Antony (out)

Should we sell or keep Antony?

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I'm surprised he hasn't gone, there's plenty of non-PL clubs he'd be a decent signing for.
 
Wonder what it was that made Amorims mind up so quick on him? Can't be that he just wasn't good enough, especially considering the shite that he kept and picked weekly. Not to say that I think Antony is good but surely he couldn't have done worse then the genuine 2/10 we got from Hojlund.
 
Frank White said:
Wonder what it was that made Amorims mind up so quick on him? Can't be that he just wasn't good enough, especially considering the shite that he kept and picked weekly. Not to say that I think Antony is good but surely he couldn't have done worse then the genuine 2/10 we got from Hojlund.
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He pointed towards Spain being a less physical league when asked about Antony’s successful loan spell so assume Amorim doesn’t think he’s physically up to Premier League football.
 
ThanksBoss26 said:
He pointed towards Spain being a less physical league when asked about Antony’s successful loan spell so assume Amorim doesn’t think he’s physically up to Premier League football.
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Which hes not. Its pretty clear when you watched him in the PL that he isn't given the time or space to operate and he isn't quick enough to do good PL players for pace. A slower and more open league suits him and his game.
 
Frank White said:
Wonder what it was that made Amorims mind up so quick on him? Can't be that he just wasn't good enough, especially considering the shite that he kept and picked weekly. Not to say that I think Antony is good but surely he couldn't have done worse then the genuine 2/10 we got from Hojlund.
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I think it was Antony who wanted to leave.
 
ThanksBoss26 said:
He pointed towards Spain being a less physical league when asked about Antony’s successful loan spell so assume Amorim doesn’t think he’s physically up to Premier League football.
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Fair enough. Always thought it was a bit weird how seemingly quick he got rid but didn't take it to account maybe they player himself knew he wasn't cut out for the league.
 
Ish said:
Just surprised by the lack of other enquiries or bids, considering his form for Betis.
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Our asking price is said to be 32.5M which would cover the remainder of the absurd fee we paid for him. Outside of the PL there are not that many clubs that can afford a fee of that level so it is going to be a tough slog if we can't figure out something with Betis. It just seems like he will end up going back there but it will be late in the window and it will be on terms that are a lot less ideal than we wanted.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
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I don't know why but Betis have annoyed me over this.

They want the player and keep pleasing poverty. If you can't afford him then move on.

Their president came out at the end of the season bigging up how much they have done to rehabilitate him and talking about more loans and player sharing.
 
Gandalf said:
Our asking price is said to be 32.5M which would cover the remainder of the absurd fee we paid for him. Outside of the PL there are not that many clubs that can afford a fee of that level so it is going to be a tough slog if we can't figure out something with Betis. It just seems like he will end up going back there but it will be late in the window and it will be on terms that are a lot less ideal than we wanted.
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I don't think another loan helps us really. In fact a poor loan spell does more damage than good. It's probably a moot point because I doubt Amorim even has a use for him, but I'd have him back before sending him on another loan.

If nothing else because I hate the idea of rewarding these clubs that just sit there all window, safe in the knowledge that we'll give them what they wanted all along at the 11th hour, just to get them out the door. Make him Dorgu's competition for all I care, but it should be full sale or nothing.
 
Gandalf said:
Our asking price is said to be 32.5M which would cover the remainder of the absurd fee we paid for him. Outside of the PL there are not that many clubs that can afford a fee of that level so it is going to be a tough slog if we can't figure out something with Betis. It just seems like he will end up going back there but it will be late in the window and it will be on terms that are a lot less ideal than we wanted.
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Yeah, good point, and I do agree. Though they also just sold two players I believe - so if they really want him so badly, they could at least put in a bid. I could understand if the wages became a sticky point but it also feels like they’re just trying to milk us for another loan.

