fadas said:
Where? I'm not arguing with him in this thread over anything to do with Glazer or FC United.
I just feel blessed to be in the presence of his uber-redness.
Where? I'm not arguing with him in this thread over anything to do with Glazer or FC United.
I just feel blessed to be in the presence of his uber-redness.
See, now you're having a dig again. 
And your original post wasn't entirely without a dig or two thrown in if you're being totally honest.
And your original post wasn't entirely without a dig or two thrown in if you're being totally honest.
How can anyone sit there and say they actually know what they're talking about. That the fans that moan about the 'deserters' don't know what they're saying. How patronizing are you? The planet we live on ain't full of dancing fairys and ghosts and fecking goblins. So I assume all fc united fans are kind souls with generous spirts. Bollocks. if the fans there think all their fans that support their cause are fecking angels then i'd recommend they stop smoking dope. The reality is what you guys preach isn't a new God, it's just a new curtain to hide behind
The only person I was having a dig at was VR. That's because he deserves it. The Splitters thing was a joke. Fred, Ladybarn and those lot get it. I call them Splitters and what not they call my Glazer Stooge and whatever. It's all in jest.fadas said:See, now you're having a dig again.
And your original post wasn't entirely without a dig or two thrown in if you're being totally honest.
Northroad doesn't post here enough, or long enough to understand.
I got the "Top Reds" board game for Christmas and haven't won a game yet. But you haven't got to be a top red to know that some people haven't got a cluedo. 
And hairdryer certainly hasn't got a monopoly on anti-fc bollocks on this board.
The internet has killed the board game. You don't have to turn up at any game at all and you can still say you played and pretend to be a top player. It's a joke.
And hairdryer certainly hasn't got a monopoly on anti-fc bollocks on this board.The internet has killed the board game. You don't have to turn up at any game at all and you can still say you played and pretend to be a top player. It's a joke.
northroad1878 said:I got the "Top Reds" board game for Christmas and haven't won a game yet. But you haven't got to be a top red to know that some people haven't got a cluedo.
The internet has killed the board game. You don't have to turn up at any game at all and you can still say you played and pretend to be a top player. It's a joke.
at the board game analogies. As for the Anonymity of the internet, it's a wonderful thing. I don't believe for a second though that all those 17 year girls I cybered with in the teeny chat room were in fact 17 year old, blonde beauties with DD racks. It was still fun though.Striker10, after reading that, and finally managing to make one iota of sense from it, let me respond, but hopefully in a manner that is a little simpler to understand.
FC United isnt a new god, never can be and never will be, but if you wish to use a religious analogy, you can put FC United as the Jesus.
Its one step down from the deity, an extension of the great lord, and one which preaches the same gospel to mortal man.
In short FC United is the cheap version of Man United. Its for those who cannot afford Man United, or indeed feel that God has placed himself beyond their reach.
The disciples ( ie the fans) want to worship the word of God, but sadly they feel he has deserted them, or is too distant for them to reach. Along comes Jesus ( FC United) and they have something positive that they can see as a sign of the great god himself ( Man United).
They dont follow god in person, they follow him though following Jesus, learning along the way about the preachings of God, when they pray, they pray to Jesus, asking him to sort out all the troubles of the world, safe in the knowledge that when the day of redemption comes, and the evils of the world ( Sky TV, Glazer, etc) have been banished, they will once again meet the great lord and sit at his right hand.
The prophets ( Gill, Anson etc) have the masses on their side, and through fear of being exposed as a sham and not preaching the true word of God, spread disillusionment about Jesus. Claiming him to be a traitor and not spreading the right word. The masses turn against Jesus, demanding his death. Preferring to free robbers instead. Under no circumstances can this "Jesus" be left to spread his vile teachings which so undermines the wondrous work of the prophets.
THe day comes and Jesus is killed. THe people are pleased. But God isnt happy and vents his frustration against the prophets and the people. How dare they harm his only son, sent to try and salvage the world from the evil that infests it. In his anger he threatens armageddon. No one will harm his son sent to rid the world of sin ( glazer) and the teaching of the false prophets who are not spreading the word of god, but actually preaching of an alternative god ( money )
Jesus rises once again, and the people realise that indeed this is in fact the love of God, sent to rid them of evil. They repent, they learn to love the son of god and through him reach the kingdom of heaven...
So there you go. I have used the religious theme to try and explain FC United.
Now go in peace brother, praise god, praise the son, and praise the holy ghost ( Busby). THe holy trinity will one day rule the earth and sin will be banished forever. Leaving a world of love, peace and tree hugging, with perhaps a little rampant sex if we are lucky...
FC United isnt a new god, never can be and never will be, but if you wish to use a religious analogy, you can put FC United as the Jesus.
Its one step down from the deity, an extension of the great lord, and one which preaches the same gospel to mortal man.
In short FC United is the cheap version of Man United. Its for those who cannot afford Man United, or indeed feel that God has placed himself beyond their reach.
