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Should we sell or keep Antony?

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astracrazy said:
So two players who have just signed, so haven't played with him or even trained with him, think he is a good fit? Right ok....
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Cunha will have played and trained with him quite a lot in with Brazil age group sides, and probably at least a little bit for the seniors. They both started the Olympic final that Brazil won against Spain a few years ago. Cunha scored the opener and Antony assisted the winner.

Still every chance it's just Jacobs talking out of his arse though of course.
 
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V.O. said:
Cunha will have played and trained with him quite a lot in with Brazil age group sides, and probably at least a little bit for the seniors. They both started and played the Olympic final that Brazil won against Spain a few years ago. Cunha scored the opener and Antony assisted the winner.

Still every chance it's just Jacobs talking out of his arse though of course.
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He is definitely talking out of his arse cause he included Mbuemo as well.
 
V.O. said:
Cunha will have played and trained with him quite a lot in with Brazil age group sides, and probably at least a little bit for the seniors. They both started the Olympic final that Brazil won against Spain a few years ago. Cunha scored the opener and Antony assisted the winner.

Still every chance it's just Jacobs talking out of his arse though of course.
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That would be fair enough then, no idea how Mbuemo would know though
 
red_de_pologne said:
Definitely? ok.. ironic
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He has a point, any other player there and it would have been semi believable but how would have Mbeumo come to that conclusion? Hasn't trained with him, hasn't played with him as far as I'm aware and if he'd watched Antony in the prem would have seen he's not suited to the league.
 
I never understood why he was frozen out. He didn't perform - but he wasn't worse than quite a few others in that respect. And you can say what you want about Antony but the times I saw him play - he always tried. Sancho and Rashford didn't. And he is probably the only one I can see in theory being reintegrated into the squad - not that I can see it happening as I expect Antony really wanting to leave.
 
I don't think Antony is great by any means but his mentality seems good in that he tries and wants to perform the best he can in any given situation. Either something happened behind the scenes or Amorim and co think he is just shit
 
lysglimt said:
I never understood why he was frozen out. He didn't perform - but he wasn't worse than quite a few others in that respect. And you can say what you want about Antony but the times I saw him play - he always tried. Sancho and Rashford didn't. And he is probably the only one I can see in theory being reintegrated into the squad - not that I can see it happening as I expect Antony really wanting to leave.
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Yep. Was completely devoid of confidence and it showed when playing for us last season. If anyone is being reintegrated into the squad, I think its going to be him.
 
When people say he has a good mentality what does that even mean? He came out and said he needed a new challenge when Amorim came in so clearly doesn't have the fight in him to make it work here. Also wasn't there a interview where he was crying about his time here? And I don't mean whinging, I mean literally crying.

Don't think good mentality is something I would label Anotny with if I'm being honest.
 
LARulz said:
I don't think Antony is great by any means but his mentality seems good in that he tries and wants to perform the best he can in any given situation. Either something happened behind the scenes or Amorim and co think he is just shit
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The issue with Antony is all about the Peter Principle- he isn’t cut out for PL level.

His attributes (run, dribble, track back, press) are not enough for the PL, certainly so for the shirt and price he carried. He can’t beat PL defenders- can’t outrun them, outwit them, out-trick them. He’s not physical enough, his range is very predictable (became almost a one trick pony), and his confidence fell when every shot he could take sailed past the far post. Then you add the pressure, the coaching, the environment, the club’s misfortunes, and it just never clicked on for him.

Some players need not only their level, they need the right environment. He thrived in La Liga and Eridivisie, so he needs to go back to these leagues to stay in his right ecosystem.
 
Frank White said:
When people say he has a good mentality what does that even mean? He came out and said he needed a new challenge when Amorim came in so clearly doesn't have the fight in him to make it work here. Also wasn't there a interview where he was crying about his time here? And I don't mean whinging, I mean literally crying.

Don't think good mentality is something I would label Anotny with if I'm being honest.
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aye he did.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...news/antony-breaks-down-tears-during-31724636

I like him just that he wasn't cut out for Premiere League. I feel it's ok if we can't sell him and he stays because he will work hard. We should not let Betis screw us over. Either he accepts other offers or Betis up their offer or he stays and fight.
 
He has a right to choose of course… But we need to hold firm, either Betis stump up the money, or Antony has to decide on an alternative option.

A loan doesn’t help us at all, and it should be refused.
 
By allowing Rashford to go on loan maybe have madr a mistake.

Now all of Sancho Antony Malacia will want loans.

And someone will lowball us for Garnacho.
 
He can rot in reserves for all I care. Betis is being cheap, it's not like we are asking 60 millions for him. Blame them.
 
FromTheBench said:
By allowing Rashford to go ob loan maybe hace madr a mistake.
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There is an inherant value in letting Rashford go on loan in that his wage is that high that we stand to gain a lot back, him being an academy product also means that we can always count on his fee being useful from a PSR perspective, hence we can ask a bit less, Rashford's standing in the game in England is also such that if he wanted to be a distraction in the media then he could be, Antony has no such leverage working for him.
 
Giggsyking said:


The journalist said to be very reliable for Real Betis news.
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I don't think he is reliable for Betis when the content in this report is so damaging to their strategy to sign Antony. This will surely create anger from Man Utd camp. This is nothing like insider information from Betis but rather a clickbait article from journalist.
 
Giggsyking said:


The journalist said to be very reliable for Real Betis news.
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We can’t allow this to happen. Sale or he stays and that is it and I hope Betis and Antony have been told that in no uncertain terms. A change in stance just shows weakness and that we can be bullied.

Clubs like Liverpool and Chelsea hold firm on valuations, so should we. He is a very good footballer.
 
