How many £30m+ signings do we think there will be outside of PL teams, Barcelona, Real, Athletico, Bayern and PSG? It will be a handful.
Antony (out)
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
I think we have given him and Betis enough time to cough up cash, better to start sounding out other clubs and accept their offer. We can’t wait till end of time for Betis to come with their miser offers. Either pay or feck off.
Theres no money in La Liga outside of Barcelona/Real Madrid/Atletico Madrid. Thats why Betis are struggling with the 30m fee.
I'd sell but fair play to him, he's made a success of his loan move and seems willing to take a pay cut to play football.
I'd sell but fair play to him, he's made a success of his loan move and seems willing to take a pay cut to play football.
What a pathetic attempt to prove what? That I was hoping he turns out better then Nani? You have anything useful to add?
That's why I asked are Betis the only club interested. Seems hard to believe that Betis are the only club interested going off of what was being said during his loan, people where making out he was amazing.
Exactly... If they can't afford 30m we need to look elsewhere.. why are we always the club to offer good faith to others.
Betis are still recovering financially from the Denilson signing in 1998!
In all seriousness I can't see them going past the £20m mark for Antony.
In all seriousness I can't see them going past the £20m mark for Antony.
It's funny to read people say 30M is nothing or Betis are loaded and can easily afford him. Supporting a top club, one of the richest in the world, is very different from most clubs in Europe, who operate on a loss and need a positive transfer balance to stay afloat.
Outside of the top clubs who obviously dont want Antony, not many clubs in Europe can spend €30M on one player. Betis never spent that.
If Betis really wants Antony, they're going to wait until the end of the window when your back is against the wall to lower the price as much as possible because every million counts for them and they know you want to get rid of him. Unless another club comes for him and force their hand, it is the most likely scenario in my opinion. And that's if they really want him, they might want him but also consider cheaper options.
Outside of the top clubs who obviously dont want Antony, not many clubs in Europe can spend €30M on one player. Betis never spent that.
If Betis really wants Antony, they're going to wait until the end of the window when your back is against the wall to lower the price as much as possible because every million counts for them and they know you want to get rid of him. Unless another club comes for him and force their hand, it is the most likely scenario in my opinion. And that's if they really want him, they might want him but also consider cheaper options.
Which clubs do you think want a player like Antony and can afford to pay 30M? No top clubs want him obviously and clubs like Marseille, Nice, Rennes, Dortmund, Leverkusen, Stuttgart, Como, Atalanta sometimes spend this kind of money but when they do, they do it for young players with upside, they wont pay 30M for a 25yo who flopped at a big club.
Como.
Huh? Betis loaned Antony as an Assane Diao replacement after he was sold to Como
Surprised Antony isn't getting much interest - he was one of the most in form players post January.
A lot of people lose sight of even just the discrepency of what european clubs outside of the big sides, can afford. People see championship sides throwing £20m about and extrapolate.
I don't blame them at all. No one else wants him to pay what we want and he clearly wants to go to Betis. People are happy when Mbuemo says he only wants to play for us and complain about Brentford, but when the shoes on the other foot it's a different story.
It still seems that the most likely outcome is a loan back to Betis for this season with a loan fee ending in an ironclad obligation to buy for around 20M next summer. That is the formula that they have been discussing with us according to the reporting I have seen and absent any firm bids from someone else that meet our asking price we will probably end up agreeing to his return to Betis in order to get this resolved. We do of course have the right to wait until later in the window to see if we can scare up another bidder, if Betis want to wrap it up quickly they know our asking price.
Yea good point on the Championship being also loaded and skewing people's perception even more. I remember last summer when Burnley, a typical Championship club, broke our (Nantes) transfer record 3 times last summer. Sure our record is only €10M but we're a solid L1 club, yet poorer than a Championship side.
Betis is just doing what most clubs would do in this situation, it's totally standard when your means are limited. I mean, that's what normal (non-rich) people do in real life when they want to buy something a bit pricey, they wait for a discount or a sale.
they can give us isco if they dont have the money
Isco I heard was on wages as high or higher than Antony. I find it a stretch they can't afford him.