The disciples ( ie the fans) want to worship the word of God, but sadly they feel he has deserted them, or is too distant for them to reach. Along comes Jesus ( FC United) and they have something positive that they can see as a sign of the great god himself ( Man United).
They dont follow god in person, they follow him though following Jesus, learning along the way about the preachings of God, when they pray, they pray to Jesus, asking him to sort out all the troubles of the world, safe in the knowledge that when the day of redemption comes, and the evils of the world ( Sky TV, Glazer, etc) have been banished, they will once again meet the great lord and sit at his right hand.
The prophets ( Gill, Anson etc) have the masses on their side, and through fear of being exposed as a sham and not preaching the true word of God, spread disillusionment about Jesus. Claiming him to be a traitor and not spreading the right word. The masses turn against Jesus, demanding his death. Preferring to free robbers instead. Under no circumstances can this "Jesus" be left to spread his vile teachings which so undermines the wondrous work of the prophets.
THe day comes and Jesus is killed. THe people are pleased. But God isnt happy and vents his frustration against the prophets and the people. How dare they harm his only son, sent to try and salvage the world from the evil that infests it. In his anger he threatens armageddon. No one will harm his son sent to rid the world of sin ( glazer) and the teaching of the false prophets who are not spreading the word of god, but actually preaching of an alternative god ( money )
Jesus rises once again, and the people realise that indeed this is in fact the love of God, sent to rid them of evil. They repent, they learn to love the son of god and through him reach the kingdom of heaven...
So there you go. I have used the religious theme to try and explain FC United.
Now go in peace brother, praise god, praise the son, and praise the holy ghost ( Busby). THe holy trinity will one day rule the earth and sin will be banished forever. Leaving a world of love, peace and tree hugging, with perhaps a little rampant sex if we are lucky...
Nice one Fred. Kind of you to spell out the analogy with notes for the hard of thinking loyalists too.
As for the rampant sex bit, count me in, but not with you if you really are a Fred and not a Freda.
BTW - That is still the gayest smiley I have ever seen, and it really doesn't do it for me.
As for the rampant sex bit, count me in, but not with you if you really are a Fred and not a Freda.
BTW -
That is still the gayest smiley I have ever seen, and it really doesn't do it for me. No, if you are using a christian religous theme man united are the holy catholic church that has been usurped by a corrupt pope and FC are the protestant church created by believers who want to distance themselves from the evil Borgias etc.
and fadas, you moan about people having a dig then say "discreet pin badge on black jacket" I wear exactly that so I can get into pubs and clubs in town after the match without hassle, nothing to do with uber redness so think before you type.
and fadas, you moan about people having a dig then say "discreet pin badge on black jacket" I wear exactly that so I can get into pubs and clubs in town after the match without hassle, nothing to do with uber redness so think before you type.
Sin - I was messing about. I have no axe to grind with the FC or MUFC crew. Chill out.
For the record I am a discreet pin badge person too.
For the record I am a discreet pin badge person too.
Ah but as your analogy agrees, both believe in the the one true god, albeit in different ways.sin65 said:
The god is still the same. Just the leaders of each church like to do it in different ways, believing each has their own perfect way of following the lord. As it happens the Catholics prefer to worship god through a medium, whereas the Protestants prefer to go direct to the main man himself...
To be honest i'm glad to see FC doing well and for those that have chosen to support them full time then fair enough, I know it must have been a difficult decision.
What i can't abide (and fair play there is lees of it here than anywhere else) is the i'm a better United fan because I couldn't carry on watching when Glazer bought the club. The whole oneupmanship bollocks does my head in. But like I said there is less of it here than on other boards
There seems to be a disregard for the whole commercialism that made United as big as it was in the 1990's and now any form of commercialism is down to the american owners, which of course is bollocks but it is easier to blame the new owner rather than the old one.
The way I looked at is that I support the team not the owners. I personally hated Martin Edwards but that didn't stop me supporting United. I didn't like the whole Plc thing and I certinaly don't like Glazer owning the club but the team on the pitch isn't responsibile for that and that is who i support
What i can't abide (and fair play there is lees of it here than anywhere else) is the i'm a better United fan because I couldn't carry on watching when Glazer bought the club. The whole oneupmanship bollocks does my head in. But like I said there is less of it here than on other boards
There seems to be a disregard for the whole commercialism that made United as big as it was in the 1990's and now any form of commercialism is down to the american owners, which of course is bollocks but it is easier to blame the new owner rather than the old one.
The way I looked at is that I support the team not the owners. I personally hated Martin Edwards but that didn't stop me supporting United. I didn't like the whole Plc thing and I certinaly don't like Glazer owning the club but the team on the pitch isn't responsibile for that and that is who i support
You seem to think the pomposity only comes from one direction.Looking Busy said:
Anti FC types are worse by far, IMO, with their claims of being more loyal than those of us who did the only thing that will hurt Glazer.
SOME FC fans might get high and mighty and claim to be taking a more righteous path, but then if they have done what they said they were going to do and are facing criticism from the same people they stood with last year singing the same songs, on the same demos, etc.. but those people are still feeding Glazer half a grand a year, then perhaps some of them really have been more honourable. Some of them are just pricks too, but not all of them. Some of them really would win the top reds board game (I'm taking out a copyright on that, I think).
