ABC de Sevilla apparently claiming Sevilla Betis want to extend his loan until the end of next season (2026), but they’re generously considering paying a higher proportion of his wages. Betis are not a serious club.
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They haven't really paid serious money for a player since Denilson, almost 30 years ago.
Would much rather just bring Antony back and use him than dealing with jokers like Betis or most Italian clubs and their endless loans.
Im regards to dribbling and Antony, if you go through every team in the league you're able to pick out dribblers.
Liverpool - Diaz and Salah.
Arsenal - Saka and Martinelli.
City - Doku and Savinho.
Brighton - Mitoma.
Newcastle - Isak and Gordon.
Everton - Ndiaye.
Bournemouth - Semenyo.
Wolves - Cunha.
West Ham - Kudus and Bowen.
....
The list goes on. He just wasn't good enough at it in the league compared to any of the others.
Liverpool - Diaz and Salah.
Arsenal - Saka and Martinelli.
City - Doku and Savinho.
Brighton - Mitoma.
Newcastle - Isak and Gordon.
Everton - Ndiaye.
Bournemouth - Semenyo.
Wolves - Cunha.
West Ham - Kudus and Bowen.
....
The list goes on. He just wasn't good enough at it in the league compared to any of the others.
Strange take considering this loan has allowed him to showcase his abilities and open the door for a potential transfer helping us to recoup some of his fee, as opposed to him sitting on the bench game after game with little to no interest
Betis not a serious club? They finished above Sevilla the past 3 years, and one place behind them 4 years ago, if we are comparing the two-and they have a substantially larger stadium capacity.
Martial used to beat defenders comfortably and that too for a weak United team. It’s harder in this regard compared to other leagues for sure but most good PL teams have players who can beat a man.
But how often do you see players at big teams do it? Saka might be the best and he mostly goes to the byline and crosses or cuts inside and either shoots or crosses. Same thing is what Luis Diaz usually does. You now and then have moments of brilliance from Salah, but it’s not like he dribbles past players each game.
I hear shouts on here that Doku is a good example too, and yes he’s a classical dribbler. He does however not have a regular spot in Pep’s cog-system.
Dribbling is mostly a thing for teams who have space. Top teams don’t really have the same amount of space as they do in other leagues. Just because you can point to a few examples where a top player has beat his man, doesn’t fulfill the argument for me. Mostly the qualities in a winger is whether he can score goals (Foden last year) or whether he can cross and overall it is just not beneficial to dribble a lot.
The days in the 90s when Giggs and others could outdribble the opposition is mostly gone because of overall more athleticism and better tactics imo. Succesful dribbling these days where dribbling has a benefit to the team are mostly, like you point out with Cunha, Mitoma and others where they have more space.
Maybe it’s a question of definition of what dribbling is - but to me it is where someone dribbles past a man and either goes into the box or creates something meaningful after having passed his man.
Antony just didnt have any end product here - he didnt cross well, and too often he didnt shoot well enough. Has promising signs though and also lost confidence a lot.
Rodgers is perhaps the best example of late and how his dribbling is breaking the press and forces another man to defend him creating space, there is definitely the potential for a top quality dribbler in a top team - Just look at Vinicius at RM. I think the difference here is Antony couldn't deal with the scrutiny here simply.
Let's hope another team picks up serious interest to rival Betis for the rumoured £35m we need to sell him for to not be counted as a loss. Otherwise we're blatantly loaning him out again and selling him for £15m max the year after. We need this shit to go in our favour for once.
I think they all utilise it in games. Just because the game is more tactically astute and shackled it doesn't mean that entire freedom is gone in players. Rather, in recent years managers who have been the most tactically rigid have exhibited players who encompass these qualities. For example Pep has had many including Grealish, Mahrez, Sane, Bernardo Silva etc., and now Doku and Savinho. I think they all do it so the team has a little *surprise* or flair that goes against the grain of what you're set up to defend and can sometimes provide that slight edge. If you look at progressive carries across the top 5 leagues, 7 of the top 10 are in the PL (Doku, Mitoma, Savio, Salah, Kulusevski, Iwobi, and Semenyo). The two La Liga in that top 10 players are Vini and Yamal.
