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At this stage you just have to laugh at what a bad signing he’s been.
Wing back is the final roll of the dice for him here
Wing back is the final roll of the dice for him here
‘I fear the man that’s practiced two moves three hundred times each, four more moves a fifty times each, and ten moves twenty times each’ Master Kong" Don't fear the man that's practiced a thousand moves once, fear the man who's practiced one move a thousand times"
That sliding tap in was vs Forest with his left foot:From memory Liverpool, Newport and a sliding tap in away at i can't remember who but i think Dalot also scored that day
That sliding tap in was vs Forest with his left foot:
As a sliding right footed Antony tap-in connoisseur myself, maybe you're thinking of Everton at home in the cup?ah, maybe its not this one then. Im sure he got a scrappy one like this but could be wrong
As a sliding right footed Antony tap-in connoisseur myself, maybe you're thinking of Everton at home in the cup?
As a sliding right footed Antony tap-in connoisseur myself, maybe you're thinking of Everton at home in the cup?
No wonder Klopp tried to replace Salah with Antony in 2022 summer.There's the beauty
At this stage you just have to laugh at what a bad signing he’s been.
Wing back is the final roll of the dice for him here
What are examples of bad signings to you?He hasnt really been a bad signing, people who say this are only looking at the fee we paid which was much higher than it should have been but isnt his fault.
Without Antony we wouldnt have won the FA Cup last season
5 goals and 3 assists in the league in two seasons - this isn’t a good signing in any way shape or form.He hasnt really been a bad signing, people who say this are only looking at the fee we paid which was much higher than it should have been but isnt his fault.
Without Antony we wouldnt have won the FA Cup last season
No wonder Klopp tried to replace Salah with Antony in 2022 summer.
Google it if you don’t believe it
Could well be bollocks
Is this a joke?He hasnt really been a bad signing, people who say this are only looking at the fee we paid which was much higher than it should have been but isnt his fault.
Without Antony we wouldnt have won the FA Cup last season
Only if a left wing back. You simply can’t play a RWB with a zero right foot ability, as RWB should be making passes and crosses into the box oftenFrankly, he has great potential to be a wing back. He is hard working, fast and can defend.
I’m scared to death of the thought of him as a wing back. With how it’s gone for him here, you just know he’s going to give away a crucial penalty while trying to defend in the box.
Ah if he hasn't been a bad signing, there has never been a bad signing everHe hasnt really been a bad signing, people who say this are only looking at the fee we paid which was much higher than it should have been but isnt his fault.
Without Antony we wouldnt have won the FA Cup last season
Antony good, Amad badHe hasnt really been a bad signing, people who say this are only looking at the fee we paid which was much higher than it should have been but isnt his fault.
Without Antony we wouldnt have won the FA Cup last season
I've seen effort for sure, it's one of the few things I like about Antony. The guy can graft. Whether he's too arrogant to accept playing wingback and having fulltime defensive responsibilities is another question. It's the only way to salvage his United career.I don't see it with Antony under Amorim, not because he lacks technical and physical capacity for performing the wing-back role, but because I haven't seen enough consistency of effort and temperament to succeed. I hope he can prove me wrong and he can work well under new management, be humble, be coachable, but given what we've seen from Antony since his arrival under a manager that had trust in him, I'm not holding my breath.
That doesnt make it any less of a bad signing. Performance vs expectations vs fee is what defines a good or bad signing. Should we ignore the fee since "its not his fault"?He hasnt really been a bad signing, people who say this are only looking at the fee we paid which was much higher than it should have been but isnt his fault.
Without Antony we wouldnt have won the FA Cup last season
Should we ignore the fee since "its not his fault"?
Yes we absolutely should ignore the fee as the player himself didnt set the fee.
He’s been bad because he’s played bad. On top of that, he’s been much too expensive, which makes him a poor investment and a cause not to sign better players in the same position.Yes we absolutely should ignore the fee as the player himself didnt set the fee.
He’s been bad because he’s played bad. On top of that, he’s been much too expensive, which makes him a poor investment and a cause not to sign better players in the same position.
