Good for him. Fair play after the torrid couple of seasons he's coming off the back of.
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
I pray for a bidding war. Maybe we get 50m for him. Plus 45m for Marcus. Maybe a cheeky 45m for Casa from the saudis.
One can only dream
One can only dream
He has no interest. Another sunshine boy. Start a bidding war and be rid of him.
He's got to go, he can't perform in the Premier league to this standard. He's found his level and his work rate and willingness to take a shot on is paying dividends.
We're the winners in this, we will get a buyer off the back of this form. Betis won't be able to afford him but it wouldn't surprise me if one of the bigger Spanish clubs take him as a squad player.
We're the winners in this, we will get a buyer off the back of this form. Betis won't be able to afford him but it wouldn't surprise me if one of the bigger Spanish clubs take him as a squad player.
Some players are suited to certain leagues, but not the Premier league. Genuinely delighted for him and we should seriously be looking at getting 40-50M for him from a la liga team with these performances.
Good. He's doing exactly what we wanted to happen and people are wanting him back. No. Sell him for 35m and we'll have done well.
Europa League has shown how much stronger the PL is compared to below the top 3 in Spain.
He would probably do ok in Serie A too.
Europa League has shown how much stronger the PL is compared to below the top 3 in Spain.
He would probably do ok in Serie A too.
You couldn't watch the Ten Hag games, eh? I can totally understand.
I only watch Man Utd games and how the squad is being assembled.You couldn't watch the Ten Hag games, eh? I can totally understand.
havent watched him but even with the last goal i think he scored that i saw it was the same exact move he does every time. Cut in, try and curl to the same post. Has he scored any goals that havent been that way? Feel like goalkeepers should just stand at that post when he shoots cause swear regardless the situation that was all he would do here.
Erm…. Did you miss his last two volleys? Including his absolute screamer against De Gea the other night?
But back to the goal at hand, honestly, what could any keeper do there? Stand at the far post, he’s just twat it in the empty net. Antony had just pulled a great save from him at that post earlier.
Weird no keeper learnt your trick with Robben.
havent watched him but even with the last goal i think he scored that i saw it was the same exact move he does every time. Cut in, try and curl to the same post. Has he scored any goals that havent been that way? Feel like goalkeepers should just stand at that post when he shoots cause swear regardless the situation that was all he would do here.
i mean i literally prefaced it by saying that i havent watched him, so erm maybe re-read it ha. If he is finally getting confidant enough to do something new, great for him. Dude was just literally a one note player here. Smart move would be to sell while hot to one of the big teams in spain. And to even compare him to robben quality wise is a joke at this point man come on.
Is it too much to hope that his current form might’ve turned a few heads in Saudi Arabia?
30-40m pounds please.
Its a very different league in Spain. Its a lot less physical and below the top 6-8 teams the standard falls off a cliff. There are no easy games in the PL these days, against lower sides in Spain there are.
We have teams picking up 90+ points almost every season, often we have 2-3 clubs a season over 85 points.
Very rarely happens in Spain.
Thing is, Antony has been playing well against all clubs in Spain, not just the top 8. Yet we wanna pretend it’s due to it being an easy league, more likely he plays in a better environment in a team that allows him to flourish and he’s confident.
Case in point is how all of Rashford’s best seasons have come when the entire team has been in much better form. It’s just easier for a wide forward to play and do well in a more functional side.
That last paragraph goes against your argument though. Antony was in the side during Rashford’s best season when we finished third and he was woeful.
Was he feck woeful.
He was actually a really important part of our side that season in finishing 3rd (something we’d give our left bollock for now), the ying to Rashford’s yang.
Rashford could work on impulse and rush at defenders without it costing us much, because on the other side we had an attacking player that was always our outlet ball and someone who was very rarely dispossessed.
That outball was extremely important, as was the balance he gave our play, not to mention how much harder he worked and defended for the team which certainly allowed Rashford to work less defensively.
Once we took him out due to the allegations, we went instead with two players playing on instinct, desperate to run at defenders every single time and losing an insane amount of possession, which put an incredible amount of pressure on our already massive chasm in midfield.
His numbers weren’t good, but nor were Park’s either when we won the league in 2012/13, scoring 0 goals from 20 appearances (Antony just 4 from 25). That wasn’t why Park was in the team though.
