There were as good as Nani and Valencia right?
After all they were all world class for a long period of timeI wonder if neutral would prefer Nani/Valencia to Zidane/Giggs
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After all they were all world class for a long period of timeI wonder if neutral would prefer Nani/Valencia to Zidane/Giggs
Valencia has never been world class dont be stupid.
Nonsense. If you're great at what you do it doesn't matter.
15th May 2012
In my opinion he was. Absolutely devastating for a period.
Giggs used to have games like that on a regular basis + he used to be consistently good week in week out. I cant believe we're comparing Giggs to Nani. How old are you? 10?
Franck Ribery (during Nani and Valencia's time) has been arguably the only truly world class out and out winger for me. Stupidly consistent and very very productive.
Valencia and Nani seem to pick up a fair few injuries (with the freak leg break independent of course). We also have to say its surprising that the form we've seen this season from Valencia would've been more expected for the year or so after the leg break. Most will obviously give him the benefit of the doubt next year and hope he bounces back, whereas Nani just hasn't been connected with many of us because he's been in and out for so long. You do wonder how these two wouldve done with less injuries and consistent starts, but hindsight does that.
Valencia and Nani seem to pick up a fair few injuries (with the freak leg break independent of course). We also have to say its surprising that the form we've seen this season from Valencia would've been more expected for the year or so after the leg break. Most will obviously give him the benefit of the doubt next year and hope he bounces back, whereas Nani just hasn't been connected with many of us because he's been in and out for so long. You do wonder how these two wouldve done with less injuries and consistent starts, but hindsight does that.
Form is temporary...Class is permanent
Are you kidding me? You're the one who brought Giggs up in this, feck sake. Obviously I'm not comparing Nani to Giggs, it was just pointing out how absurd your rationale was, calling a player consistent by picking out one great game that he had.
Valencia has always showed class. His form steadily improved as he got older until he went into beast mode for 6 months. Only this last season he has looked woeful.
If everyone's world class how do you define a great? For you to call Valencia world class that would put him the same context of players like Ronaldo, Giggs, Beckham, Figo. Which just isn't right.
Giggs had a number of games where he was virtually unstoppable. The rest he flirted from very good to excellent
Nani has the talent to maybe be as good as Giggs but in many games he seems that he dont even care. He doesn't back track, his decision making is wrong, he doesnt work hard for the ball.
Valencia is Park upgrade. He's stronger, tougher, a better crosser, equally hardworking but he's certainly not world class
Wasn't it Guardiola, or some other manager, who argued that Valencia was the best winger in Europe? Not so stupid
Valencia was not World-Class. Very, very good for a period - absolutely. But never World-Class.
'World-Class' gets thrown around too much, and I don't think you can just be World-Class for a period. You have to be consistent.
'World-Class' gets thrown around too much, and I don't think you can just be World-Class for a period. You have to be consistent.
Sorry, he stated he was the best in the world! Obviously not world class though...
https://twitter.com/tuski16/status/165469208682053632
https://twitter.com/tuski16/status/165469208682053632
Do you think so? What makes him world class? He's strong, I give you that, he's got decent technique a good cross (nowhere near to Becks) but that is all that. Being decent/good at United is being good/excellent somewhere else (Ex Wigan or Fulham (take the hint)).
I tell you what. Spot the odd man out
Valencia, Giggs, Figo, Ribery, Beckham
Enough said.
SAF signed Bebe for 7m
He also signed Kleberson for a sum. What's your point?
Has there ever been a conversation about either Nani or Valencia where the other one didnt come up, since they both played for us?
Not knocking it, really, as I do it myself all the time. But it really is amazing that there appears to be absolutely nothing to be said about either of them, other than that they are better or worse than the other. I bet even their birds do it.
Not knocking it, really, as I do it myself all the time. But it really is amazing that there appears to be absolutely nothing to be said about either of them, other than that they are better or worse than the other. I bet even their birds do it.
The point is that good managers may be wrong.
Good for him. He also told us Tello was better than Wilshere.
It's not just a black and white thing. Rooney isn't a world class player at the moment but he has been in the past. If Kagawa starts the next season brilliantly and scores 10 goals and 15 assists for the first 30 games, but then has a terrible second part of the season, you wouldn't say he was world class for a period?
Rooney is a different issue altogether. He's a player whose been played out of position, he's got troubles with the club etc. I dont rate Kagawa as WC yet
That's not what I asked.
I'm not comparing Nani to Giggs.
Just accept that your original "decent" statement was bollocks and let this go.
Rooney is world class. Throughout our whole team we have a couple world class players. RVP, Rooney, Ferdinand and Vidic. Thats it.
What is world class?
world-class: A world-class sports player, performer, or organization is one of the best in the world. ADJECTIVE: He was determined to become a world-class player.
So one of the best footballers in the world overall, or in their position? Would they have to be able to be in a World XI to be world class?
Can be placed in a world 11 with the worlds best and not look out of place. I.e inferior.
I am telling you the reasons why Rooney is currently not playing as a world class player.
But that doesn't mean players can't reach world class standard for a period of time before falling off. If two players have identical goal scoring seasons, with 35 goals each, but one of them then tails off the next year scoring just 10 where the other scores 35 again, obviously the latter player could be called world class but it'd be unfair to say the former wasn't "world class" for that one year period.
The funny thing about this is that at his best Valencia was more consistent than any of our winger without having the highest ceiling. If you have to be consistent to be world class then Ryan Giggs and Zidane weren't world class and that is utter bollocks whatever you take the term to mean. The biggest amount of bollocks is to suggest Nani and Valencia are just decent players.
Lame excuse and comparing Ronaldo to Rooney is ridiculous as Ronaldo is a million times better. Rooney was playing in different positions because he was pretty shit up front. If he played well he wouldn't have moved positions. Fergie said himself he was moving Wayne around to try and get some form going for him.
Is that defined somewhere?
Oh great, another "definition of world class" debate.
I think the "World Class" and general ability debate is a different one when talking about current players.
If you're to look at the career of someone who has overall been World Class, you call them that without hesitation.
If for someone like Nani or Valencia you are talking about players who have hit that height at some point in their career but have had and are enduring a quiet spell despite still just coming into what should be their peak then World Class becomes a different topic all together. It becomes one of potential. You know they have that potential because you have seen them perform at that level, the question is whether they will ever reach that level again. If they can't then can you really call them a World Class player despite the fact that they reached that standard and in the case of other players in the same scenario (Henry when he was at Barca springs to mind), might have done enough to secure the status of "World Class player" when they have retired?
The term World class can be applied when the player has one of the best whoscored.com statistics/ratings. I can pull out more definitions if anyone needs one.
Rooney was played in different positions due to the arrival of RVP. Rooney was one of our best players last season and he was one of our best strikers ever.
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