It also comes to team performance too, whilst Antony has been poor, none of our wingers or attackers have been good for a good 18 months.
Add to that the pressure he is under, people are expecting him to do things that no one in the team can do.
Which player over the last 10 years have have looked good / worth it after 2/3 years.
One of our best signings in that time, Bruno, is also been questioned.
Regardless of the fee, he would be questioned by the fans purely because the team is so bad.
I’m ignoring the fee and changing it to a free transfer and I’ll say it hasn’t worked out.Yes we absolutely should ignore the fee as the player himself didnt set the fee.
I’m ignoring the fee and changing it to a free transfer and I’ll say it hasn’t worked out.
I'm with you on this. Also, while I understand, and to an extent agree with, the criticisms of Antony in a footballing sense, what I don't understand is the apparent hatred he attracts, even from some of our own fans. Many seem to dislike the man himself, which is honestly weird, given none of us know him on that level.
Edited to add that I'm at best slightly optimistic he can turn it around here; I haven't entirely given up on him yet. And what a bonus it would be if he does manage to.
I'm with you on this. Also, while I understand, and to an extent agree with, the criticisms of Antony in a footballing sense, what I don't understand is the apparent hatred he attracts, even from some of our own fans. Many seem to dislike the man himself, which is honestly weird, given none of us know him on that level.
Edited to add that I'm at best slightly optimistic he can turn it around here; I haven't entirely given up on him yet. And what a bonus it would be if he does manage to.
The hatred and outrage concerning Antony I fail to understand. He's done little or nothing to warrant such comments from supporters.
He has done very little to consider him a success. His football has been a failure overall. He's had some decent moments, but honestly, there are so many RWs I would have over him in the PL alone.
He is not responsible for the price, but as a player for the club, the price is a part of it. Paying 20 m for him means that we could have spent another 50-60 on other players. Spending 80m on him meant that he was supposed to be a great player, but he is average at the very best. He may turn it around, and he may work as a wingback, and he may even work as a right sided 10 in Amorin's system. I'm not going to give up on him just yet, but if he doesn't start producing more this season, he should be sold next summer.
Quoting a couple of decent moments in the cups is like saying Origi was a great player for Liverpool. He never was, and he isn't there anymore.
Let me ask you something?
What does a 80m player need to do for you to say he is a success? Isn't it all relative to team success?
Apart from us hating on City, no one is calling Grealish a flop... because he plays for City, yet he has done less for City than Antony has done for United.
Even id we spent another 50-60m on players, what Manutd signings have been a success anyway?
Yep, but he isn’t talked about same as Antony.. he was 100m signing. So from one instance you say Grealish done quite well but expect Antony to be one of the best in his position, was Grealish one of the best in his position?Grealish is a bit of a flop, surely, and he has been discussed as such because of his appearances for Villa and his price tag. The discussion on is he a flop or not is still out there - a quick google searh. Still, he performs much better than Antony has ever done for United. Grealish has actually done quite well in their treble winning season. Even some silly people put Grealish ahead of Giggs in the combined 99 and 23 XIs - nobody would imagine doing that to Antony.
An 80m player needs to be one of the best in his position in the league at the very least. He's not close to that. He needs to produce more goals and assists - he has terrible stats. He doesn't create much either, and nor is he entertaining to watch. There is very little there that speaks a quality signing.
A player may perform well relative to team success. Antony has been poor relative to a poor team; he has stood out as a poor player in a poor team with very few highlights that suggest he is anything above average, or has enough to elevate his game to a higher level.
Yep, but he isn’t talked about same as Antony.. he was 100m signing. So from one instance you say Grealish done quite well but expect Antony to be one of the best in his position, was Grealish one of the best in his position?
Last season, he barely played and the same this season. I mean none of our wingers or forwards in the last 18 months have been anything above average though, so its not just him.. its others in the squad too.He hasn’t stood out more than Rashford, Garnacho, Hojlund.
I would say Hojlund has been a bigger flop so far than Antony. He was signed and has always got to be first choice ST and can barely get a chance in a game. Is completely anonymous and has a poor first touch.