[applauds] Fredthered, Mickthered, 26th, Ladybarn, Redfan, VR and whoever else.

[The Hairdryer]

This isn't a wind-up, I think you all deserve a round of applause for managing to stick to your boycott for the entire season. I don't care what anyone says, but after being match going reds for so long must have been tough. Especially with some of the football we've been playing of late. I'm sure with tickets being available on the gate for the last few matches it must have been tempting to just "pop in" for a look.

Even though we disagree entirely on the issue. You had your principles from the outset and you've stuck to them and even though you've had FC, which I'm sure no doubt helped, I don't believe for a second it could ever replace (real) United, IMHO it would be what a methodone shot to a herion addict. I hope the next 12 months bring you a lot more joy than the last (particularly redfan).

Now kindly feck off splitters....

Wrong forum.

 

[wancolos]

vR?

 

[fredthered]

This isn't a wind-up, I think you all deserve a round of applause for managing to stick to your boycott for the entire season. I don't care what anyone says, but after being match going reds for so long must have been tough. Especially with some of the football we've been playing of late. I'm sure with tickets being available on the gate for the last few matches it must have been tempting to just "pop in" for a look.

Even though we disagree entirely on the issue. You had your principles from the outset and you've stuck to them and even though you've had FC, which I'm sure no doubt helped, I don't believe for a second it could ever replace (real) United, IMHO it would be what a methodone shot to a herion addict. I hope the next 12 months bring you a lot more joy than the last (particularly redfan).

Now kindly feck off splitters....

Wrong forum.

THank you


And yes you are right, I have on one or two occasions been tempted to have a little peek, but then you read posts by fans who went saying how bad its got, and you feel slightly glad you didnt.

FC has helped, and in fact without FC I think I most probably would have just said feck it, and gone back, but seeing those at FC and knowing others are still boycotting, it kind of makes you realise that theres more to all this than just watching football.

I will go back one day, I know i will, but likewise I know that will never be whilst Glazer is there..

 

[Big Andy]

26 was wavering for the boro game, wavering big time...

he held firm in the face of severe provocation though...

 

[Transfer Muppet]

Principles my ass. The main principal of a fan should be to support their club even when things are going wrong. These people jumped ship. We don't need fans like this in football.

 

[Transfer Muppet]

THank you


And yes you are right, I have on one or two occasions been tempted to have a little peek, but then you read posts by fans who went saying how bad its got, and you feel slightly glad you didnt.

FC has helped, and in fact without FC I think I most probably would have just said feck it, and gone back, but seeing those at FC and knowing others are still boycotting, it kind of makes you realise that theres more to all this than just watching football.

I will go back one day, I know i will, but likewise I know that will never be whilst Glazer is there..

If your not going backwhiloe the Glazers own it then you may never be going back.

 

[fredthered]

If your not going backwhiloe the Glazers own it then you may never be going back.

So be it.

Then I just become an armchair United supporter.. Like many on here...

 

[VanNistelrater]

Though I share different aims and intentions (I dont want to see the club bought to its knees to oust the Gimps), I wasnt able to stomach the thought of going and condoning the Glazers after I protested against them last year.

The way I see it is, I fought in a war that I, or we, lost, and I have to pay the consequences of that really.

 

[Redfighter]

Yep, go and watch Fake Club United, I'm sure they'll keep you warm at night.

Nice thread this, but I do completely respect your discipline those of you who boycotted our club, it's very hard to abandon those you love in their time of need.

 

[VanNistelrater]

It's not as simple as that RF.

It would be absurd to have campaigned and protested against the takeover for so long and be so rigid in their promises and opposition to then effectively condone it by going to OT under his regime.

I dont want to see any harm done to the club (though im sure it will happen) so im not encouraging people to boycott and bring the club to it's knees, I dont have my own anti-club/Ferguson agenda as people like Fred do, in my opinion its very much an individuals decision whether it feels right or not, im not trying to acheive any far-fetched utopia or socialist babble, and im no martyr, I just have to pay reparations for a war lost, as it were.

 

[mickthered]

Found it hard for the league Cup final

was offered a free ticket and also a free lift there and back
But turned it down

Have had to make do with watching and cheering at Big United on a tv screen like many others this season

 

[Redfighter]

It's not as simple as that RF.

It would be absurd to have campaigned and protested against the takeover for so long and be so rigid in their promises and opposition to then effectively condone it by going to OT under his regime.

I dont want to see any harm done to the club (though im sure it will happen) so im not encouraging people to boycott and bring the club to it's knees, I dont have my own anti-club/Ferguson agenda as people like Fred do, in my opinion its very much an individuals decision whether it feels right or not, im not trying to acheive any far-fetched utopia or socialist babble, and im no martyr, I just have to pay reparations for a war lost, as it were.