Maybe like you say it's how you define dribbling but I'd disagree that it's not a dribbling league. It's a facet that's still important whether that's general ball carrying with pace to get past an opponent, using skill to do so, or both. There are examples of each in the league.
I think Antony had the skillset but not the athleticism.
There’d be no benefit to doing that, he’d still cost us 15m a year amortisation if we didn’t sell him in that year, if we sold him for 20m we’d make a 15m loss on him so it’d work out exactly the same. Obviously we’ll try to breakeven on him but anything above 20m is better than keeping him.
Alright that’s fair man. I didn’t register the word “just” in his post because no one sane would ever judge signings in that way, so I definitely misinterpreted his post
No worries.
Pogba is still one of our better transfers for me, I think after Zlatan’s injury we let him down with shite signings.
Pogba let himself down, as did most of the crap signings that left United in the last decade. It's not like he's having a stellar post United career.
Absolutely, but he was very good in his first two seasons but let his head hang the shitter we became unfortunately. It’s what impresses me most with Bruno actually.
We should not entertain another loan offer for him, especially as he is doing reasonably well there. They either sign him or feck off. This is the time for us to make some money off of selling him.
Let's imagine for a second that Antony never played for us and we just discovered this great right wing playing for Betis. Should be sign him on a free?
I don't think we can complain much about the Antony's attitude, so maybe we should give him the preseason to show what his loan spell at Betis has done for his confidence. There's no guaranty that he will do any better than last time, but neither is there any guaranty than any new signing would be a success.
I don't think we can complain much about the Antony's attitude, so maybe we should give him the preseason to show what his loan spell at Betis has done for his confidence. There's no guaranty that he will do any better than last time, but neither is there any guaranty than any new signing would be a success.
Well, no. This great right wing playing for Betis still hasn't demonstrated anywhere near the kind of speed and power required to be playing there regularly in the PL.
I would expect he might get back to his first season performances, which were 'ok' but still not really good enough. As such I'm not desperate to sell him in the way that I am a certain couple of others, but I'm hoping that his performances stay at this recent level so we can get a good fee from a club in a more suitable league.
When we have the much important context of “can he cope with the Premier League” and “can he handle the demands of United” and the answer is a resounding no to both I’m not sure what the point of the question is other than to highlight reasons why seemingly good players can fail.
The reality is we'd likely rather have him as back up utility WB or 10 but he isn't good enough to start there. The only thing I will say is United for years and years have had defensive RBs, meaning whoever was RW either had to be purely offensive to the detriment of the RB behind them to have any attacking impact i.e. greenwood or has been more of a pressing/defensive player in a system designed to free up Rashford on the other side like in ETH's first season. It will be interesting to see Antony with more runners taking defenders away from him + whilst I doubt he will transform into some kind of prodigy, we need a bigger squad.
Obviously if we can sell him and make any kind of profit, we do it, but I don't think that will happen.
Definitely yes.
Everyone would be loving this Antony at Betis and calling him the rebirth of robben.
Alot of fans overrate La Liga players with many players not adapting to the style of football in England or even just the lifestyle and environment of Britain.
Glad he is doing well, but signing him as a new transfer from Betis would have just as well been lauded by alot of our fan base & Antony would have still turned out to be a flop.
Antony said that having the sun and warmth was important for his resurgence and alot of South Americans would feel the same due to their birth country environments.
Playing a single game against an English team in an europa league or champions league once in a while is not comparable to living your whole life Monday to Sunday 24 hours in Britain.
For me, the question is whether we should look to sell him as soon as the window opens or give him the preseason to prove his value, with the option of selling him later in the window. I’d like to see him take part in the America tour before reaching a final conclusion. I actually liked what I saw in the few minutes he and Amad played together on the right, and I wouldn’t mind exploring that partnership a bit more. Antony seems to thrive when he has ball-playing teammates around him, rather than repeatedly finding himself totally isolated out wide. In theory, at least, Amorin's system should suit him quite well.
When's the parade?
Betis should crowdfund to extend Antony loan
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce8g08dj21xo
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce8g08dj21xo
And have us paying a significant part of his wages another year? No thanks.
Hope he keeps it up and makes it an easy decision for Betis or someone else to take him off our hands and books.
