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Anyone got an idea what we need to get for him to break even on PSR?

The loan has worked out great for him and hopefully for the club and hopefully we can get a deal done in the summer that works for everyone involved
 
Good to see him doing well over there. We should still sell him come the end of the season. Not made for the PL. Not fast enough, strong enough and doesn't get enough space to operate. We have seen him in the PL and hes not up to it. Doing well in Spain doesn't chance that.
 
Anyone got an idea what we need to get for him to break even on PSR?

The loan has worked out great for him and hopefully for the club and hopefully we can get a deal done in the summer that works for everyone involved
If I understand PSR correctly, it would be around £34m considering he is three years into a five-year contract and we bought for around £85m (so he is 60% depreciated). Happy to be corrected if this is not accurate, though.
 
If I understand PSR correctly, it would be around £34m considering he is three years into a five-year contract and we bought for around £85m (so he is 60% depreciated). Happy to be corrected if this is not accurate, though.
Before his loan move that would have felt like a stretch, but surely not out of the question now. Loan fee + wages in the mix too.
 
Scored another great goal last night (against Dave!) in a European semi-final. As with all of us, I'm only seeing the clips, but unlike some of other flops, there is a player there and more importantly there is a character there.

Of our loanees, he's still the only one I'd have back - though only as an attacking wing back for 'weaker' opponents.
Why? Why? Why? He's playing so well that other teams might be willing to offer a decent fee. The sooner he goes permanently the better.
 


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Why? Why? Why? He's playing so well that other teams might be willing to offer a decent fee. The sooner he goes permanently the better.

Yeah must be a chance to get 30m odd for him, bringing him back to be 3rd or 4th choice wingback, a position he doesn’t even play, would be totally pointless. I’m sure he probably wants to move on as well.

A sale or a loan with a good obligation is now an option, given he looked unsellable in January it’s been a really good loan for all involved.
 
I am soo happy he is scoring all sorts of goals, will be the best chance for us to sell him now. Do not make the Lingard mistake, where we tried to keep him after his amazing spell in Westham and eventually had to let him go free. If Betis do not have him, sell him to some other La Liga team (heard Atletico is interested) with money or make it loan with obligation to buy deal.
 
Don't get my hopes up like this. Any reliable sources reporting this?
The Mirror, The Sun, normal clickbaity kind of sites. I don't think it is nothing but of course until someone like Ornstein or Stone reports it I take it with a pinch of salt. We seem to be happy enough to let him go for 35M as that will makes us whole from a PSR perspective and that is certainly doable with his current form. I wish Betis could afford it as I am enjoying his redemption arc and fear another change of scenery might derail him whilst he seems genuinely to have found his place with Betis.
 
I mean what the feck... that's an unbelievable strike.

Feels like we should be getting £40/£50m for him at this rate
You know we won’t, but if he was contracted to betis and we were interested, do you think we’d be lucky enough to get him for 40? Absolutely not
 
If I understand PSR correctly, it would be around £34m considering he is three years into a five-year contract and we bought for around £85m (so he is 60% depreciated). Happy to be corrected if this is not accurate, though.
I think it’s correct, but we’ll also amortize further in the current fiscal year. So that also has to be factored in presumably.
 
Happy for him, if only because I want us to recoup some money back for him. Hope he makes a decent career of his talent.
 
I'm happy for him.

Also even happier if we broke even on him this summer.

We have such a poor hit rate of Brazilians making the grade here, that needs to be looked into.
 
He's been playing with confidence and freedom, I'm certain a team in Europe will pay a decent fee for him, £35m/€41m might be too high but I bet teams like Napoli or Atlerico would be able to afford the €40m, he's done well enough and if he helps Betis to get into Europe or/and win the conference it will make him a desirable option
 
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Apparently if we win Europa and Betis win Conference, he will get medals for both, don’t think that’s happened before in the same season, would become a legend in football and we could justifiably ask for 80m.
 
Apparently if we win Europa and Betis win Conference, he will get medals for both, don’t think that’s happened before in the same season, would become a legend in football and we could justifiably ask for 80m.
I like the last part of your post
 
He’s quite a good player. He always was. And so are the vast majority of players who have arrived here over the past decade or so. But it’s one thing playing well at Ajax or Betis; playing for an underperforming United team, with all the scrutiny and pressure that brings, is a different set of circumstances altogether.

Hopefully one of those situations where all parties benefit. Antony gets to restart his career at a high level, we can break even on a player who isn’t cut out for United, and Betis get a good player who will do well there.
 
Apart from the goal (yeah, I know), he was pretty shit against Fiorentina. Seems like the same 15-20m player he has always been. 47 year old Isco was 3 times the player.
 
If I understand PSR correctly, it would be around £34m considering he is three years into a five-year contract and we bought for around £85m (so he is 60% depreciated). Happy to be corrected if this is not accurate, though.

It's not quite that simple - what you have to compare is the PSR impact if he leaves and the PSR impact if he doesn't - because the latter is far from free in PSR terms.

For 2025 PSR:

Loss write-off: 34m

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Wages saved: 5.2m (reportedly on a 10.4m contract, and PSR follows financial year, not season)
Write-off 2025 (which we'd have to do if we don't sell him, so this is a real saving): 17 m

Yielding a net 2025 PSR cost of 11.8 m if he leaves for free. Any transfer fee received above that would be a net PSR gain for 2025.

But then there's also the impact on 2026 (wages, plus writing down the final 17m of the transfer cost). That's a ~ 27 m 2026 PSR benefit just from him not being here. And I suppose half the annual wages for 2027 (ie, the second half of the 2026-27 season) too, which yields another 5.2 m PSR benefit for that financial year.

So what we need to break even depends on whether you're counting just 2025 PSR impact, or if you take a longer view. For 2025, break even shouldn't be much more than 10m. If you take a longer view, we'd benefit significantly PSR-wise even if we paid someone 10m to take him off us. If I have understood this correctly.

I'm assuming here the writedown of the transfer cost takes place ahead of each season rather than on a financial year basis, which I don't actually know if is the case. If it isn't, then the impact on 2025 might be less favorable.

Then of course there is the third option, which is not selling him, but sending him on loan in return for part of his wages covered and/or a loan fee. That could reduce his PSR cost significantly, but all things considered it looks like a pretty good option to move him on, from a PSR point of view.

EDITS: Keep having to adjust the sums because I'm a fecking idiot.
 
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Hope they buy him! Also does this mean that we cannot buy players from La Liga anymore?
 
He's proving me wrong on this loan being the start of a downward trajectory through European leagues.

I think any other club would expect to get 40m after these performances.
 
His form could well get one of the big boys to bite! Seems like an Atletico signing to me
 
That's one of the best 'cut in and curl it from the edge of the area' type goals you'll see. Postage stamp in the top corner.

Beautiful hit.
 
I don’t know which goal was more beautiful: this one or the Fiorentina goal.