Antoine Semenyo

kanobbk said:
Ironically you've agreed with my entire point while attempting to make out that you're refuting it. It's clearly gone over your head somehow.

The exact signings that we need to be making need to be analytically driven and not NAME driven. Our fans are largely only interested in names they've heard of, if they haven't heard of them, the general consensus becomes "Who is this player? This is not the type of player that Manchester United should be signing etc". If you haven't seen our fans come out with statements like this en masse then I don't know what to tell you, apart from asking you to leave the rock which you've been hiding under. Even in this thread the same spiel is being spun, it's painful to read.

We are not that club currently. Yes we are and always will be 'Manchester United' but currently, as it stands, we need to try a different approach with our signings and sign talented young players with a bright spark/future ahead of them, as opposed to internationally known, world class players. INEOS share the same sentiment as myself, and it's proven in quite literally ALL of their signings so far, with possibly the slight exception of MdL.
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Sorry, but what's with the aggro here? I was refuting what you actually wrote in the post I responded to which, ironically, was largely not what you're writing here, but whatever. As far as I can recall, I didn't write a single word in defence of our fans attitude to signings.

Anyway, I strongly agree that our signings need to be analytically driven. I do not agree that this automatically means an emphasis on "unknown" versus "famous" players, which I would consider a rather pointless dividing line. If players are being assessed with an emphasis on analytics, then it comes down to how they fit in relation to what they cost, whether they're internationally famous or not.
 
justsomebloke said:
Sorry, but what's with the aggro here? I was refuting what you actually wrote in the post I responded to which, ironically, was largely not what you're writing here, but whatever. As far as I can recall, I didn't write a single word in defence of our fans attitude to signings.

Anyway, I strongly agree that our signings need to be analytically driven. I do not agree that this automatically means an emphasis on "unknown" versus "famous" players, which I would consider a rather pointless dividing line. If players are being assessed with an emphasis on analytics, then it comes down to how they fit in relation to what they cost, whether they're internationally famous or not.
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There is no aggro at all, so forgive me for it coming across in that way.

My original post that you responded to, referenced Liverpool' slump and their focus on signings that were relatively unknown. I didn't comment on the signings being analytically driven as it's quite clear that was what they were, hence them being unknown. Again, apologies for not making that inherently clear in my original post, I thought it was obvious.

In my original post, I also didn't use the word unknown, I actually stated that we need to look at the lesser known player, as this is where we are as a club currently, and it is what the club needs. Again, as my original comment stated, we do not need to be signing prima donnas, something that a large majority of the fan base overlooks when known player's are thrown into the mix for us to sign. I think you've read into my original comment a tad too much with the lesser known line that I used. I simply meant it from a perspective of 'Superstars' vs 'Potential Future Superstars'.

I completely agree that whoever it is that we sign going forward, they need to fit our project and have positive abilities and statistics in their relative position. All I'm saying is that "insert world class, household player name here" doesn't automatically fit that bill, again, something that a large majority of our fan base struggle to understand.

Already with the recent strong Cunha link, there are loud opinions stating that they'd prefer Osimhen. This is based off nothing other than he is the bigger household name, whereas Cunha has clearly demonstrated what he can actually provide in the Premier League. The red tinted glasses are hard to remove from a large portion of our fan's faces I'm afraid.
 
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Didbt see the game, how was Semenyo? Saw his goal..realistic option for us?

Powerful two footed and a risk taker
 
Hard pass at the asking price. For 30-40m sure
 
There was a story in BBC gossip that we prefer semenyo over mbeumo. Are both players similar? Both right wingers I presume who could also play right sided 10?
 
dinostar77 said:
There was a story in BBC gossip that we prefer semenyo over mbeumo. Are both players similar? Both right wingers I presume who could also play right sided 10?
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Not that different. Semenyo is bigger, stronger and probably faster. In that sense, he would give us something we lack.
 
Been reported we've held talks, would be a great signing. Hope there's something in it.
 
andersj said:
Not that different. Semenyo is bigger, stronger and probably faster. In that sense, he would give us something we lack.
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Mbuemo is the better player lets be honest. He also is not weak or slow
 
I’m not sold on either him or Mbeumo being worth anything like the 60-70m fees being discussed.