Would’ve hoped some Italian clubs (like napoli) or atletico showed some interest but it seems not
 
Gandalf said:
Our asking price is said to be 32.5M which would cover the remainder of the absurd fee we paid for him. Outside of the PL there are not that many clubs that can afford a fee of that level so it is going to be a tough slog if we can't figure out something with Betis. It just seems like he will end up going back there but it will be late in the window and it will be on terms that are a lot less ideal than we wanted.
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I think he will go on loan with obligation to buy for the 20 odd million left on the books next summer. I can’t see us getting a much better deal than that.
 
Of all the misfits, Antony would be the one I'd like to keep if possible. His goal contributions rate is negligible, but he does work hard off the ball. Obviously in retrospect this was one of many daft ETH signings, but he's here and his wages make a move unlikely so let's integrate him into our plans while management do whatever needs to get done to get rid of Rashford and Sancho, and then see what's doable in the market for Garnacho, who would be a decent backup option behind Cunha if no club is interested in the mercurial Argie.
 
lex talionis said:
Of all the misfits, Antony would be the one I'd like to keep if possible. His goal contributions rate is negligible, but he does work hard off the ball. Obviously in retrospect this was one of many daft ETH signings, but he's here and his wages make a move unlikely so let's integrate him into our plans while management do whatever needs to get done to get rid of Rashford and Sancho, and then see what's doable in the market for Garnacho, who would be a decent backup option behind Cunha if no club is interested in the mercurial Argie.
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Why? We will have 6 players for the no 10 positions, he is no WB and Amorim does not rate him. Should be sold for 20m, better suited to La Liga.
 
lex talionis said:
Of all the misfits, Antony would be the one I'd like to keep if possible. His goal contributions rate is negligible, but he does work hard off the ball. Obviously in retrospect this was one of many daft ETH signings, but he's here and his wages make a move unlikely so let's integrate him into our plans while management do whatever needs to get done to get rid of Rashford and Sancho, and then see what's doable in the market for Garnacho, who would be a decent backup option behind Cunha if no club is interested in the mercurial Argie.
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If his wages are making a move unlikely time to take a pay cut or sit out for a WC year. All 4 should be treated the exact same find a club or sit out for a year. For the high earners loans would suffice but for Garnacho, me personally I'd eat the 50k p/w and make him play reserves for the repeated disrespect if he can't get a move.
 
Frank White said:
If his wages are making a move unlikely time to take a pay cut or sit out for a WC year. All 4 should be treated the exact same find a club or sit out for a year. For the high earners loans would suffice but for Garnacho, me personally I'd eat the 50k p/w and make him play reserves for the repeated disrespect if he can't get a move.
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To be fair he is not on especially high wages by our standards and has already offered to take a 30% pay cut to go back to Betis. The sticking point is they cannot meet our valuation as they are operating on a pretty tight budget and so have proposed a deal where they pay us a loan fee of some sort with a firm obligation to buy next summer in order to spread out the impact on their finances. We are reluctant to take this offer but might be forced to if no other offers are forthcoming and to add another layer of complexity they seem to be trying to haggle with the player to take an even steeper pay cut which is a bit of a bloody cheek quite frankly.
 
Gandalf said:
To be fair he is not on especially high wages by our standards and has already offered to take a 30% pay cut to go back to Betis. The sticking point is they cannot meet our valuation as they are operating on a pretty tight budget and so have proposed a deal where they pay us a loan fee of some sort with a firm obligation to buy next summer in order to spread out the impact on their finances. We are reluctant to take this offer but might be forced to if no other offers are forthcoming and to add another layer of complexity they seem to be trying to haggle with the player to take an even steeper pay cut which is a bit of a bloody cheek quite frankly.
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So basically the same situation as Rashford and Barcelona. Both players want specific clubs and both clubs can't afford either one. Should made clear to them that if a loan is the only option unless they get their full wages covered and/or a decent loan fee both are staying put. In a WC year I'm assuming both have international aspirations so call their bluff.
 
