This is it. People underestimate what is required to play in the PL. People point at everything under the sun instead of just accepting that some players simply can't cut it in the PL. They aren't bad players, they are just in a league that doesn't suit them. You can see in the highlights of Antony that he has far more space and time in La Liga than he got in the PL and hes thriving as a result.
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This is it. People underestimate what is required to play in the PL. People point at everything under the sun instead of just accepting that some players simply can't cut it in the PL. They aren't bad players, they are just in a league that doesn't suit them. You can see in the highlights of Antony that he has far more space and time in La Liga than he got in the PL and hes thriving as a result.
It' s the South Americans and the spanish sunny weather thing.
Just saw this on Reddit (can't post media):
Antony on his improved form : "The sun here helps a lot, and the city (Seville) is better than Manchester"
Honestly though, Seville is an amazing city
But this doesn't happen to man city with south American players?It' s the South Americans and the spanish sunny weather thing.
Just saw this on Reddit (can't post media):
Antony on his improved form : "The sun here helps a lot, and the city (Seville) is better than Manchester"
I think Pogba was actually such a player. He was simply too slow for the league and despite his stature he found himself on the ground way too often. I don't watch as much la Liga and Bundesliga as I used to, but when I do it always strikes me how much more protection players on the ball get in those leagues, I'm not sure how it is in Italy but imagine more like in Spain and Germany and not so much like in the PL. That means a player in the PL doesn't only need to be fast and have good balance he also needs to be willing to handle the constant physical shoving, bumping and pushing and some simply never get used to it.
Messi would absolutely tear it up in the PL but he wouldnt come out looking as the greatest of all time playing for Liverpool or Manchester United than playing for Barcelona in the La Liga with temperatures of 45○ degree Celsius per each half of football.
No matter what people say, I will always believe in playing at stoke is harder than playing in marbella or ibiza.
Antony said it himself and as someone who lives both in a stressful high pressure cold country and a relaxed warm country doing regular jobs - the differences are very obvious and hard to brush aside.
No matter what people say, I will always believe in playing at stoke is harder than playing in marbella or ibiza.
Antony said it himself and as someone who lives both in a stressful high pressure cold country and a relaxed warm country doing regular jobs - the differences are very obvious and hard to brush aside.
I fully believe all countries are created equal, and as such, words that try to belittle one against another should be frowned upon.
I’m happy he’s doing well. I think he was unfairly maligned because of his price tag. Even when he did that spin which had zero effect on the game or result, pundits were screaming for his head for no reason.
There is definitely truth about the difference in leagues. Casemiro was seen as one of the best in the world and just put in a man of the match performance in the UEFA Super Cup before coming here. I’d venture to guess he’d still be highly regarded if he stayed in La Liga or went to
Serie A. Story of United, we bought the name instead of doing our homework and realizing that for him to be successful here, we would’ve had to completely build around him to compensate for the attributes he doesn’t have for the premier league. Instead we just bought him, crow barred him into the team and paid him a fortune for it.
There is definitely truth about the difference in leagues. Casemiro was seen as one of the best in the world and just put in a man of the match performance in the UEFA Super Cup before coming here. I’d venture to guess he’d still be highly regarded if he stayed in La Liga or went to
Serie A. Story of United, we bought the name instead of doing our homework and realizing that for him to be successful here, we would’ve had to completely build around him to compensate for the attributes he doesn’t have for the premier league. Instead we just bought him, crow barred him into the team and paid him a fortune for it.
Red somewhere that he has created more big chances than any other player in La Liga since he joined Betis.
If he can get a 30m EUR move to a Spanish club, I would happily take the mantle of our worst transfer signing from him and place it on Sancho.
If he can get a 30m EUR move to a Spanish club, I would happily take the mantle of our worst transfer signing from him and place it on Sancho.
Wow we are getting good money for him. Long may his good form continue!
He’s absolutely not our worst transfer, his first season alone ensures that.
Mount is currently the worst, followed by Sancho.
We’ll get a good fee for Antony and in his first full season with us, we came third and won a cup with him being an important member of the starting eleven.
Don't disagree.
I was just basing it on financial loss - what we spent on a player and what we will receive when they exit.
Then it’s Pogba v Sancho I guess?
Looks that way on Sancho.
Pogba - failed transfer is debatable, especially considering the quality of our transfers in the last 10 years. He did have 3 good seasons.
I should have mentioned - failed transfer + financial loss as my criteria. I think you will agree Antony was a failed transfer not withstanding the first season.
I’d expect 30-35m gbp for him if he continues like this.
Atletico, Newcastle and Forest might be options.
Atletico, Newcastle and Forest might be options.
It is what has gone wrong with many transfers. Sancho, Antony, Memphis to name a few.
It’s just not a dribbling league.
It can be if you're actually good at dribbling.
Problem with these guys is they're playing 5 a side. They can only do it in and around the penalty area, in small areas, where all you need to do is create a little bit of space or put the defender off balance for a moment.
