Foxbatt
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Bloody South bloody Gate!
Bloody South bloody Gate!
A 1 níl win over an ageing Croatia and a lucky 0 - 0 against Scotland suggest otherwise. Italy have beaten Turkey & Switzerland 3 - 0.Kane, Grealish, Sancho, Rashford, Foden, Sterling etc in attack.
Good defence and decent midfield (better options on the bench).
Should be miles better than this. Better squad than Italy and they control games, press like animals, look dangerous in attack.
Difference is calibre of coaches, even with worse players.
'he combines the frictionless skate of Lionel Messi with the aggressive bounce of Diego Maradona – his uniqueness is what makes him special.' Guardian article talking about Foden. Ridiculous and standard vastly overrating of young English players.
Based on that description he's not even a human. He's a giant ball on a skate board.'he combines the frictionless skate of Lionel Messi with the aggressive bounce of Diego Maradona – his uniqueness is what makes him special.' Guardian article talking about Foden. Ridiculous and standard vastly overrating of young English players.
you are kidding right? How many of these English players can start for Germany? Harry Kane on form and full backs. That’s if they don’t play Kimmich there.How does Portugal, Germany and Italy have better starting 11's?
Whoa. Come on, that's not cool (last sentence obviously, don't know how to bold a quote...)Errh it's so obvious, Southgate is to be held responsible for the teams bad performance and rightly so. there's something off about his face, clueless as some have pointed out it's so easy to dislike him, It put the image of someone who narrowly escaped down syndrome.
Don’t feel very strongly in either direction about this debate but would you say that Sancho outperforms Gnabry based on domestic league performances ? Most premier league watchers would put Grealish and Foden ahead of Werner and Possibly Havertzyou are kidding right? How many of these English players can start for Germany? Harry Kane on form and full backs. That’s if they don’t play Kimmich there.
Portugal? Probably few since Ronaldo play as a CF. Portugal has Bernardo Silva, Fernandez, Jota, Felix . I don’t know which English player you are going to squeeze here. Maybe CB but I doubt replaying Fonte with Maguire is much of an upgrade. Fullbacks definitely but if Cancelo was there then the margin isn’t that big.
The added benefit of the above mentioned teams is Chemistry.
I think he's right. You could just as easily flip the question and ask how many of those countries' players would get into England's best 11? Kroos and Kimmich from Germany, possibly Neuer.you are kidding right? How many of these English players can start for Germany? Harry Kane on form and full backs. That’s if they don’t play Kimmich there.
Portugal? Probably few since Ronaldo play as a CF. Portugal has Bernardo Silva, Fernandez, Jota, Felix . I don’t know which English player you are going to squeeze here. Maybe CB but I doubt replaying Fonte with Maguire is much of an upgrade. Fullbacks definitely but if Cancelo was there then the margin isn’t that big.
The added benefit of the above mentioned teams is Chemistry.
SkyBet had them as second favourites to win it behind France.What? I have never seen anyone rate Southgate or suggest he’s a good manager?
how can he be overrated????
I hate this cynical reimagining of reality when England are in a tournament drives me crazy.
1. nobody rates Southgate...so he is not overrated.
2. England are not “overhyped” nobody I’ve spoken to considers England capable of winning the tournament.
I'd say the entire media machine rates Southgate. He's generally praised all round by them.What? I have never seen anyone rate Southgate or suggest he’s a good manager?
how can he be overrated????
I hate this cynical reimagining of reality when England are in a tournament drives me crazy.
1. nobody rates Southgate...so he is not overrated.
2. England are not “overhyped” nobody I’ve spoken to considers England capable of winning the tournament.
Portugal ? Let’s see Bernardo Silva, Fernandez, Ronaldo, Diaz, Felix, Cancello he’ll even Moutinho will get in the English team. As for Germany Kimmich, Muller, Gundogan, Kroos, Gorentzka, Neuer, Hummels. Not sure about how you feel about Rudiger vs StonesI think he's right. You could just as easily flip the question and ask how many of those countries' players would get into England's best 11? Kroos and Kimmich from Germany, possibly Neuer.
Ronaldo and Fernandes from Portugal. Italy is more difficult to say because they have a very good manager and a very strong spine, I think the way they play is less reliant on individuals.
England should be able to mix it with any of them based on talent though. There's one or two positions England are slightly lacking in but it's other factors like tournament experience or the manager which are likely to let us down.
I don't understand this. How can Portugal not be above England, I have them above are at the same level than France.SkyBet had them as second favourites to win it behind France.
It's based betting patterns. Is it so perplexing that English fans have a flutter on their team to win? It doesn't mean much beyond English being hopeful and patriotic.I don't understand this. How can Portugal not be above England, I have them above are at the same level than France.
I know there are people on here who will hate me for this, or accuse me of having an agenda, but it does remind me of Ole tbh.
Not got the best team to work with, but at the same timedoesn’t utilise what he has to it’s full potential.
safety first, no plan B.
So they don't want to win money? I understand it even less.It's based betting patterns. Is it so perplexing that English fans have a flutter on their team to win? It doesn't mean much beyond English being hopeful and patriotic.
Surprised that you don't know this but the gambling industry only exists because of the irrationality of the individual. How many Scots do you think had a flutter on their team to win last night even though the odds were against it? To some it enhances the experience. If you team takes an unlikely win then the extra cash in the pocket makes it all the more sweeter. Put it this way, I don't know a single England fan in my real life that thinks England will win this tournament. Obviously there are some out there that may genuinely think it but I don't know a single one.So they don't want to win money? I understand it even less.