Frank White said:
So basically the same situation as Rashford and Barcelona. Both players want specific clubs and both clubs can't afford either one. Should made clear to them that if a loan is the only option unless they get their full wages covered and/or a decent loan fee both are staying put. In a WC year I'm assuming both have international aspirations so call their bluff.
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Not really. We have no other offers for Antony, we want 30M and nobody is willing to pay it. He is doing everything he can to push the move through but the clubs have yet to agree a formula to make it happen, I do think they will compromise eventually though. A lot of stories today saying they are offering a loan with an obligation to buy for 20M at the end of the season and crucially they have added in a 30% sell on clause to the proposal. It may be that clauses can bridge the gap between what we want and what they can pay but there is a clear will on all sides to get something done including the player offering to take a pay cut.

I am not aware of Rashford doing anything of the sort, he is sitting on his bloated contract and insisting he only wants Barca despite them checking in on every other left sided attacker in Europe ahead of him, they will likely end up signing Dan James before him.
 
Gandalf said:
Not really. We have no other offers for Antony, we want 30M and nobody is willing to pay it. He is doing everything he can to push the move through but the clubs have yet to agree a formula to make it happen, I do think they will compromise eventually though. A lot of stories today saying they are offering a loan with an obligation to buy for 20M at the end of the season and crucially they have added in a 30% sell on clause to the proposal. It may be that clauses can bridge the gap between what we want and what they can pay but there is a clear will on all sides to get something done including the player offering to take a pay cut.

I am not aware of Rashford doing anything of the sort, he is sitting on his bloated contract and insisting he only wants Barca despite them checking in on every other left sided attacker in Europe ahead of him, they will likely end up signing Dan James before him.
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Where are you seeing that? Rashford has said he's willing to take a pay cut to join Barca too. Betis might want Antony more but their situations are very similar right now.
 
Frank White said:
Where are you seeing that? Rashford has said he's willing to take a pay cut to join Barca too. Betis might want Antony more but their situations are very similar right now.
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I guess I see the difference in Rashford saying he wants Barca and ruling out moves to a whole host of other potential destinations, for example saying he won't play for a London club even knowing Aresenal were looking for a left sided attacker. He has been reported as being willing to take a wage cut but only in connection with a move to Barca who to date have shown little interest in him.

Antony is stuck because Betis are the only club showing any real interest and it is our demands that are preventing the move. I might be wrong but I am fairly sure he would do whatever was needed to facilitate a move to any serious bidders and I just don't get that same sense with Rashford who is trying to manifest his move to a club that quite clearly thinks he is beneath them.
 
Frank White said:
If his wages are making a move unlikely time to take a pay cut or sit out for a WC year. All 4 should be treated the exact same find a club or sit out for a year. For the high earners loans would suffice but for Garnacho, me personally I'd eat the 50k p/w and make him play reserves for the repeated disrespect if he can't get a move.
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If we can do a deal with a club that does not require that we subsidize his wages, then count me in. We're all on board here with wanting to get rid of all misfits, but the must-get-rid of the four are clearly Rashford and Sancho. How we do that, given their wage demands and general shitness as footballers, is hard to envision. But at least with Antony it is possible to envision some kind of contribution, in contrast to Rashford and Sancho who would like to have their proverbial cake and eat it to (a daft phrase, btw).

If we need to make a lesson of anyone, it has to be Rashford and Sancho. If they refuse to budge on their wage demands, we can pay them to scrape the boots of players who are willing to work hard and do whatever the team needs...players like Antony. That said, the case for selling Antony is strong, but it has to be a clean break and no wage subsidies.
 
You though that after the good loan spell at Betis we will be getting many suitors for this guy, but there's no link with other teams. Only Betis who doesn't have the cash to buy him. It's so hard for us to sell players. Even someone like Anthony who is willing to take a pay cut on his salary.
 
If only Betis is interested or Antony only want Betis but they can't pay up. Then, what's the alternative? If we go too cheap we will even lose his remaining PSR value which is believed to be 30M.