Giggsyking said:


The journalist said to be very reliable for Real Betis news.
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Might be good for Betis news but I am simply not buying the Saudi story. It has been circulating for a couple of weeks now but never from a reliable source and with only sketchy details and we know Fabrizio is a mouthpiece for the Saudi League, if one of their clubs was seriously in for Antony he would be posting about it 5 times daily.
 
Maluco said:
We can’t allow this to happen. Sale or he stays and that is it and I hope Betis and Antony have been told that in no uncertain terms. A change in stance just shows weakness and that we can be bullied.

Clubs like Liverpool and Chelsea hold firm on valuations, so should we. He is a very good footballer.
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Yeah enough of these loans, pay up or feck off
 
This is gonna happen every season with another player. Club needs to put their foot down and take the short term pain for long term gain - they should do what Dortmund did with Sancho the first time we tried to buy him where they set an arbitrary deadline. I mean how can you allow a club like Betis to dictate to you how a transfer happens especially when said player has 3 years left and in a world cup year? It will be open season for the rest of them.
 
Giggsyking said:


The journalist said to be very reliable for Real Betis news.
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He rejected Saudi - so far. But once we tell him either for that anount and Saudi, or be benched in a WC year, lets see how tough he acts mid August
 
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FromTheBench said:
By allowing Rashford to go on loan maybe have madr a mistake.

Now all of Sancho Antony Malacia will want loans.

And someone will lowball us for Garnacho.
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We dont have to... Apart from Sancho, the rest are on relatively lower wages.

Rashford, maybe the club were giving him favourable terms because he is a academy lad and has done reasonably well on occassions.

Anthony... Imo if he only wants Betis... we can say we want 40m+, so you either get them to pay up or dont go to the world cup, we know how desperate he will be of that.

Sancho - probably the hardest one to get rid because football / WC is not a motivator for him

Garnacho - Same as Anthony, we dont owe him anything, if he only wants chelsea and we want 50m plus... then too bad.. miss the world cup. Again, after missing the last one, I am sure he is desperate for going.

We have to use the world cup as leverage... we need to tell these players and their agents... the longer it goes the higher the transfer fee becomes.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
I don't think he is reliable for Betis when the content in this report is so damaging to their strategy to sign Antony. This will surely create anger from Man Utd camp. This is nothing like insider information from Betis but rather a clickbait article from journalist.
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I took a look at Betis reddit page and it sounds like he is their trusted local source alongside Pepe Elias.
 
romufc said:
We dont have to... Apart from Sancho, the rest are on relatively lower wages.

Rashford, maybe the club were giving him favourable terms because he is a academy lad and has done reasonably well on occassions.

Anthony... Imo if he only wants Betis... we can say we want 40m+, so you either get them to pay up or dont go to the world cup, we know how desperate he will be of that.

Sancho - probably the hardest one to get rid because football / WC is not a motivator for him

Garnacho - Same as Anthony, we dont owe him anything, if he only wants chelsea and we want 50m plus... then too bad.. miss the world cup. Again, after missing the last one, I am sure he is desperate for going.

We have to use the world cup as leverage... we need to tell these players and their agents... the longer it goes the higher the transfer fee becomes.
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I wouldn't have even let rashford go on loan (I know in reality we needed the wages off the books) the players and clubs know we are desperate so are giving dreadful offers or loan offers. I'd be clear, you leave permanently at our agreed rate or sit the season out unregistered
 
If that report is true and Antony is conspiring with Betis to feck us, we should 100% reject any straight loan offer and let him rot for the season. I appreciate that he actually played with some effort unlike some other flops, and if he doesn’t want to go to Saudi it’s his right, but we shouldn’t let ourselves be strong armed like this. Como and Saudi who would have paid fees who he’s seemingly rejected now. His wages aren’t high enough for a loan to help us much financially either. Enjoy sitting in the reserves in a WC year lad.
 
ValenciasDrilledCrosses said:
If that report is true and Antony is conspiring with Betis to feck us, we should 100% reject any straight loan offer and let him rot for the season. I appreciate that he actually played with some effort unlike some other flops, and if he doesn’t want to go to Saudi it’s his right, but we shouldn’t let ourselves be strong armed like this. Como and Saudi who would have paid fees who he’s seemingly rejected now. His wages aren’t high enough for a loan to help us much financially either. Enjoy sitting in the reserves in a WC year lad.
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We can not call it like that. He is free to choose the place he wants to work and live, you can not force a person where to live.
 
I refuse to believe that none of the clubs are after him after his wonderful spell. He's a good buy for 30m. I would hope that him Sancho and Rashford were told they'd only be transferred. Rashford won this with the loan but his wages were too high and probably too stubborn to chose only broke Barcelona and if he cooks we might be able to get rid of him anyway.

Antony though he's our only asset we can sell to raise money for whats missing , we must play hard ball here and he really shouldnt get his pointless loan to run his contract slowly down.
 
Lads, relax. It's a clickbait. There was no Saudi interest. None of the reputable journo reported it.

So far only Betis interested and no other club. I think we may have no choice but to accept to sell his 50% economy rights as Betis proposed.
 
Giggsyking said:
We can not call it like that. He is free to choose the place he wants to work and live, you can not force a person where to live.
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He’s free to prefer it, but he’s under contract at United and seemingly conspiring with a different club to feck United over financially. If Betis rate him that highly, they should actually offer some money for him.
 
Giggsyking said:
We can not call it like that. He is free to choose the place he wants to work and live, you can not force a person where to live.
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We are also free to choose what is an acceptable bid or not for him as a player. If his chosen destination cannot afford him then both player and club need to move on.
 
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