But what the feck. Who cares. We're where we are and we do all support Manchester United, and no matter how much some dickhead behind a keyboard wants to say otherwise, that is ALL of us. I want United to win every game even though I'm not there anymore.
And yes, United was always run by businezzzzzz Sorry, I dropped off there at hearing that shitty excuse to do nothing for the 100th time this week. When will you stop rolling over for them then and do something to change that situation? The past is not an excuse. If you let the Glazers get away with this - and they are really taking the piss in getting us all to pay for them to own the club - then it's open house on United forever. Hey look over there, says the CEO of megacorp, that bunch of knobheads must like being fleeced, let's go there and do it again.
Actually, is that what Glazer and sons said before they took the plunge and bought us? Like you say, we've been abused for years and said nothing much.
northroad1878 said:
Most of the people watching FC can see it from both sides of the fence
Whereas there are only a few United fans Shane, Big Andy and a few others who can also see it both ways
A few have a clue and dont like the idea of FC fair enough thats up to them but at least they have some kind of understanding of the subject
But for some reason a lot still dont even have a clue yet still mouth it of
It's astounding really isn't it? I couldnt believe that lad the other day saying it was the first time he'd heard anyone saying why FC needed to happen and why we support it so strongly. Gobsmacked. Fair play I haven't seen him spouting off or owt like that but still, he just didn't know the facts after a whole year.
That same kind of ignorance mixed with a dickhead of a personality is where the anti FC stuff comes from I think.
There are a few knobs at FC but very few. You are there on principle or not there at all really. If you wanted non league for the sake of it then you always had Flixton, Trafford, Droysden, Alty, etc, etc... And then you wouldnt be singing Manchester United songs like we all do part of the time.
Anyway. I can't go to Germany so feck the lot of you.
That same kind of ignorance mixed with a dickhead of a personality is where the anti FC stuff comes from I think.
There are a few knobs at FC but very few. You are there on principle or not there at all really. If you wanted non league for the sake of it then you always had Flixton, Trafford, Droysden, Alty, etc, etc... And then you wouldnt be singing Manchester United songs like we all do part of the time.
Anyway. I can't go to Germany so feck the lot of you.
Me neither.. Sat at home/work thoroughly fecked off.northroad1878 said:Anyway. I can't go to Germany so feck the lot of you.
To rub salt in the wounds I have had a rather pissed up Redmanc7 on the phone tonight speaking frigging German ( in the loosest sense) and telling me how him and "no shoes" are going to be having the time of their lives...
BASTARD !!!!
With regards to those that tend to slag off FC United and the supporters, you tend to find those people are the ones who dont go to games, watch United on TV and arent affected by GLazer.
Those that go to matches and can see whats happening, appreciate FC United, and do actually understand the concerns. OK they might not feel FC United is their thing, and I can understand that.
What i cannot take is people who rarely go to OT, calling us traitors and just refusing to accept that OT isnt the place it was before. Yes United has always been a business. Yes there has always been a robbing cnut in charge, but that doesnt alter the fact its becoming too expensive to go, the club isnt interested in the fans, only the money they pay in, and more importantly the club has lost sight of the average working man who for many years kept United afloat, often paying money he couldnt afford.
United has changed, some of it for the better I admit, but the general matchday experience is becoming awful. Having credit cards, cash dash tickets, saving schemes, bank accounts, loans, insurance, corporate hospitality, hotel breaks, cafe meals, ice rinks, tacky merchandise, air flights, betting shops, photo printing facilities, and all the other non football related gumph thrust in your face every second. You cant move inside OT these days without someone wanting to get your signature for one thing or another.
Its all "GIVE US MONEY, GIVE US MONEY" and thats not the way United was. its never been like that before.
THose that dont go to OT regularly dont ever see that side of it. Its OK if you go an odd occasion and you get it, you can tolerate it, but to have it EVERY SINGLE GAME, it just pisses you off and makes you realise the club sees no difference between those that go every week and those that have just turned up for the day. As far as United are concerned every fan is there to be milked, to be bled dry, another source of revenue.
You try getting into OT without having someone offer you something to buy, to sign up for, a promotion EXCLUSIVE to Man United supporters.. You cant do it...
And much as how United like the money it really fecks fans off, because what the club dont understand is people cant afford it all the time, but they feel inclined to go along with it because it makes them "a true red"
Watch outside OT when the credit card people are handing out free gifts to anyone that signs up for their services. There are tens of dozens of people lining up to get their name on that list. According to the credit card salesmane, "YOU ARE HELPING UNITED". No you're not. You're paying through the nose for a credit card that you can get cheaper elsewhere, and believing somehow that credit card makes you a better red. It doesnt. It makes you a gullible cnut....
United dont care if you get into debt. They dont care if you feck up your credit history by signing up for a credit card you cant afford. As long as they get a nice juicy sponsorship cheque from the company they couldnt give two fecks what happens to the poor feckers who have played along with it. They dont care that the fans are being conned and ripped off.