It doesn't stop there in England either. Birmingham and Wrexham in league 1 threw cash around last season too. Jay stansfield cost £15m+£5m. Crazy.
The bolded is a very good analogy to get some perspective.
Damn that's crazy. Clubs in National 1 (french 3rd division) would probably struggle to pay €150k+50k
Come on ETH you can have him for half price and he will destroy that league!
Damn that's crazy. Clubs in National 1 (french 3rd division) would probably struggle to pay €150k+50k
. It's crazy, even at the crap level I played at, there was money flying about to pay players - we're just talking county football.They’ve sold some 50 odd million worth of players in the last week, but somehow can’t afford to structure a deal for Antony? Pull the other one….
Most people outside England dont realize how big football is there compared to other european countries. It's the #1 sport in most countries but it's bigger in England. I only understand this because I played FM (CM at the time) in the early 00's and realized how many levels of professional football there was in England compared to the 2 or 3 in most countries (it was amazing to play saves with a team in conference or lower and win the CL eventually). But I wasnt aware there was so much money nowadays even at League One level.
Doesnt mean they can invest all that money into the squad again. Might be used for other costs or investment that are more durable.. better facilities, more investments in the youth set-up etc.
Yep, all my FM saves, I would have conference teams and raid all the french lower leagues (and Reunion) for free transfers!
To be fair, Birmingham and Wrexham are anomalies, but that obvioulsy trickles down. Maidenhead managed to get £4-5m for Max Kilmans transfer from Wolves to West Ham, so that will move around the lower leagues too. The prize just to get to the championship is now so lucrative, you have investment opportunities in league 1/2 and there will be plenty of interested parties trying to follow the Wrexham/Brimingham model.
How about Ajax? Surely they can afford 30M? They valued him at 80M when selling to us. Surely 30M is an unbelievable deal for them?
Wouldn't have the needed resale value because no team will buy him for a huge fee again, regardless of how well he'd perform.
They risked it with Bergwijn, and it didn't go that well.
Can't see Ajax spending more than 20 million euro's on a player anytime soon, especially after the mess Mislintat left.
Plus I think the kind of wages he is now on, and how high Antony rates himself, he is not coming back to the Eredivisie.
Well, I think Ajax is a good option and if they want him they can afford Antony. Antony was a very important player for them in Eredivise and Europe. He was a superstar.
Now available for 30M and Ajax still make 50M out of the deal. Win win for all parties.
United aren’t asking for all the money. I’d say keeping one of their best players should also be a consideration, as losing him probably means reduced revenues and no European football.
If they don’t come up with the good, it’s their loss, we’ll simply sell him elsewhere.
Not sure why so many posters are making Betis out to be broke, when it’s not true. €53 million in transfer fees within a fortnight is one heck of a income, that United won’t have not noticed.
I don't think that they would be interested but even if they were he would almost certainly turn them down. He has scrapped his way back into the fringes of the Brazil squad and will want to be playing in a higher profile league next season to try and cement his spot, that no doubt has some bearing on his willingness to take a pay cut to facilitate a move. Betis ticks all the boxes, arguably the next strongest league to the PL, playing in the Europa League next season and he already knows that he fits within the squad. They really want to keep him and we are motivated to get him off our books so it is hard to look beyond them as his final destination, we might be delaying to see if we can smoke out other suitors but as of now there is little indication of anyone else having real interest in him.
Gone very quiet on this
Horrific, terrible news.
We're keeping him?
Wrong thread?
Yes and no..
We are stuck with him aren't we?
He had his big chance to showcase his so called new found form in the European final for his summer transfer, and he blew it,
It was just the same old bang average Antony that left us in January.
I'd be taking whatever Betis will give us, and let us draw a line under it once and for all.
It was just the same old bang average Antony that left us in January.
I'd be taking whatever Betis will give us, and let us draw a line under it once and for all.
Antony feels like the most concrete to leave right now