Maybe the solution is another year of loan with obligation to buy next season for 20M. By then the remaining PSR value should be around that figure?

It's unbelievable that Antony can't even attract a club to pay 30M for him. And we paid 80M. Thanks Murtough and ETH.
 
It's actually a bit mind boggling that there aren't a number of teams in for him given his form in Spain and his price tag. I wonder if Nottingham Forrest might take a look at him for their right wing now they've sold Elanga, or maybe West Ham if Spurs manage to sign Kudus.

I agree with the above poster that he'd be the misfit player I'd be happy with keeping.
 
FlawlessVictory88 said:
It's actually a bit mind boggling that there aren't a number of teams in for him given his form in Spain and his price tag. I wonder if Nottingham Forrest might take a look at him for their right wing now they've sold Elanga, or maybe West Ham if Spurs manage to sign Kudus.

I agree with the above poster that he'd be the misfit player I'd be happy with keeping.
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Why would Forest be interested when his time at Utd confirmed that he isn't an upper tier PL level winger. Horrible pace, can't beat a man 1v1 to save life.
He is much better suited for La Liga or Serie A and would be absolutely foolish to move to another EPL club
 
Pepesuave said:
Why would Forest be interested when his time at Utd confirmed that he isn't an upper tier PL level winger. Horrible pace, can't beat a man 1v1 to save life.
He is much better suited for La Liga or Serie A and would be absolutely foolish to move to another EPL club
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It’s the lack of pace. I remember the first time I saw him play in the flesh. Was probably a few months after he signed and we had a counter attack that petered out because he was too slow and couldn’t use his right foot. Stretford End were grumbling even then.

When Amorim says we haven’t got the physical levels for the Premier League, this is what he’s talking about.
 
I think he will be the first to go - La Liga clubs should be interested enough to stump up the £25m ish
 
ElectroManiac said:
You though that after the good loan spell at Betis we will be getting many suitors for this guy, but there's no link with other teams. Only Betis who doesn't have the cash to buy him. It's so hard for us to sell players. Even someone like Anthony who is willing to take a pay cut on his salary.
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Indeed. He was playing like a star for them both in La Liga and in Europe. A player his age, with a good spell at Ajax too, and who competed for the RW spot for Brazil with Raphinha just two years ago, and who went to a giant club for €95m three years ago, you would expect some club to take a punt at him for more than €30m.

I suspect the factor weighs in that Man United have become an enormous negative PR machine, what with the combination of systematic underachievement, huge interest from the critical media, and an emormous and disgruntled fan base.

A player having a bad couple of seasons is repeated so many million times it becomes a truth that that’s his level.
 
Pepesuave said:
Why would Forest be interested when his time at Utd confirmed that he isn't an upper tier PL level winger. Horrible pace, can't beat a man 1v1 to save life.
He is much better suited for La Liga or Serie A and would be absolutely foolish to move to another EPL club
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Like Elanga? Or Odoi? Or Gibbs White? None of them were upper tier PL level wingers/forwards.

Antony actually numbers in the premier league weren't bad, just not worth 80m, easily worth 30m.
 
I'm not sure he will go to Betis. Mitten confirmed yesterday they definitely want him but have had financial issues for years, and definitely do not go near either the fee or wage bracket it will be for him.
 
Gandalf said:
To be fair he is not on especially high wages by our standards and has already offered to take a 30% pay cut to go back to Betis. The sticking point is they cannot meet our valuation as they are operating on a pretty tight budget and so have proposed a deal where they pay us a loan fee of some sort with a firm obligation to buy next summer in order to spread out the impact on their finances. We are reluctant to take this offer but might be forced to if no other offers are forthcoming and to add another layer of complexity they seem to be trying to haggle with the player to take an even steeper pay cut which is a bit of a bloody cheek quite frankly.
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Five, our loan fee is 30m
 
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