Thats why those that never go to matches should be given every bit of abuse going if they slate FC United and their fans, because they will never ever know just what the fans who go to matches have to go through, just to see their team.
Some people can ignore all that. I cant. I go to Man United to watch the team, not line some banks pocket in order that I can walk off thinking I am a super duper top red because I have just opened an "EXCLUSIVE MANCHESTER UNITED SUPPORTERS " bank account with an interest rate of 0.0001 per annum.
I think it's shame when any Red looks down on another Red for any reason. Some supporters choose to paint their faces, wear jesters, and brand themselves in megastore merchandise for whatever reason, but I doubt it's to prove they are a "big red". I would say it's more to do with wanting to enjoy themselves and it's their way of adding a bit of "colour" to the atmosphere. For many of them, they probably can only afford to go to Old Trafford a handful of times a season, so they want to make the most of it. Which is understandable. If you didn't have the guidance of peers, or a father, or whoever else got you into United, do you think you'd act the way you do now? I doubt it, you'd probably wear your replica on the outside of your jumper or coat as well. For many of these new type fans.
I also think find it bizarre as there's lot of teenagers and young adults doing this, yet they still get the raith from RI type matchgoing fans, yet those RI types are the first one to whinge about the lack of supporters and how they are getting priced out. Why not just accept them as fellow reds and just educate them a bit. I also don't buy it that these kids and young adults are OOT'ers either. Manchester Boy admitted he and his friends act like that at games, and he also had the same stereo-typical views on FC United Supporters
The way Fred treated his brother in Cardiff is a perfect example. So what if finding a cheap, disgarded flag was the best part of his day? Why not take the time to educate him a bit and work on him? Instead in your own words it was the last time you'd take him to see United.
Educate don't berate.
I also think find it bizarre as there's lot of teenagers and young adults doing this, yet they still get the raith from RI type matchgoing fans, yet those RI types are the first one to whinge about the lack of supporters and how they are getting priced out. Why not just accept them as fellow reds and just educate them a bit. I also don't buy it that these kids and young adults are OOT'ers either. Manchester Boy admitted he and his friends act like that at games, and he also had the same stereo-typical views on FC United Supporters
The way Fred treated his brother in Cardiff is a perfect example. So what if finding a cheap, disgarded flag was the best part of his day? Why not take the time to educate him a bit and work on him? Instead in your own words it was the last time you'd take him to see United.
Educate don't berate.
Theres a massive difference between going to games to enjoy it and making yourself look very very stupid.
United fans are labelled "muppets" by the entire world virtually. Seeing some grown up bloke in a pair of bermudas, wearing a jester hat, and having "I love ronaldo" on the back of his shirt does very little to quell that myth.
Football isnt about going to make a spectacle of yourself, or to draw attention to yourself, just to maybe get noticed by a TV camera.
The enjoyment should come from being part of a large crowd, watching the team and joining in. If you have to get dressed up in a stupid outfit just to enjoy a football game then theres something seriously wrong. If I want to get dressed up like a twat, I will go to a fancy dress party. Going to a football game dressed as a pantomime horse makes you look silly, and far from making you feel part of the crowd you actually stand out from the crowd, and you then isolate yourself from the rest who are there solely for the football.
You mention my brother. The reason I felt so embarassed was because he acted like a child When he found out Giggs might not be playing he changed his top to one with the name of a player who might be playing. That is something you expect a lovesick teenager to do. Not a man in his mid twenties with three children.....
His biggest moment of the day.. He found a flag... Jesus wept, United has just battered the geordies into submission, and he wasnt that bothered. THe fact he found a United flag was just tops to him. He might as well not have bothered going to the game. I would have bought him a bloody flag and left him in the car. The most important thing to him wasnt the football, it wasnt seeing United, it was a poxy flag... How do you think I felt. People were dying to get hold of tickets for that game. People who would go and appreciate United and their win. To get my brother a ticket and him be more interested in a flag is kicking those that would get behind the team, right in the bollocks.
Football is not a trip out to the circus. The players arent like clowns, there to provide entertainment and raise the odd laugh. Its a serious thing, its not something to be trivialised and made to look like a group of pissed up Uni students on a hen night. If you cant take the game seriously, and need to turn it into something that people laugh at, then you shouldnt be there at all.
Anyone who turns up at a match and draws attention to themselves by wearing stupid items of tacky merchandise, and adds to the myth that United fans are muppets who dont actually appreciate the game of football, deserves to be berated. You cant educate them because they are clearly too fecking thick in the first place.
Kids, yes let them have a bit of fun. Let them paint their faces, I can understand that, but in time educate them about the game, let them go on to appreciate football for what it is. Adults in jester hats, with painted faces and the like shouldnt need to be told.
As I say football isnt a fun day out.. Its not a trip to Alton Towers or the fair. Its got a far more serious side to it, and people trivialising that only wreck things for those that do actually want to appreciate football.