I understand that man, and thanks for your honesty. But if things get better for this great club, if we win the title next season, progress on and off the pitch and the debt, despite existing, shows little signs of affecting us, will you be able to come back and accept that maybe you overreacted at the time. I'm not saying you should sing song about how great the Glazers are, I'm not, but it sounds like you are having difficulty swallowing your pride.

 

[VanNistelrater]

Its nothing to do with how well the team do, my support for them on that front never wavers, and I go to away games as often as I can.

It is a pride thing, you're right. But it would also be hypocritical to have said I wouldnt go under a Glazer regime and then do so, it would just feel wrong to effectively condone the Glazers takeover, I just cannot do that. Which is sad, but you're right, it is ultimately a pride thing, and it is a principle thing.

Plus in truth the atmosphere at OT depresses me sometimes, as it does for all other Premiership grounds to be fair.

All in all, if I was to go to OT, with the guilt of the Glazers hanging over me and the atmosphere, I simply wouldnt enjoy it, and that is the key question you have to ask yourself; would you have a good time? I really dont think I would.

 

[fredthered]

I understand that man, and thanks for your honesty. But if things get better for this great club, if we win the title next season, progress on and off the pitch and the debt, despite existing, shows little signs of affecting us, will you be able to come back and accept that maybe you overreacted at the time. I'm not saying you should sing song about how great the Glazers are, I'm not, but it sounds like you are having difficulty swallowing your pride.

But the trophies are not the point here.

I couldnt care less if United win the quadruple next season, I still wont give my money to the Banks, in order that Glazer gets hold of United.

United will win the league again, maybe under GLazer, they might win the CL next season. It doesnt alter anything. Yes United might be a bit further from Glazer fecking United up, but that still doesnt make it right.

This has nothing to do with what United can or cant win under the Glazers. Its about whether he should be at the club or not.

 

[Striker10]

I have to dsagree fred it's about what you think you can do about removing him from the club. I take it the reason you guys did this was because in the long run you wanted to remove glazer, i trust that's still the idea?..

 

[Bilbo]

But the trophies are not the point here.

I couldnt care less if United win the quadruple next season, I still wont give my money to the Banks, in order that Glazer gets hold of United.

United will win the league again, maybe under GLazer, they might win the CL next season. It doesnt alter anything. Yes United might be a bit further from Glazer fecking United up, but that still doesnt make it right.

This has nothing to do with what United can or cant win under the Glazers. Its about whether he should be at the club or not.

Honest question this:

Do you not ever feel that you are cutting off your nose to spite your face? I appreciate that everyone has principles but, the way I see it, by not going back you are giving up even more to the Glazers. Bottom line, United still exist and life goes on (albeit with inevitable changes), but you personally have allowed the Glazers to take something away from you and your life that meant something and brought you pleasure.

An initial protest was worthy and also necessary, but United have played some great football this year and you are depriving yourself of being there. In all honesty, I hope you can agree that the few thousand or so fans that have boycotted the club have not affected the Glazers at all. Tickets are still being sold.

At the end of the day, if the Glazers keep the club and you never again attend a match, do you not feel that you personally would have been the only party to have lost out in this?

 

[BezsMaracas]

Found it hard for the league Cup final

was offered a free ticket and also a free lift there and back
But turned it down

Have had to make do with watching and cheering at Big United on a tv screen like many others this season

Same here, almost went along with my dad but ended up persuading myself against it, and in a way i'm glad. Was very very tempted for the Charlton game as well, especially being the final game and its always a fun day out.

I can't see myself going to a game again for a long time unless something drastic changes, both at United and with the rest of football.

 

[BezsMaracas]

Honest question this:

Do you not ever feel that you are cutting off your nose to spite your face? I appreciate that everyone has principles but, the way I see it, by not going back you are giving up even more to the Glazers. Bottom line, United still exist and life goes on (albeit with inevitable changes), but you personally have allowed the Glazers to take something away from you and your life that meant something and brought you pleasure.

An initial protest was worthy and also necessary, but United have played some great football this year and you are depriving yourself of being there. In all honesty, I hope you can agree that the few thousand or so fans that have boycotted the club have not affected the Glazers at all. Tickets are still being sold.

At the end of the day, if the Glazers keep the club and you never again attend a match, do you not feel that you personally would have been the only party to have lost out in this?

The Glazers were the last straw for me, I was already feeling like I didn't belong there at the start of last season, surrounded by complete cnuts nearly every game, no atmosphere and ever increasing ticket prices. The Glazers coming in just made it an easier decision to make for me.

 

[fredthered]

Honest question this:

Do you not ever feel that you are cutting off your nose to spite your face? I appreciate that everyone has principles but, the way I see it, by not going back you are giving up even more to the Glazers. Bottom line, United still exist and life goes on (albeit with inevitable changes), but you personally have allowed the Glazers to take something away from you and your life that meant something and brought you pleasure.

