial to see if he fights for ETH or tries to just get out the club (again).
Why didn't he continue his form into the next season which was also behind closed doors?
Like a new signing
Unfortunately it looks like Newcastle are only making sensible signings.
Performance wise I would say his first season was his best. His most productive period came just after we signed Bruno and lasted for about 5 months.
I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make anymore. Is it that he was excellent before signing the contract or that he didn’t ease off when he got the big contract? Or do you genuinely believe he was excellent for 3 years?
Didn't we sign Cavani and he sulked?
Season started he missed a bunch of guilt edged chances including a tap in against PSG lost confidence and that was the end of him. But the narrative of sulking is the one everyone prefers.
No, I'm just trying to understand your perspective. I won't argue with you.
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Wages of course could be an issue but hopefully a club feels that's worth a punt.
Martial’s wages is 10m-13m worth per year. Even a free signing wouldn’t be too bad.
Wasnt there a story one of the Glazers thought he was our Pele?
He's physically broken from the past 2 years and that compounds his already questionable attitude. His confidence is shot because he's had debilitating injuries to his knees/legs, which has limited his optimal performance/output.
He's a player that should leave if a team wants him, but he's damaged goods and whoever has him in their side has to accommodate him intelligently. Needs to feel wanted, but also understand what he's capable of contributing after 2 years a injuries and being on the outside looking in.
He's a player that should leave if a team wants him, but he's damaged goods and whoever has him in their side has to accommodate him intelligently. Needs to feel wanted, but also understand what he's capable of contributing after 2 years a injuries and being on the outside looking in.
Exactly this.
People try to overcomplicate it but you're right.
He had a lot of potential when he first joined, he hasn't reached his potential for whatever reason and so now he's just an average footballer we're stuck with.
250k a week or thereabouts, contracted until 2025.... Good luck flushing this floater.
With the divorce well behind him now, perhaps Anthony will be able to focus on the pitch again, whoever his employer may be.
he will stay here until 2025, leeching 250k per week.
and he will score no more than 10 goals all competitions per season in those 3 years,
and he will score no more than 10 goals all competitions per season in those 3 years,
Wonder will he be loaned out again if he doesnt fit into Eriks plans?
One thing I held against Jose was how he mistreated Martial and Shaw, 3 years after it seems he knew it all along. It would be a miracle if ETH can somehow use Martial, I am not sure he can offer anything.
Even though he is really a LW he's the only one that can play striker if the old man needs a break. So I guess he will get some games.
Jose can go feck himself. He wasn’t right in the slightest.
Wasn’t Martial in good form when he decided to drop him for Sanchez?
I think the series of shit managers we've had is a big part of why he hasn't developed.
Always said he was the Iberian Moyes
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