United fans are labelled "muppets" by the entire world virtually. Seeing some grown up bloke in a pair of bermudas, wearing a jester hat, and having "I love ronaldo" on the back of his shirt does very little to quell that myth.
Football isnt about going to make a spectacle of yourself, or to draw attention to yourself, just to maybe get noticed by a TV camera.
The enjoyment should come from being part of a large crowd, watching the team and joining in. If you have to get dressed up in a stupid outfit just to enjoy a football game then theres something seriously wrong. If I want to get dressed up like a twat, I will go to a fancy dress party. Going to a football game dressed as a pantomime horse makes you look silly, and far from making you feel part of the crowd you actually stand out from the crowd, and you then isolate yourself from the rest who are there solely for the football.
You mention my brother. The reason I felt so embarassed was because he acted like a child When he found out Giggs might not be playing he changed his top to one with the name of a player who might be playing. That is something you expect a lovesick teenager to do. Not a man in his mid twenties with three children.....
His biggest moment of the day.. He found a flag... Jesus wept, United has just battered the geordies into submission, and he wasnt that bothered. THe fact he found a United flag was just tops to him. He might as well not have bothered going to the game. I would have bought him a bloody flag and left him in the car. The most important thing to him wasnt the football, it wasnt seeing United, it was a poxy flag... How do you think I felt. People were dying to get hold of tickets for that game. People who would go and appreciate United and their win. To get my brother a ticket and him be more interested in a flag is kicking those that would get behind the team, right in the bollocks.
Football is not a trip out to the circus. The players arent like clowns, there to provide entertainment and raise the odd laugh. Its a serious thing, its not something to be trivialised and made to look like a group of pissed up Uni students on a hen night. If you cant take the game seriously, and need to turn it into something that people laugh at, then you shouldnt be there at all.
Anyone who turns up at a match and draws attention to themselves by wearing stupid items of tacky merchandise, and adds to the myth that United fans are muppets who dont actually appreciate the game of football, deserves to be berated. You cant educate them because they are clearly too fecking thick in the first place.
Kids, yes let them have a bit of fun. Let them paint their faces, I can understand that, but in time educate them about the game, let them go on to appreciate football for what it is. Adults in jester hats, with painted faces and the like shouldnt need to be told.
As I say football isnt a fun day out.. Its not a trip to Alton Towers or the fair. Its got a far more serious side to it, and people trivialising that only wreck things for those that do actually want to appreciate football.
I doubt they are too thick, very much doubt. You are products of your enviroment. If a jester hat wearing fan got into United the same way you did, started hanging round the same mates etc, and vice versa, he'd be the one in here whinging, and you'd be the one wearing bermudas.fredthered said:
With respect, mate, I think you're off on why we needed a change at MUFC rather than why we needed FCUM, let alone why some hate FCUM.
But I agree 100% that it's become a joke. There's nothing wrong with making a bit of cash for your club whoever you are, including FC, but when it becomes the sole reason it exists for the owners then something is badly wrong. And, what the "we were always owned by businessmen" people seem to miss is that we were not always owned by the type of people who own us now.
These people do not care one little bit, unlike owners from the past. Not that I want to paint the past too rosy, but even Martin Edwards cared a bit at the start, though obviously not enough as he started the rot that led to us being available to the glazers. And those cnuts are in it for absolutely nothing but money and that is not what a football club should be about.
"They need a successful team to make money". Do they feck. Maybe they need an air of normality for a year or two till they get over the worst of the debt repayments and refinance in some way, but then they can fall back into the comfort zone and enjoy having a football club that other people paid for as United don't push that hard, and struggle on with bargain signings and nearly talent, all the time paying the rest of the debt that will be put on us. We could be like Liverpool in the nineties or us in the eighties. And then the knobs will turn to "we had bad times before, we were bound to have them again someday. It's not the owners' fault". Yeah, but I'd rather not have them if possible and that next blank period will be worse because we'll be spending our money (OUR money, not the Glazers') on debt repayments rather than players.
And then eventually the Glazers can feck off with a tidy little sum and leave us with the balance of the debt. Wankers. And that goes for everyone that believes them and goes along with it too.
It comes down to how much do you let them take the piss out of you. We all took it getting worse through the nineties because they were amazing times and we got carried away and it was easy to forget, but my limit has just passed with the arrival of the glazercunts and I thank god someone formed a Manchester United supporters' football club to give me something to do until I can go back to Old Trafford, as it keeps the United spirit burning strong.
And when I say go back, I mean feel able to go back. I reckon Premiershit football will be beyond me soon anyway and I won't ever be back for as many games as in the past. FC is just as much a part of United for me anyway, but it'd be nice to have big United once a month say and FC the other three weekends.
Why do people hate FC? Discounting the dickheads who just spout shite on an internet forum while they download an album because they just love "Man Utd" but haven't got either a clue or a brain to work it in if they had, I believe that the good reds who don't get FC think they're being loyal to MUFC in a very basic way and that FC is another club rather than a part of the United family which it is for us. But unless they're doing something else to fight the Glazers, they're just harming big United by letting all I have rambled about in the above paragraphs happen. And they're wrong about the way WE feel about Manchester United. My heart is still there and I think, no I KNOW, that the vast majority of people feel the same.