An initial protest was worthy and also necessary, but United have played some great football this year and you are depriving yourself of being there. In all honesty, I hope you can agree that the few thousand or so fans that have boycotted the club have not affected the Glazers at all. Tickets are still being sold.

At the end of the day, if the Glazers keep the club and you never again attend a match, do you not feel that you personally would have been the only party to have lost out in this?

Fair points, well put so I will try and give my views in the best way I can.

Firstly, as I have already said, the football isnt the issue. I still get to watch United play great football. Stopping going to OT doesnt suddenly stop you seeing the TV as well. I still watch as many games as I can, and cheer as much in the pub as I ever did at OT.

The ticket situation - Firstly, we all know tickets are easier to get now, how much of that is down to FC is pure speculation, but we all know tickets arent selling as they used to. That is a fact no one can deny. There have been more cases of United having tickets on general sale than ever before. Its been easier to get hold of STs. Yes OT will sell out for most games, but the numbers who apply have dropped, and any further drop will see gaps appearing. If you are a One United member now, you are nigh on assured a ticket for any game at OT you want to go to, which hasnt been the case before.

Have I cut off my nose to spite my face - No because it feels right, and no matter how much United win, no matter what I end up missing, in my heart I know I have done the right thing, and having 2000+ people around me thinking the same certainly makes that conclusion easier to reach.

Finally you say I might be the only one to have lost out. I havent lost out. if anything I have gained from it, because I have seen the other side of football, seen how football is away from the Premiership. And believe me, its an experience every United fan should take up because it teaches you a bit of humility, gives you an insight into how football is, and more importantly you see what a real football community is all about. You imagine turning up at games and knowing all the people around you. Not just by sight, but by name. You talk to everyone, you join in with everyone. You become an extended family. Thats something you just dont get at premiership football.

I have learnt far more from FC United about football than I have in 30 years of going to top flight football, and the biggest thing I have learnt is that those at the top are corrupt, taking all the money for themselves, and couldnt care less about the grass roots.

 

[Redfighter]

Fair points, well put so I will try and give my views in the best way I can.

Firstly, as I have already said, the football isnt the issue. I still get to watch United play great football. Stopping going to OT doesnt suddenly stop you seeing the TV as well. I still watch as many games as I can, and cheer as much in the pub as I ever did at OT.

The ticket situation - Firstly, we all know tickets are easier to get now, how much of that is down to FC is pure speculation, but we all know tickets arent selling as they used to. That is a fact no one can deny. There have been more cases of United having tickets on general sale than ever before. Its been easier to get hold of STs. Yes OT will sell out for most games, but the numbers who apply have dropped, and any further drop will see gaps appearing. If you are a One United member now, you are nigh on assured a ticket for any game at OT you want to go to, which hasnt been the case before.

Have I cut off my nose to spite my face - No because it feels right, and no matter how much United win, no matter what I end up missing, in my heart I know I have done the right thing, and having 2000+ people around me thinking the same certainly makes that conclusion easier to reach.

Finally you say I might be the only one to have lost out. I havent lost out. if anything I have gained from it, because I have seen the other side of football, seen how football is away from the Premiership. And believe me, its an experience every United fan should take up because it teaches you a bit of humility, gives you an insight into how football is, and more importantly you see what a real football community is all about. You imagine turning up at games and knowing all the people around you. Not just by sight, but by name. You talk to everyone, you join in with everyone. You become an extended family. Thats something you just dont get at premiership football.

I have learnt far more from FC United about football than I have in 30 years of going to top flight football, and the biggest thing I have learnt is that those at the top are corrupt, taking all the money for themselves, and couldnt care less about the grass roots.

I think that's rather simplistic fred. Although United are my first love as a team I grew up in Southport and attended Haig Avenue regularly. The atomosphere was great because I went with the friends week in, week out. We chanted, laughed, got shouted at by stewards for heckling players etc and we pretty much knew everyone around us. But the average attendance was 2500 and mostly terraces. OT is a different matter, being all seater has ruined some of the atomosphere and the influx of non-die hard fans during the 90's. It's the same everywhere as you say. But if Southport got back to back promotions and ended up with 40'000 crowds, which would be half the town, then do you think things would be different. Maybe they'd go PLC and get bought by an American. My point is that you're dismissing the club as media, money whore. That might be true to some extent and we are a victim of our own success, but under all that I can still see the team that my dad used to take me to watch.

 

[junited]

Principles my ass. The main principal of a fan should be to support their club even when things are going wrong. These people jumped ship. We don't need fans like this in football.

God will someone give me this little scrotes address so me and the girls can kick his ass.

 

[fredthered]

God will someone give me this little scrotes address so me and the girls can kick his ass.

Save the energy..

Just send the girls..