Looking only at numbers has always been a daft way to judge a player, but I guess he cost an absolute feck tonne, so a Park-esque performance was always going to be looked on extremely negatively. I get it.
I’m a massive fan of Garnacho by the way, but it was suicidal to play an entire season with him and Rashford together and a young bloke learning on the job up top. We just never ever managed to hold the ball in the opposition half for any length of time.
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The revisionism on here is funny. Overall Antony was super poor for us, after his first few games he became steadily less impactful to the point of invisibility. One sub performance I remember later on, he gave the ball away 5 times in 5 minutes and one led to us conceding. He is a better player than he showed but I dont think he was suited to the PL. he lacks the strength on the ball and he is limited in what he does. Regardless of what you choose to post Spanish league is less physical and slower than the PL.
You joined in January man, what do you kow about ”revisionism” on here?
This was me in March 2023:
Here’s my entire posting history on Antony’s performances that season:
https://www.redcafe.net/search/8019...472757&c[users]=Regulus+Arcturus+Black&o=date
So maybe you wanna rethink your silly accusation?
Antony was decent enough in his first season. Certainly not amazing and Regulus is perhaps overstating it a bit, but if he hadn't cost so much there wouldn't have been so much negativity about him. He was quite important in terms of us keeping the ball, dealing with the press, progressing the ball up the field and his willingness to help out defensively. He wasn't very effective in the final third but he was doing everything up to that point quite well.
Second season was when it completely went to shit and he wasn't even able to do the things that he had been doing well previously. He did have the troubles in his personal life, but once he entered that spiral he didn't seem to be able to pull himself out of it.
Balanced post.
It was the reason he was playing at QPR, though.
Seriously, I don't disagree with much. The problem is that Antony was coming as a starter, and his output didn't justify that, even in his somewhat ok first season.
Ha ha, I got the year wrong there but it applies to Park’s other seasons also in fairness.
A better example is probably Valencia, who was brought in as a starter, started 27 games at RW that season (12/13) and scored 1 goal & assisted 5.
No-one seemed as bothered back then though, these days it appears “output” is all that matters.
Anthony is the second most expensive transfer fee we ever paid after Pogba, that’s a huge part of the problem, he had a decent first season and scored a banger against Citah in the 6-3 loss.
After that little spin with the ball and then playing it out for a goal kick fans started turning on him a bit, as united fans we love flair players not Prima Donna’s,
He was never worth the money but either was Sancho, Rasmus or pretty much anyone both by Murtagh and co.
Let’s cash in and move on, 40 million should see him sold, he was never going to be able to adapt to the physical demands of the premier league, he is knee high to a leprechaun and about seven stone dripping wet
After that little spin with the ball and then playing it out for a goal kick fans started turning on him a bit, as united fans we love flair players not Prima Donna’s,
He was never worth the money but either was Sancho, Rasmus or pretty much anyone both by Murtagh and co.
Let’s cash in and move on, 40 million should see him sold, he was never going to be able to adapt to the physical demands of the premier league, he is knee high to a leprechaun and about seven stone dripping wet
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I might be going a little ott but I genuinely liked his attitude, he took no shit and worked his ass off. As I stated above, his output wasn’t dissimilar to Antonio Valencia, but Valencia cost a lot less so people could appreciate what he offered the team and not just focus on his limitations.
I also agree that he started that second season horrendously during the allegations and didn’t recover until around January when he started having plenty of good cameos but couldn’t really dislodge Rashford or Garnacho.
I might be going a little ott but I genuinely liked his attitude, he took no shit and worked his ass off. As I stated above, his output wasn’t dissimilar to Antonio Valencia, but Valencia cost a lot less so people could appreciate what he offered the team and not just focus on his limitations.
I also agree that he started that second season horrendously during the allegations and didn’t recover until around January when he started having plenty of good cameos but couldn’t really dislodge Rashford or Garnacho.
Would be a terrible decision. Laliga suits him. the pace and physicality is lower compared to the PL. We've already been down this road with Lingard and others and its never worked out.
if we cant get a decent price say, 30m for him, there is no reason he should not be back and tried again. He definitely needs a bit of confidence to get going but apart for that. he's hard worker and can be improved by Amorim, same way Garnacho or Bruno was.