FC and big United could be a dream link up in the future if people would stop the bollocks. MUFC ruling the roost at the top and FC as a real community link working for the parent club, both as a feeder for the playing team possibly and as an outlet for supporters who are priced out of the main club. It could really be like that if we could bring down the Glazers and MUST got some kind of proper stake in MUFC. Alright, that's a bit of fantasy, but still, the two can still go hand in hand on an unofficial basis. FC makes United's supporter base stronger and that is a fact. We sing the songs, the kids learn, Manchester United gains and they don't grow up blue. Do they turn out MUFC red, that's the thing? We want them to and my kids WILL, but think of how the FC kids will see United based on the words of the dickheads who call us all traitors. The knobheads are pushing them away.
BTW, I don't blame people for not wanting to believe all that as it's all very gloomy when you think of the business side, and it really does seem like the end of the world to consider not going to watch United, but I truly believe it to be a likely scenario for the next few years and that is why I am now at FC and not Old Trafford - the Glazers needs to be stopped and this is the only way I can help achieve that. We need football for everyone and not those rich enough to afford £500 STs and MUFC won't ever provide that again. And FC's crowds are the realest sign that any United fans are doing something about our club. A few thousand people in one place every week speaks volumes for me and to the world. We won't be fecked around and we care about our own. And FC is also so good that taking what I saw as a painful action in staying away has turned out to be the best time I've had at football since the mid eighties.
Two Uniteds but the soul is one.
NR1878 signing off on a big feck off rant. Hope it makes some sense to someone.
But I agree 100% that it's become a joke. There's nothing wrong with making a bit of cash for your club whoever you are, including FC, but when it becomes the sole reason it exists for the owners then something is badly wrong. And, what the "we were always owned by businessmen" people seem to miss is that we were not always owned by the type of people who own us now.
These people do not care one little bit, unlike owners from the past. Not that I want to paint the past too rosy, but even Martin Edwards cared a bit at the start, though obviously not enough as he started the rot that led to us being available to the glazers. And those cnuts are in it for absolutely nothing but money and that is not what a football club should be about.
"They need a successful team to make money". Do they feck. Maybe they need an air of normality for a year or two till they get over the worst of the debt repayments and refinance in some way, but then they can fall back into the comfort zone and enjoy having a football club that other people paid for as United don't push that hard, and struggle on with bargain signings and nearly talent, all the time paying the rest of the debt that will be put on us. We could be like Liverpool in the nineties or us in the eighties. And then the knobs will turn to "we had bad times before, we were bound to have them again someday. It's not the owners' fault". Yeah, but I'd rather not have them if possible and that next blank period will be worse because we'll be spending our money (OUR money, not the Glazers') on debt repayments rather than players.
And then eventually the Glazers can feck off with a tidy little sum and leave us with the balance of the debt. Wankers. And that goes for everyone that believes them and goes along with it too.
It comes down to how much do you let them take the piss out of you. We all took it getting worse through the nineties because they were amazing times and we got carried away and it was easy to forget, but my limit has just passed with the arrival of the glazercunts and I thank god someone formed a Manchester United supporters' football club to give me something to do until I can go back to Old Trafford, as it keeps the United spirit burning strong.
And when I say go back, I mean feel able to go back. I reckon Premiershit football will be beyond me soon anyway and I won't ever be back for as many games as in the past. FC is just as much a part of United for me anyway, but it'd be nice to have big United once a month say and FC the other three weekends.
Why do people hate FC? Discounting the dickheads who just spout shite on an internet forum while they download an album because they just love "Man Utd" but haven't got either a clue or a brain to work it in if they had, I believe that the good reds who don't get FC think they're being loyal to MUFC in a very basic way and that FC is another club rather than a part of the United family which it is for us. But unless they're doing something else to fight the Glazers, they're just harming big United by letting all I have rambled about in the above paragraphs happen. And they're wrong about the way WE feel about Manchester United. My heart is still there and I think, no I KNOW, that the vast majority of people feel the same.
FC and big United could be a dream link up in the future if people would stop the bollocks. MUFC ruling the roost at the top and FC as a real community link working for the parent club, both as a feeder for the playing team possibly and as an outlet for supporters who are priced out of the main club. It could really be like that if we could bring down the Glazers and MUST got some kind of proper stake in MUFC. Alright, that's a bit of fantasy, but still, the two can still go hand in hand on an unofficial basis. FC makes United's supporter base stronger and that is a fact. We sing the songs, the kids learn, Manchester United gains and they don't grow up blue. Do they turn out MUFC red, that's the thing? We want them to and my kids WILL, but think of how the FC kids will see United based on the words of the dickheads who call us all traitors. The knobheads are pushing them away.
