Mr Solid. Good servant, honest, hardworking player who had only one undeniably great season in his career at the club.
Antonio Valencia's Farewell Message...
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Things started to turn off for the worse when he replaced Ronaldo at the club, though bar the last year, he was a top professional and worked his Butt off to be a united player and proved himself to be very very useful.
He wasnt though.
At his absolute best he played as well as Nani when he was stuck out on the left wing.
He certainly delivered around the same number of assists as out of position Nani at that time as well, who also played less games.
And that season where he supposedly set up “tons and tons” of headers for Rooney, there was something like 5 direct assists to Rooney across the entire season.
Nani managed like 4, in less games.
I must admit its been a while since ive had to look into the figures, but I do remember during Valencias best season, he managed Nani figures, who played out of position and less games.
He has always been at his absolute best completely bang average.
By average, do you mean PL average? Like ‘the 10th best RW in the PL’?
And is there a difference between average and bang average?
I disagree with that he was average as a LW at his best. I think he was one of the three-four best options on the wing in a couple of seasons. He was very important in transition from defence to attack, moving the ball with speed, passing surprisingly well for a one-legged and seldom losing it in that phase of play. He also made us more solid at the back.
Nani at his best was much better, but Nani at his just-below-personal-average wasn’t as good as the best Valencia, IMO.
Replacing Ronaldo with Valencia wasn’t a good move, though.
I'm a bit surprised he's gone back home, I would've thought he'd do a couple of seasons at a mid table Premier League side, somewhere else in Europe like Serie A or the MLS. All the best to him though, he's been a good servant to the club.
Well I mean, here is Nanis stats:
https://www.premierleague.com/players/3447/player/stats
And here are Valencias:
https://www.premierleague.com/players/3285/player/stats
Nani, literally twice as productive as Valencia, as in returned virtually the same goals and assists, in half the appearances.
Theres a reason we are in the doldrums right now and have been dogshit for 6 years and counting, and its because we have shipped out every element of flair and dynamism and carried on with solid workman like cloggers like Young and Valencia.
Just utter balls. Utter balls.
He had a couple of fantastic seasons and some very solid ones and was way better than you suggest.
You're letting his last couple of dire ones affect your view. People do it with Rooney too.
He was decent/good for 2-3 seasons but then he got the #7 jersey and turned to absolute shiit
And Fergie said Phil Jones could be one of the best players we ever had.
Big difference from could be to is. Sir Alex wasn’t to know he’d be permanently crocked. Pep was analysing performances, not potential.
Just as side point. Tony was another of our players who bulked up with muscle with a negative result on his game. If you look at his first season with Utd, or last at Wigan he was notably leaner, while still being a unit. Allowed him to be much more flexible and agile in his dribbling.
Add in guys like Depay, Lukaku, even as far back as Beckham adding a load of vanity muscle and losing some of his mobility and you would think the club would be more careful. Someone like Gareth Bale should be a cautionary tale, adding a ton of unnecessary mass, put too much stress on his body, became injury prone and lost his great weapon, that powerful running.
Add in guys like Depay, Lukaku, even as far back as Beckham adding a load of vanity muscle and losing some of his mobility and you would think the club would be more careful. Someone like Gareth Bale should be a cautionary tale, adding a ton of unnecessary mass, put too much stress on his body, became injury prone and lost his great weapon, that powerful running.
You didn’t answer my question, so I’m still not sure what you mean by bang and average.
I’m old enough to have seen Valencia’s best seasons and Nani’s best seasons, so I’m not so confined to just statistics, and I’m not sure you provide carreer statistics to prove Nani was best to one who thinks Nani had by far the best carreer as a winger at United.
I loved Nani, ups and downs and all, and at his best, I think he was one of the 2-3 best PL players one year.
But I saw Valencia at his best for United, and he was very good then, and clearly better than Nani when he was below par.
This is Valencia’s farewell thread, so that’s probably more relevant here than Nani’s carreer stats for United.
I'm not.
There is far too much deadwood, which has been lingering for several years. Young and Jones should follow Valencia out.
I agree completely.
Our sports department needs to be seriously looked at. I'd put them all on probation for allowing some of our players to get so badly out of shape. Rooney also go out of shape. Lukaku is the latest and it could see him being pushed out of the door. At this time, Lukaku looks like he's run a marathon, after playing a match for 20 minutes.
Fantastic servant and at times unplayable, had to reinvent himself after his leg break but still did it.
Proper sad to see him go
Proper sad to see him go
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He'll be getting a (sort of) testimonial
Be good to get Rooney back for this.
Nice.
Sounds like it'll just be his club facing our current* squad in preseason so we won't be seeing old faces. Would love to be proved wrong though.
*current in a year's time anyway
World class doesn't mean best in the world. Pep thought he was world class at one point. I'll take Peps opinion over some random dudes opinion on the internet. Carry on.Never
what the hell are some of you on about? World Class, best winger in the world?
What?
http://www.redcafe.net/threads/guardiola-really-rates-valencia.388300/
https://global.espn.com/football/ne...ig-mistake-manchester-united-champions-league
Where the feck does he say he was world class??
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This guy did give his all even when he was playing out of position and was, at times, struggling to cope with playing right back.