Both have done well the last two seasons and we are desperate for attackers but I’m not convinced they join and kick on in the way someone like Mane did at Liverpool. I see them more as players who really suit their current teams and way of playing and might regress elsewhere.
 
He doesnt make much sense for us because he's a direct winger who runs the ball and shoots. He's not a schemer looking to play his teammates in like Cunha which is the type we need to play as #10s. And I doubt we're signing him to play wingback because he has no experience playing there
 
Ekeke said:
He doesnt make much sense for us because he's a direct winger who runs the ball and shoots. He's not a schemer looking to play his teammates in like Cunha which is the type we need to play as #10s. And I doubt we're signing him to play wingback because he has no experience playing there
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We do lack some directness at times, think he has better decision making than Garnacho
 
Why do we need 2 expensive players for the no. 10 positions though? We have Bruno, Amad, Cunha(likely), Garnacho, Mount, Mainoo and Zirkzee. That's more than enough, even though some of then may be planned on other positions.
 
I feel like what we need is a goal scorer, and he isn’t exactly prolific. I bet people said this about Mane though, so I’ll defer to superior judgement!
 
Watch us spend £50m on this guy and then wonder why we don't progress as a club. When will we learn to spend our money sensibly?

His dribbling and close control is AWB-esque levels of shit. Honestly, he looks below average technique wise. Why united? Just why?
 
Devil_forever said:
Watch us spend £50m on this guy and then wonder why we don't progress as a club. When will we learn to spend our money sensibly?

His dribbling and close control is AWB-esque levels of shit. Honestly, he looks below average technique wise. Why united? Just why?
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OK then so what should we do for more goals and please don't mention either Osimhen/Gyokeres
 
Devil_forever said:
Watch us spend £50m on this guy and then wonder why we don't progress as a club. When will we learn to spend our money sensibly?

His dribbling and close control is AWB-esque levels of shit. Honestly, he looks below average technique wise. Why united? Just why?
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I haven’t knowingly seen him play, so this worries me. We need to be raising the technical floor of the team, not lowering it. Selling wan Bissaka was a positive move.
 
It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s a RWB option. I know he’s not played there but he shares some of the traits that the likes of Quenda do.

Another thing is that he and Cunha are probably the most promising and semi-attainable PL attackers. There’s 25 goals and 10 or so assists between them this season. I’d be surprised if we could even sign one of them as I expected better teams to be interested, so two would be a coup at this stage.
 
Cassidy said:
Mbuemo is the better player lets be honest. He also is not weak or slow
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Not weak, but there is a big difference between being 171 cm and 185 cm with the build of Semenyo.

I agree Mbuemo edges it this year. But mainly due to output. I’m not sure if Mbuemo is likely to replicate it. 13 goals from open play with an npxg of around 7. Semenyo has an npxg of 9,5 this season.
 
I prefer Semenyo stylisticallt. Both are strong but Semenyo I prefer on the eye test particularly in tighter areas and he's also tremendously two footed.
 
aeh1991 said:
Why do we need 2 expensive players for the no. 10 positions though? We have Bruno, Amad, Cunha(likely), Garnacho, Mount, Mainoo and Zirkzee. That's more than enough, even though some of then may be planned on other positions.
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Think you answered own question in last sentence
 
He gives me same vibes as Iwobi for some reason. And is it weird to say I used to rate Iwobi when he was at Arsenal?

Another one like Cunha where I'd be happy to have the player but the fee has to be right.
 
Teja said:
He gives me same vibes as Iwobi for some reason. And is it weird to say I used to rate Iwobi when he was at Arsenal?

Another one like Cunha where I'd be happy to have the player but the fee has to be right.
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Will be tough to get for reasonable fee as almost certainly they will sell Kerkez and Huijsen
 
pocco said:
It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s a RWB option. I know he’s not played there but he shares some of the traits that the likes of Quenda do.