Any deeper on the pitch and they can't stay away from the defender even if they initially beat them.
Crucial part of taking people on the the ability to stay away from the defender once you've done the initial part of beating them.
Tommy Docherty said of Best after his comeback, he can still beat a defender but the defender can now get back at him. He no longer had the pace to pull away from them.
Putting Pogba up with Sancho, Mount and Antony is laughable. He contributed more on the pitch than those three put together.
It can be if they are fast and/or skilled enough. All of those are relatively average speed and aren't skilled enough to compensate.
In recent times I've watched Cunha dribble passed about 4 of our players. Mitoma too. Obviously you need to be a very very good dribbler, but that goes without saying if we are talking PL level here.
I think Sancho is a good dribbler, if he could be arsed. Antony and Memphis aren't.
Really? What gives you this impression? It could just be that the players you mentioned are just poor dribblers at PL level? They all have lack of pace in common, and general lack of physical strength (if you exclude Memphis)
That's nonsense. There are loads of good dribblers in the league and loads of clubs that utilise those that do it.
No, it is, but you need physicality first. You can’t be a lightweight dribbler that’s pushed off the ball by a strong wind otherwise you’ll never make it in the PL.
I dunno, Harry Kane did alright in it
Okay, I could have clarified better. It’s not a dribbling league for serious big teams chasing the title. But that’s not the case in other leagues.
You now and then see Mitoma’s and Cunha’s dribble - but that’s mostly on counterattacks. And in teams like that where space is given, because Wolves and Brighton either sit back or play gung-ho. I think Memphis, Antony, etc would thrive to a certain extent there too, but those tactics are rarely for big teams chasing the title.
Martinelli, Diaz, Doku, Savinho what am I missing? I think all teams have players who tend to dribble including the top ones to be honest, Salah often dribbles too.
Memphis I agree with, Anotony didn't struggle because of a lack of space, he was often 1 vs 1 in tons of space, he often beat his man but didn't have the pace to outrun them or physical strength to battle past after the bit of skill, he was often muscled out of the situation.
He said ”financial loss on transfer”, the laughable part is you being able to misinterpret my reply.
Of course Pogba was fecking miles better than those.
Nothing. They're just talking rubbish. Both City and Liverpool over the years have had dribblers that they've utilised while winning the title.
I didn’t misinterpret you, because even when you consider financial loss, Pogba is nowhere near the conversation.
Yes, you obviously did, because the poster talked soley about financial loss and Pogba is our record financial loss so far.
Here’s his bloody post man. (So yeah, it’s pretty laughable you misinterpreted that in desperation to make some point that I actually completely agree with).
We spent 105m euros on Pogba, received nothing when he left. That’s -105m.
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Scored an important goal in the final of the europa league. That alone is worth more than what the other signings have produced.
David Silva, Bernardo, Hazard not exactly uber physical monsters
United owned 80% of his image rights which contributed significantly to his transfer cost during his stay at the club.
seems like he is doing well. Of all our players out on loan/trying to get moved on from youd think he would be the one that it would be easiest to get something from.
Nonsense
Its not a no goals and assists from your forward players league. Thats what Antony and Memphis have in common at United. Sancho got some, but from playing a lot of games and it was an average return - not what we wanted
If they had scored and created goals they would have succeeded. They didnt. Its cut and dry
Alright that’s fair man. I didn’t register the word “just” in his post because no one sane would ever judge signings in that way, so I definitely misinterpreted his post
I highly doubt any PL team will be in for him. Spain looks ideal. Next options are Italy or France.
As always - teams will have no money to pay us and will offer peanuts while every player they have that we are remotely interested in is suddenly a 100m pound player.
Anyways there are reports that Betis want him on loan next seasons as well and are ready to pay 'a higher percentage' of his salary. So theyre already testing the waters with a massive lowball offer
Two of those best days were more than 10 years ago; the league has largely moved on. Bernardo isn't physically dominating from a strength and size perspective, but his speed over short distances, agility and balance are all top-class, and that keeps him ahead of most.
D Silva was never fast but had insanely good control and a great drop of the shoulder, a little burst of acceleration is all you need if your timing is right and you know how to manipulate the opponents centre of gravity.
Bernardo is just a great athlete from a cardio perspective and tenacious, I don't think he's really known for going on loads of runs and dribbling players - for example his highest ever attempted take ons with City is 92 (for some comparison Doku is on 157 this season) and he was usually in the 50's and 60's.
Hazard we must have watched different players, he was about as explosive with the ball over the first 5-10m as anyone. The acceleration from standing/on the turn to full speed dribble was superb but he wasn't very fast if you made him run 100m, sure. That's just not relevant with dribbling.
Antony is better athletically than them
I’d say he’s similar to D Silva from a purely athletic perspective.
Disagree on the others. Just watching Antony you can see him often beat a man then simply be caught up or muscled off the ball. Very rare that ever happened to any of these guys.