Obviously if we can get those 30m and reinvest it in say someone like Dibbling or cover the fee for Ederson or another no1 goalie, we should be happy to sell.
From Rashford, Sancho, Antony, Garnacho, Bruno to Garnacho, Cunha, Bruno, Dibbling or any smart signing, could be a good start
Obviously if we can get those 30m and reinvest it in say someone like Dibbling or cover the fee for Ederson or another no1 goalie, we should be happy to sell.
From Rashford, Sancho, Antony, Garnacho, Bruno to Garnacho, Cunha, Bruno, Dibbling or any smart signing, could be a good start
Antony has a great attitude. The comparison to Valencia though is probably not a great one as Valencia could beat a man for fun with pace and power. However, Antony always played with a good attitude and I'll maintain was usually the only attacker we had who you could ping the ball to in tight situations and he would keep it and/or take us up the field. He just didn't have the physicality, passing and dribbling prowess to be anything more than that in the premier league. I'm happy he is doing well, hopefully we get a good fee for him.
Lingard 2.0
I still quite like him, just a dog off the ball and he has an important role in a 433. His fee is the issue, he's actually a very useful player to have in a squad and someone we should have picked up for £25m or so, but we can't help Murtough's generosity. If we ever played 433 he's an ideal player to bring on if you're ahead or if your going to a tough away ground, will keep the ball and lock down his flank which is a very rare thing in wide attackers these days. Also, I feel no La Liga teams outside the big 3 ever pay more than about £20m for anyone.
Personally I'd take £30 million + a makeweight like Samuel Lino from Atletico Madrid - if they want him.
Antony is having a very good time in Spain, let him continue with his fresh start. Lino is a right footed winger that has played some games at left wingback, doesnt get lots of mins for Atletico and less if Antony signs, but still has 3 goals and 4 assists including 2 of each off the bench. A player on top of the fee would give extra value even if its just a decent player who we can rotate or come off the bench at leftback
Antony is having a very good time in Spain, let him continue with his fresh start. Lino is a right footed winger that has played some games at left wingback, doesnt get lots of mins for Atletico and less if Antony signs, but still has 3 goals and 4 assists including 2 of each off the bench. A player on top of the fee would give extra value even if its just a decent player who we can rotate or come off the bench at leftback
Valencia's first season with us was 09/10.
He got 7 goals and 13 assists.
And was faster, stronger, a better passer.
Also genuinely tough, rather than teenage boy petulant like Antony.
That goal was fecking ridiculous. Puskas contender.
He has said he struggled to settle in Manchester.
There is no chance of him coming back.. its a shame it didnt work out, but that happens.
He tried.. there was no lack of effort.. but he struggled to get going.
Hope he finds a good club.. hope we get decent money to cut our losses. Some club is going to land a bargain.
There is no chance of him coming back.. its a shame it didnt work out, but that happens.
He tried.. there was no lack of effort.. but he struggled to get going.
Hope he finds a good club.. hope we get decent money to cut our losses. Some club is going to land a bargain.
Exactly this. Lad gave his all whenever he played for us. Some things don't work out. Sometimes you just have to part ways and I hope he goes on to have a great career somewhere.
I never warmed to Turn Bank Tony. However, if you added Antony’s left foot to Valencia then you would have a real top player in there.
Both very limited players, but Valencia had the physical attributes needed in the PL which Antony really lacks.
Both have good attitudes. This loan is working out far better than anyone could have predicted. Will make selling him this summer far easier. I think we would get circa £25m for him. Perhaps if a few clubs are interested we could get a better price, but outside the PL and the really top clubs in other leagues - there simply is not that much money about.
Surely doing enough to warrant some £40m bids.
I reckon we will get 40 million.
Antony I feel kind of bad for. He's a decent player as his first season at the club showed and he works hard. It is just unfortunate that he wasn't good enough for the Premier League and there's always a bit of a gamble buying players from the Dutch League. Total madness we paid £85m for him and that wasn't his fault and added to the pressure. He was also having some legal troubles with his ex pressing criminal charges and that must have weighed on him. And it probably didn't help that instead of taking him out of the firing line Erik continued to select him.