Another thing is that he and Cunha are probably the most promising and semi-attainable PL attackers. There’s 25 goals and 10 or so assists between them this season. I’d be surprised if we could even sign one of them as I expected better teams to be interested, so two would be a coup at this stage.
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I was thinking the same thing. He’s very direct, two footed, great engine and good defensively (granted stats are for a winger) I think he’d be WB and Amad in front. Whether a fee in excess of 50m is justified is another matter entirely
 
Rasmus_9 said:
I was thinking the same thing. He’s very direct, two footed, great engine and good defensively (granted stats are for a winger) I think he’d be WB and Amad in front. Whether a fee in excess of 50m is justified is another matter entirely
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Yeah the fee feels a tad too much but on the other hand I don’t expect Bournemouth to accept anything less. 2 good seasons on the PL, it’s a pretty safe investment. Or as safe as you can get really without breaking the bank. I recall Fergie used to say he/we would watch a player over two seasons before committing, so he’s ticking that box at least.
 
pocco said:
It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s a RWB option. I know he’s not played there but he shares some of the traits that the likes of Quenda do.

Another thing is that he and Cunha are probably the most promising and semi-attainable PL attackers. There’s 25 goals and 10 or so assists between them this season. I’d be surprised if we could even sign one of them as I expected better teams to be interested, so two would be a coup at this stage.
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Could be a shout. I wonder if Amorim has abandoned the idea of Amad there.
 
pocco said:
If this is the plan for Semenyo then they could even interchange so they get a rest from getting up and down the pitch, and it keeps the opposition guessing. I might be wrong but he does have a lot of the traits I think we’ll be looking for in a RWB.
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Yeah sounds good. An actual attacking right wing back will make such a difference for our attacking play. This system depends on it, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see us level up massively if this happened.
 
This deal is growing on me, however still concerned about not scoring enough goals in forward line
 
croadyman said:
This deal is growing on me, however still concerned about not scoring enough goals in forward line
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Was there not a rumour on here a couple months ago (if that) that we was buying him to play at RWB. As this is gaining a bit of momentum lets say this rumour is also true and if thats the case goal output will not be as detrimental.
 
croadyman said:
We do lack some directness at times, think he has better decision making than Garnacho
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He's obviously a better player than Garnacho currently, but it would be the same thing as playing Garnacho and Rashford as #10s - playing a direct winger in a playmaker's role
 
Padded xG as he shoots on sight but doesn't score many goals, which tells you a lot about his finishing.

He's been a troll for me on FPL.
 
kanobbk said:
Ironically you've agreed with my entire point while attempting to make out that you're refuting it. It's clearly gone over your head somehow.

The exact signings that we need to be making need to be analytically driven and not NAME driven. Our fans are largely only interested in names they've heard of, if they haven't heard of them, the general consensus becomes "Who is this player? This is not the type of player that Manchester United should be signing etc". If you haven't seen our fans come out with statements like this en masse then I don't know what to tell you, apart from asking you to leave the rock which you've been hiding under. Even in this thread the same spiel is being spun, it's painful to read.

We are not that club currently. Yes we are and always will be 'Manchester United' but currently, as it stands, we need to try a different approach with our signings and sign talented young players with a bright spark/future ahead of them, as opposed to internationally known, world class players. INEOS share the same sentiment as myself, and it's proven in quite literally ALL of their signings so far, with possibly the slight exception of MdL.
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I think people generally support the idea of lesser known signings, at least on here (big social media is another thing altogether). We used to get excited about the likes of Darmian, Malacia, etc thinking we were getting these shrewd purchases just before they exploded and became too big for us to get. I think after years of those signings turning out shit, like all of our signings have, people are so much more wary of any buy now. Hell people even still held onto this about Dorgu and only lately have begun to think he's a bit shit too.
 
Pretty much confirms he’s an Arsenal fan here and definitely does not see himself as WB like people in here keep suggesting.

Arsenal makes a tonne of sense too in terms of what they need, as I struggle to see them going for Nico Williams due to his wages personally.

 
andersj said:
Not weak, but there is a big difference between being 171 cm and 185 cm with the build of Semenyo.

I agree Mbuemo edges it this year. But mainly due to output. I’m not sure if Mbuemo is likely to replicate it. 13 goals from open play with an npxg of around 7. Semenyo has an npxg of 9,5 this season.
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Mbuemo has been excellent for about 3 seasons. Not sure why you have issues thinking he can replicate.
 
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