BTW, I don't blame people for not wanting to believe all that as it's all very gloomy when you think of the business side, and it really does seem like the end of the world to consider not going to watch United, but I truly believe it to be a likely scenario for the next few years and that is why I am now at FC and not Old Trafford - the Glazers needs to be stopped and this is the only way I can help achieve that. We need football for everyone and not those rich enough to afford £500 STs and MUFC won't ever provide that again. And FC's crowds are the realest sign that any United fans are doing something about our club. A few thousand people in one place every week speaks volumes for me and to the world. We won't be fecked around and we care about our own. And FC is also so good that taking what I saw as a painful action in staying away has turned out to be the best time I've had at football since the mid eighties.
Two Uniteds but the soul is one.
NR1878 signing off on a big feck off rant. Hope it makes some sense to someone.
Can you point me to ONE environment in life where you, as an adult, can go about painting your face, putting on a silly hat and acting like a girl at a "take that" concert, without you being challenged as to your mental status ?The Hairdryer said:
Walk into ANY pub dressed like that, and see what happens. how long do you suppose you would go without someone saying "what the feck do you look like".
Why do people need to be different when they are at a football game, than they would otherwise be. What would your mates say if you had arranged a night out on the town, few beers pull the odd woman, and you turned up dressed like that. Do you think they would see it as just a bit of fun ? You would be sat on your own with everyone looking at you thinking "you stupid twat". Even your mates would say it.
THere are times where being a bit stupid is acceptable, where being outrageous and looking silly can be acceptable. Maybe a stag night, a works piss up, a fancy dress party. Football isnt one of those times. And anyone who thinks that turning up to a game is just a laugh, a bit of fun, doesnt deserve to be there at all. If they cant see what football is about, and what the point of being there is, then they arent fans of football, and if they arent fans of football, they cant be a supporter of the team.
In your opinion though. In someone elses, the football may be the perfect opportunity to go nuts.
I admit a pantomine horse is a bit over top. Has anyone actually done that?
I admit a pantomine horse is a bit over top. Has anyone actually done that?
I see what you are saying, and alot I agree with, but most reds who go to games, might not agree with what FCUM is about, they might even disagree with the ideals of it, but at least they can empathise with what the FC United fans are saying, because they see it themselves.northroad1878 said:
Most of the bile about FCUM, including "traitors", "splitters" "glory hunters" is done by people who dont go to games.
If a red who went to games were to call me a traitor, and justify why he called me that, then I could maybe see where he is coming from. BUt for someone whos never seen OT to call me that, well thats when I rear up and start getting wound up..
THe worst thing that really really pisses me off, is that certain people think FCUM is out to destroy Man United. Thats an absolute joke. You dont set out to destroy something you later want to go back to. Yes you want it changing, yes you want it to be what it was before, but theres no way any fan would want Man United to cease to exist in its entirity just to prove a point.
I want Glazer to fail, I want him to feck up royally. Thats not to say I want United to be killed off to do it. But I am not naiive enough to think that by getting rid of GLazer it wont hurt United. Of course its going to harm United, but then again it harmed United the day GLazer walked in, and if left to it, he will harm United even more, so by my reckoning, the clubs going to be damaged anyhow, its choosing the option that you feel does the least damage to United in the long term, and if people look at United in the long term, Glazer stopping where he is, poses more of a risk to United than 3000 people boycotting. Even if that number were to rise to 50,000 that still wouldnt pose as much of a risk to United as Glazer.
Every FCUM fan has a different opinion on what they want. On what they see as the best way forward, and so does every United supporter. Each will fight their case according to their beliefs. That I think is great, but what I cannot abide is people who dont actually know the other side of the coin, making judgements based on beliefs they dont actually put into practise themselves.
I have been a United supporter for nigh on 33 years. I have been a FCUM supporter since very early on. I know what both sides are about. I have experienced it. LIkewise I respect ANY Man United fan if they say "I tried it, but it just wasnt what I think I want". Great, at least you had a look, gained an insight, and made the effort. For those that havent been, dont want to go and just refuse ever to go, well they are just wankers. I didnt like Pizza as a kid. I had never tried it, but the idea wasnt my cup of tea. Now you stick a 12" deep pan in front of me and see what happens.
People should judge FC United on its merits, and their experiences of it. If they dont like it, fair enough, but as the old saying goes. Dont knock it till you have tried it..
Appararantly someone was on the Stretford dressed up as a chicken the other day.. I KID YOU NOT...The Hairdryer said:In your opinion though. In someone elses, the football may be the perfect opportunity to go nuts.
I admit a pantomine horse is a bit over top. Has anyone actually done that?
I am not saying people shouldnt make the day out enjoyable. In fact thats what its all about, but what enjoyment can wearing a Jester hat bring. What does that hat do to enhance the day. I just dont see that having a hat on your head will make you sing louder, or get pissed easier. Theres no purpose for it, no need for it.
I fail to see how anyone can turn up and expect to find that what they wear will enhance their day.
If they want colour, take a scarf, take a banner, wear a team shirt, but make it relevant to the team. If I said I am going to wear an item of clothing that represents what I think of United, and turned up in a Jester hat, what would you think my implication was..