If he keeps his form up, someone will pay the £35 million, maybe get a bidding war going we might end up with £40 million.
As shit as he was for us, I'd rather him out there than Garnacho, which says more about Garnacho really.
Really? I'd hate that.
I don't care what he's doing Spain, Antony was terrible for us, Garnacho at least offers a genuine threat to the goal.
Does he? He has like 1 goal since the end of November despite constantly shooting on sight. At least Antony has the occasional screamer in his locker (and to be clear, I'm not a fan of his.)
Is the threat that he might actually hit it one day?
Ye a threat to notts county’s goal tonight. Did you see his shots and how far and wide they kept going?
Garnacho has double the amount of goals to Antony since he's been here, and Garnacho was just an up and coming kid breaking into the team, whereas Antony was supposed to be a superstar established player.
Garnacho is frustrating, but at least he has the ablity to get into postions to shoot regularly and try and set team mates up, even if he messes to up too often. Antony on the other hand had almost always fecked it up long before he got into these positions, and when he did he almost always messed it up too.
You reckon Antony would have offered anything at all tonight?
I'd bet he wouldn't have even had the ability to get into a positon to have a shot a off target in that game,
Now we have Antony revisionism 
People who think he's doing well haven't actually watched him perform in La Liga. For instance this was a hype video by La Liga:
Can you seriously watch that video and point out something he's done differently from United? I've watched other videos, including match highlights. He's taking the same shots, going down the same channels, trying the same dribbles, etc. It's the same performance, rewarded better because it's a less physically intense league, there's lesser expectations and scrutiny, more space in attacks and on the ball. He'll look as ineffective as he did here when he faces faster, stronger and more agile defenders, or against teams whose press will not give him that extra second on the ball, or whose low blocks won't give him the space. Of course, there's definitely an improvement in his mentality - he's gained a bit more confidence with G/A outputs, leading him to increase the percentage of risks taken than just passing it back - there's some swagger in the things he's trying. But he's not a new player overnight. Most of the narrative about his resurgence is just media hype, intending to 'do one over United' and show how La Liga is 'unlocking' talents that PL and United could not. Antony might have been an option today - but no different than bringing Hojlund or Eriksen on. Perhaps they can change things, but they're not going to single-handedly win you the game. The only player of that calibre we've let go (arguably) is just Rashford - who couldn't care less on the pitch anymore. so ability never even mattered.
Hopefully other clubs buy Antony's hype over his performance, and get us a fee. Him coming back would be disastrous, because he is simply not good enough for a club with top level ambitions in the PL.
Can you seriously watch that video and point out something he's done differently from United? I've watched other videos, including match highlights. He's taking the same shots, going down the same channels, trying the same dribbles, etc. It's the same performance, rewarded better because it's a less physically intense league, there's lesser expectations and scrutiny, more space in attacks and on the ball. He'll look as ineffective as he did here when he faces faster, stronger and more agile defenders, or against teams whose press will not give him that extra second on the ball, or whose low blocks won't give him the space. Of course, there's definitely an improvement in his mentality - he's gained a bit more confidence with G/A outputs, leading him to increase the percentage of risks taken than just passing it back - there's some swagger in the things he's trying. But he's not a new player overnight. Most of the narrative about his resurgence is just media hype, intending to 'do one over United' and show how La Liga is 'unlocking' talents that PL and United could not. Antony might have been an option today - but no different than bringing Hojlund or Eriksen on. Perhaps they can change things, but they're not going to single-handedly win you the game. The only player of that calibre we've let go (arguably) is just Rashford - who couldn't care less on the pitch anymore. so ability never even mattered.
Hopefully other clubs buy Antony's hype over his performance, and get us a fee. Him coming back would be disastrous, because he is simply not good enough for a club with top level ambitions in the PL.
Glad to see him doing well at Betis, better chance that we move him on for a decent price.
Neither him nor Garnacho are the answer. We need 2 starting forward players to play with Amad.
It's obviously not outlandish to say that they are a fairly similar level to eachother though.
It's obviously not outlandish to say that they are a fairly similar level to eachother though.
He’s saying differently at Betis. I’m not saying we should have kept Antony by all means. Just saying Garnacho is so wasteful at times. His 50/60m price tag as probably gone down a bit going off previous performances