 

[northroad1878]

As a "whoever else", and as we're indulging in a bit of backslapping, can I congratulate you right back on your efforts in aid of anglo-American relations. Top job. You've made our new owners very, very welcome.

[Applauds, but very, very slowly, with as much sarcasm as two hands hitting each other can muster]

 

[fredthered]

As a "whoever else", and as we're indulging in a bit of backslapping, can I congratulate you right back on your efforts in aid of anglo-American relations. Top job. You've made our new owners very, very welcome.

[Applauds, but very, very slowly, with as much sarcasm as two hands hitting each other can muster]

Oooooh catty....

 

[northroad1878]

Well.... listen to them still!

 

[redfan]

Principles my ass. The main principal of a fan should be to support their club even when things are going wrong. These people jumped ship. We don't need fans like this in football.

And what would you know about principles.

 

[redfan]

I have to dsagree fred it's about what you think you can do about removing him from the club. I take it the reason you guys did this was because in the long run you wanted to remove glazer, i trust that's still the idea?..

Glazer was the straw that broke the camels back for me, I was opposed to him coming to OT and stated that if he got control I would not give a penny more, and I might add that thousands had that view, wonder where they went. But there was another factor and that was that football had priced me out, not United but football, it made my decision to oppose Glazer a little easier but I will add that if my circumstances had been better I would STILL be where I am now, principles you see some have them others just don't.

 

[fredthered]

Well.... listen to them still!

FC United get less shit off the scousers..

THey have a better understanding of FC than most of this lot...

 

[northroad1878]

FC United get less shit off the scousers..

THey have a better understanding of FC than most of this lot...

Some of them, yeah. And some city too. Others(most) among them are still twats. citeh especially.

What I don't understand from our own is the blind ignorance to the simple fact that FC is all about the culture of Manchester United. And no, we're not living off the back of it, you dozy knobheads, we're still a part of it and looking to strengthen it as it withers on the vine, mostly becasue of people who have no idea that being loyal can mean that you CAN criticise and step backwards to go forwards.

But never mind, United have always been owned by businessmen so that's OK then.

 

[The Hairdryer]

"Look at me. I'm Northroad 1878, I'm such a big red I can't even take a compliment without handing out insults"

Redness meter reads 98%.

Just take the fecking compliment next time, cocktard.

 

[fredthered]

"Look at me. I'm Northroad 1878, I'm such a big red I can't even take a compliment without handing out insults"

Redness meter reads 98%.

Just take the fecking compliment next time, cocktard.

Being fair, he was also insulted by others too. ( not you I may hasten to add).

I think the point he and I are making, is there appears to be more willingness to understand FC United by fans of other teams. The people you would think would understand about it are in fact the ones who seem to have the biggest hang ups...

 

[mickthered]

As a "whoever else", and as we're indulging in a bit of backslapping, can I congratulate you right back on your efforts in aid of anglo-American relations. Top job. You've made our new owners very, very welcome.

[Applauds, but very, very slowly, with as much sarcasm as two hands hitting each other can muster]

may not agree with The Hairdryer most of the time on points about FC

But at least he is one of the few to offer constructive criticism most of the time instead of the inane comments of most others on here

Even though he may be against FC he at least shows some understanding of the situation whereas most of the others make comments not having a clue what they are talking about

I for one would rather read his mostly constructive comments rather then trawling through endless pages of bull sh1t from people without a clue

 

[fadas]

I think this is a most constructive thread and isn't just raking over the coals of a million others just like it over the past year.

 

[northroad1878]

"Look at me. I'm Northroad 1878, I'm such a big red I can't even take a compliment without handing out insults"

Redness meter reads 98%.

Just take the fecking compliment next time, cocktard.

That was a compliment? OK, thanks for that, scab.

It doesn't quite add up, does it? You were taking the piss. Again. Knob.

 

[The Hairdryer]

That was a compliment? OK, thanks for that, scab.

It doesn't quite add up, does it? You were taking the piss. Again. Knob.

Is there a bigger Red than this cnut?

 

[fadas]

Discreet pin badge of the original crest on the lapel of his plain black jacket?

 

[The Hairdryer]

I think this is a most constructive thread and isn't just raking over the coals of a million others just like it over the past year.

I never intended it go that way. I thought a lot of users on boths sides of the fence have grown out of the "us vs them" thing. Guess I was wrong.

 

[fadas]

No way will people ever grow out of that, mate.

That is civil war shit that will never be forgotten.

 

[The Hairdryer]

No way will people ever grow out of that, mate.

That is civil war shit that will never be forgotten.

A lot of users have. It's toned down a lot.

 

[fadas]

In every single thread on the subject, there are words exchanged between the usual factions.

Like in this one where everyone is saying they've moved on etc yet you're still arguing with the other bloke about the same things that were being argued about all year.