United isnt a joke, its not something to deride or make into a laughing stock. SUrely you must understand where I am coming from.
Yes have fun, but not at the expense of United or your fellow supporters. Show the world you take it seriously.
I mean, can you ever imagine Tony O'Neill turning up to meet the Liverpool mob in Stanley Park wearing a Jesters hat.... Sorry that thought just reduces me to fits of laughter....
"come on then you scouse cnuts lets have it"
"Lads lads like larr.. Better not mess with this geezer, he looks dead 'ard and e's got one of them there Jester hat thngies.. Lets scarpers lads"
fredthered said:Appararantly someone was on the Stretford dressed up as a chicken the other day.. I KID YOU NOT...
I mean, can you ever imagine Tony O'Neill turning up to meet the Liverpool mob in Stanley Park wearing a Jesters hat.... Sorry that thought just reduces me to fits of laughter....
"come on then you scouse cnuts lets have it"
"Lads lads like larr.. Better not mess with this geezer, he looks dead 'ard and e's got one of them there Jester hat thngies.. Lets scarpers lads"
Read about the chicken thing too, apparantly got a lot of stick. The image of a bunch of black-clad lads with jester hats bouncing up and down in Stanley park.
BTW since you mentioned acting foolish at footbal. Seen some photos of congas at Giggs Lane, what's the reception been from the rest of the crowd?
I thought you said that going to matches wasn't about football but going with your fellow supporters. You can't force what your idea of proper fun to other people. And since when United fans care about what other supporters think?fredthered said:
Also, you always banging about how fun it is watching FC United, and yet you can say that football isn't a fun day out. Honestly, for me as long as fans contribute to the atmosphere by singing their heart out, I don't really care whether they wear jester hats or fecking bahama shirt.
The reason why people have such a downer on the "Jester hat brigade" is simple stereotyping over the years these have tended to be the people who only go once a year etc,cant get to their seats due to being laden down with shopping, never sing and start moaning when people around them try to start singing
Generally these people mostly dont add to the atmosphere even though looking at them you would think it would be the other way round
What I dont understand is that if these people can go to a game dressed like that why the feck do they get embarrassed at a bit of singing
Maybe when the jesters hats etc came out and these people added to the atmosphere in the first place no one would be that bothered about them now
Jesters hats have just now become synonymous with sky,numpties and all the rest
Any how cant stay for long have to pack a bag anyone want anything bringing back from Germany
Generally these people mostly dont add to the atmosphere even though looking at them you would think it would be the other way round
What I dont understand is that if these people can go to a game dressed like that why the feck do they get embarrassed at a bit of singing
Maybe when the jesters hats etc came out and these people added to the atmosphere in the first place no one would be that bothered about them now
Jesters hats have just now become synonymous with sky,numpties and all the rest
Any how cant stay for long have to pack a bag anyone want anything bringing back from Germany
mickthered said:The reason why people have such a downer on the "Jester hat brigade" is simple stereotyping over the years these have tended to be the people who only go once a year etc,cant get to their seats due to being laden down with shopping, never sing and start moaning when people around them try to start singing
Generally these people mostly dont add to the atmosphere even though looking at them you would think it would be the other way round
What I dont understand is that if these people can go to a game dressed like that why the feck do they get embarrassed at a bit of singing
Maybe when the jesters hats etc came out and these people added to the atmosphere in the first place no one would be that bothered about them now
Jesters hats have just now become synonymous with sky,numpties and all the rest
Any how cant stay for long have to pack a bag anyone want anything bringing back from Germany
I think with most of them it's a case of them not knowing the words. Simple songs like United, United, United seems to invoke a greater response from those sorts of supporters.
Thanks mick, nice reply.
I admit that is new information for me. Because my perception of people dressing up in football matches was forged by watching crowds in World Cups or Euro, where I think these kind of supporters were the loud ones.
I admit that is new information for me. Because my perception of people dressing up in football matches was forged by watching crowds in World Cups or Euro, where I think these kind of supporters were the loud ones.
The Hairdryer said:
Fair enough not knowing the words but how long does it take to pick them up
My daughters only five and even she can pick them up after only hearing a song once or twice
Its the dirty looks you get from them if you start singing
Or
Even telling you to shut up
It only really started over here with the onset of all seated stadiums and Sky tvreelworld said:
It has brought more families into the game but it has also brought in lots of "Money People" who will just go and watch the game because they think its the in thing to do these people treat the game as a normal fan would treat going to the pictures go along every now and again sit there watch the film and thats it ontill they have a spare couple of hours to whlle away before going to another game or maybe finding time if its a big game
The congas got met with a rousing rendition of "thatst the worse fecking conga ever seen"maged said:Read about the chicken thing too, apparantly got a lot of stick. The image of a bunch of black-clad lads with jester hats bouncing up and down in Stanley park.
BTW since you mentioned acting foolish at footbal. Seen some photos of congas at Giggs Lane, what's the reception been from the rest of the crowd?
Just my reaction.wancolos said:vR?